If you could only get 1 TGA

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whitey78

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Flagg420 said:
I guess once you start growing a certain way you just cant contemplate the other point of view... just in case tho, I will try again...

I can't afford the time, space, or money to produce 100 plants, or 1000, because one or two 'might' be amazingly super bad ass.... I am not a commercial breeder, I am a medicinal grower, and I WANT the stability of a single set of genetics... I don't want to HOPE my plant gives me flowers that female, and potent, and rich in the proper cannabinoids for my needs....

Regular seeds are a great thing for people who can afford to 'play' in hopes of finding something special.... I need to know what I am getting into when I go in, I leave gambling to people with warehouses of weed plants and the desire to cull 25-50% of them.... I want fem'd and clones.

Someone else can grow out that 1 in a 1000... I will buy a cutting from them.
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Listen to me bro... no one says you need to start any more than 10 regular seeds (via tga/subcool, gage green, aka a reputable breeder) and grow them out in 1 gallon pots... tga has a reputation for creating a lot of females out of any amount of their beans but go on the 50/50 rule... now say u get 5 females, you just need to sex them before getting them out of those 1 gallon pots...kamakazee a clone by taking a cut from each plant (do all of them because occasionally you are wrong....we all are...) and putting that cut/clone in a plastic cup of water and then under 12/12 lighting...

throw away or keep the corresponding males and grow the females big enough to take clones and make sure it's alive and thriving before flowering the seed plant... flower said seed plants, enjoy the preview of your results, notice I said preview... in the meantime plant the clones from before asap, get them big asap, clone them asap, veg them enough.... flower them... do it all at the same time if possible and compare differences and pick your favorite... cull one or all you don't like but you'll more than likely be keeping more than 1 out of a 10 pack...

You won't see how good what u have is until a clone run.... is it more work, a little but not really... there is much better stock hidden within that extra work.... fem has its time and place but no one ever said 100's or 1000's... plant 10 of any tga strain after reading the description, follow my guide above and you'll never go back... I agree its nice to grow 5 or however many fem seeds all grown out proper but running clones from reg seed is where it's at... I would never even dream of "dry running" seeds, fem or not....

no one said you gotta change your whole growing lifestyle because your gonna grow regs... just do a small portion reg and continue you to do your fems....


Don't know what your missing... anyone that's never grown a regular strain out is like a man that's never been to a strip club kinda thing....

Every seed planted is a gamble but if you buy from the right breeder it's pretty much a wrap...
 
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Flagg420

Flagg420

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Ugh, and hes still saying "No really, just spend 3 grow periods to get half your plants, cuz one or two might be super badass!"

So I guess I will repeat myself...

When I can have a garden big enough to use half of it for play, maybe I will. Until then, I need guaranteed flowers. With a 12 plant limit, I can't have 5 seeds fail, while waiting for the other 5 to clone and veg, to see if the seed I planted 3 or more months prior was a keeper.....

I have run Jilly Bean, Jack's Cleaner, and a few other TGA's.... but I buy the clone from someone who has the spare room in their grow op for 'play' plants... I let them grow out 10 seeds to find a good one, as I said before, I need guaranteed results.

I get it that I am not gonna find a '10' in my fem's.... But theres a fucking mountain of 9's, and I am perfectly content with that for now. When it starts being for fun, I will play, and go hunting for the elusive perfect strain....

In addition, I grow DWC, dirt is for my potatoes, not my cannabis...
 
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whitey78

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And they say there is no talking to certain people, I wonder why?... continue enjoying the bliss of ignorance and mountain making out of ant hills...hopefully you'll read a book someday that is a bit more enlightened than the likes of us, the guys who've made every mistake possible after reading all those books... there's a reason only a handful of breeders do only regular seeds... and making $ isn't the reason.... the ones who sold out and went the feminized route are the ones who did it for the $... and a quick FYI that I think was already covered, growing top shelf cannabis isn't for those that are scared of a little work or things that are different...
 
GreenSanta

GreenSanta

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for me the most special one and the one i am still working with now and again since the day i first grew it is spacebomb. one of my favourite smell in weed, it tastes like it smells. I have yet to find one that yields well but I did have a brian berry cough that yielded well and smelled very close to what I would call the spacebomb smell... but I lost that plant. The first time I grew weed worthy for its potency was a spacebomb. So a bit of nostalgia is in it for me...; I still remember thinking ok lets try this new strain I harvested 5 days ago, smoking it thinking man this is good, then looking at my eyes in the mirror with total red eyes thinking, oh yeah that shit works!! we are talking 5 + years ago, now I simply like the high, its not the most potent weed its just god damn good weed, every time.
 
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whitey78

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GreenSanta said:
for me the most special one and the one i am still working with now and again since the day i first grew it is spacebomb. one of my favourite smell in weed, it tastes like it smells. I have yet to find one that yields well but I did have a brian berry cough that yielded well and smelled very close to what I would call the spacebomb smell... but I lost that plant. The first time I grew weed worthy for its potency was a spacebomb. So a bit of nostalgia is in it for me...; I still remember thinking ok lets try this new strain I harvested 5 days ago, smoking it thinking man this is good, then looking at my eyes in the mirror with total red eyes thinking, oh yeah that shit works!! we are talking 5 + years ago, now I simply like the high, its not the most potent weed its just god damn good weed, every time.
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You know I gotta give that dude some kinda credit cuz I'll be honest, the keeper gods have not shun down on me in a while.... I always get something decent worth hanging onto till space is required... but nothing that compares to what we're talking about as a "keeper".... I been telling a friend about the candylike flavors and different highs n all that and he can't even imagine weed that smells and tastes like cherry or grape candy... he's not a grower, just a smoker... but smarty pants is right in the sense that not every bean is a winner... sometimes you do gotta grow out a couple packs to find that special pheno, but growing weed and fast don't go in the same sentence....

But in the beginning of my journey down the cannabis road I had keepers, keepers, and more keepers... one after another but I didn't know you just can't crack a few more eggs and get that superb plant back so I'd let them go without thinking twice (fucking idiot.....) ... but I've been searching for something special for the past 2-3 years, before that I could throw a bag seed in the corner of my room and it would pop up being cherry-lemonade jtr... I couldn't loose... don't get me wrong I've had some good ones lately but you know what I'm getting at...

At the moment I have 3 Brian berry cough girls and a single qleaner I'm working through the rooms and I'm hoping Brian berry comes through for me... but guess what... if not I'll pop the other half pack n see what I get... if not... I'll grab another pack... the $ in the bank mentality isn't for cannabis growers... everyone likes a safe bet, don't get me wrong... but that's not how it works as we know...

Remember one thing all; if any of this was really that easy, everyone would be growing and have that sticky icky killer everywhere... thankfully the majority of people think like this guy... if putting in a little extra time in to find something super special that no one else or very few others have... it's worth putting in the work for it to me... then just to share it and give cuts to as many people as possible... lol....

the only part I don't like about pheno hunting is only having so little space to do it with... if anyone wants to send me seeds to grow for them I'll be happy to build out some new space just for pheno hunting...

Merry xmas guys...
 
elkamino

elkamino

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Even if everything @whitey78 was saying fems/regs/etc were true it still wouldn't necessarily be relevant to @Flagg420, who has his own situation... like all of us. Why is this so hard for Whitey to understand? :wall:

Really, there's a lot of ways to grow dank, yet after numerous posts bustin Flagg's balls about growing the wrong way (OMG fems! The horrors!), Whitey admits that he still can't find a keeper among the vastly superior REG seeds? Dude needs to lay the fuck off, Flagg's got his situation more or less dialed, and I was thinking Whitey did too til he admitