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brotherjericho
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How well do you speak Chinese?
starcraftguy1988
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Hey Guys, So I am in the ultimate quandary that many of you have found yourselves in, and many will discover for themselves. Which LED to go with when deciding to buy a setup for a grow room. So to start, my budget is 1600 dollars. Id really like to get the best lights for the price, but id like to end the day with roughly 1000watts of led juice. I have been talking with CIDLY(Apollo manufacturers) for a week now, as well as Eshine(advanced diamond series manufacturers) and Its looking like although they seem to be great products at a better price. I want an American company I can use my credit card with that has a balls deep warranty and an outstanding product. So far I have Come across the guys At Area51 led, And Im trying my best to get jeff to work with me on a long term deal where I get four upfront and then more later once the product has proven. The light is the SG160 I believe and it uses white and red leds exclusively, there are some grows with them and they were quite impressive. Anyone got a better light at a better rate? please inform me and let me know if im taking a good path with these folks.
Chronikool
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Wondering where you got too! Well done bruv...it just gets better!
hyroot
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This is the only Chinese I know. I don't know if I spelled it correctly. Its been a minute.How well do you speak Chinese?
Qù tā mā de yītóu sǐ niú means go fuck a dead cow. Their way of saying fuck off (not directed at anyone)
Wǒ de guāng bǐ nǐ de hǎo means my light is is better than yours.
tags420
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If I smoke enough I can sure look Chinese...hahaHow well do you speak Chinese?
djwimbo
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For $1600, you'll get 3x SGS-160's, which should fill a 4x4 well, or up to a 4x5 area. Each has a core coverage of 2x3ft, or up to 3x3ft each. They use 4000K Whites, and 630nm Reds, and all of them are CREE 5W Diodes. ~465watts
The Cidly/Apollo's will work, but there's a lot of support for A51 here.
$1600 would also get you 4x California Light Works SF200's. ~640watts
Or 2x CLW SF400's ... 365W each in flowering mode + UVB bulbs. ~730watts
$1620 buys a BlackDogLED BD700-U - ~595W, but I'd almost rather have 4x Micro's @ 135W each. Either way, the IR/UV is not "necessary" IMHO.
$1375 buys a LumiGrow 650, which I'd be rather jealous of. 650W, and you can spend the rest on supplemental lighting or other BS.
I'm assuming that you are looking at LEDs for some combination of lower operating costs and heat reduction in the grow room. The quality of LEDs varies GREATLY. Higher quality LEDs (and drivers, etc because the whole build counts) means more light on spectrum for less watts (less cost, less heat). If you have high quality LEDs and have good coverage, you can grow good flower with as little as 20 - 25 watts per ft2 and with avg to low quality you can be looking at 40+ watts/ft2 and still not be looking at good buds/growth. I'm not saying that more light isn't better but think more light and not more watts because in the LED world those two metrics correspond only very roughly.
Area 51 proudly tells you Cree XPG and XPE...right up front in the advertisement...and he gives umol measurements! which is really the BEST metric to compare LEDs for growing. The best LEDs out there are Cree ,Philips and Osram/Oslon. Cidly and Eshine products aren't bad but if you are really wanting low operating costs and low heat then go for the area 51. The only way that I think that you would do better is to diy (if you are handy).
....and you are better off with multiple small panels or if you go with one or two large panels, you'll need a light mover to get the coverage that you need. Whatever any manufacturer tells you, LED fixtures do not work well as point sources of light; they grow well pretty much what they are directly over and a few inches to the side so keep that in mind.
...and I agree with djwimbo on UV/IR - I pass. WebRep
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hyroot
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Hey guys if you want uv and ir. Get some single or 2 bulb t5. Add some wave point coral waves . I'd say 1 bulb every 2-3 ft.
http://www.wave-point.com/images/LampMain2_enlarge.jpg
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PetFlora
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If you are asking about the Coral Wave, it fits standard HOT5 fixture. I use 1/6 or 2/8 in my 8 bulb Bad Boy
Looking for some suggestions for lights.
Dimensions of grow space:
L40cm[16in] x W48cm[19in] x H50cm[20in]
I would like to spend less than USD$200 but could stretch a little further for the right light.
Also any places that do international shipping of LED lights would be great as I live outside of EU/US/CA
Thanks,
M.
Dimensions of grow space:
L40cm[16in] x W48cm[19in] x H50cm[20in]
I would like to spend less than USD$200 but could stretch a little further for the right light.
Also any places that do international shipping of LED lights would be great as I live outside of EU/US/CA
Thanks,
M.
multipass
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I think the only light that *almost* fits your budget is the hans panel..
If not that then you're looking at LED bulbs, unless you spend much more
starcraftguy1988
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Thanks for that, Yeah I wont lie, Ive emailed every manufacturer/reseller that I found worthwhile(minus Lumigrow,) and right now ive got about 3 of the 10 or so picked; Indagrow, California lightworks, Area 51, . Id like to have a lumigrow, but they are so fucking expensive and theres not a lot of grows out there with them, Not to say that I'm doubting the all powerful lumigrow, but id rather have like 5 of the 200 watt Solar Flares (3 bloom booster,2 fullcycle) from california light works. Is black dog really all that? they honestly look like a reseller, who charges outrageous prices for ebay lights, I could be so far off, but that's how they appear to me. I actually started this conquest so proud of myself to have found the best manufacturer in china, selling lights on ebay..... a few days later I was enlightened! So honestly lets compare the stats, Im hoping cali lightworks will make the deal for 5 of the 200s, if not then my options are looking like, 4 of the sg160s, as jeff will hook it up. 2 of the Par Pro 420(indagrow) Not sure if they will work a sweet deal, but that would be awesome, any comments on Induction vs led? Yeah its looking like a better idea to try and get a deal from one company than to try several different lights from multiple companies. So long as said company is a proven provider of high quality Lights with a good warranty to boot. Also, on a different note, I live in an illegal state for any dealings with marijuana= EZ $$$/Prison Sentence, But I'm westward bound in a few months, Any one know any good areas in CO or CA that are semi low-key for growing as in people aren't getting raided every week, month etc..... My main goal is to provide copious quantities of gooey buds and maybe one day provide KB for a dispensary if that's even legal anymore. Let me know of your awesome areas! and tell me what you think the best light scenario up there is. I'm buying soon!
starcraftguy1988
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Ok so its down to California Light works Or area 51; 4-5 200w solarflares vs 4 sg160's What do you pick? lets assume its only 4 of either, because if I can get the deal for 5 solarflares then I'm taking that road. But to assume I can only get 4 of either light, which are gonna perform better, I personally like the track record of CLW, but have heard great things about sg160. Pipe in if you have an opinion on the matter
I would go with newer tech, upfront Cree LEDs and company that provides me valid comparison info like umol - area51. CLW is decent and you wouldn't have wasted your money.
I tend to prefer to deal with companies that try NO obfuscation like giving theoretical watts instead of real ones..e.g. the SGS-160 is about 155 (so about 160) flower power watts as opposed to the CLW200 which draws around 160. They say their 9 x 9inch fixture will cover a 3 x 3 ft area - I'd think a 2 x 2 ft area would be generous. On the other hand, Area51 which has a 12 x 18 size fixture only recommends a 2 X 3 area....I'd probably still figure a little less but that's reasonable...once again honest as opposed to pie-in-the-sky hook-'em and land 'em. I just like the way area51 does business and to me that speaks a lot. All companies can have issues but if they are honest up front then they'll probably deal fairly along the way if there are problems.
I tend to prefer to deal with companies that try NO obfuscation like giving theoretical watts instead of real ones..e.g. the SGS-160 is about 155 (so about 160) flower power watts as opposed to the CLW200 which draws around 160. They say their 9 x 9inch fixture will cover a 3 x 3 ft area - I'd think a 2 x 2 ft area would be generous. On the other hand, Area51 which has a 12 x 18 size fixture only recommends a 2 X 3 area....I'd probably still figure a little less but that's reasonable...once again honest as opposed to pie-in-the-sky hook-'em and land 'em. I just like the way area51 does business and to me that speaks a lot. All companies can have issues but if they are honest up front then they'll probably deal fairly along the way if there are problems.
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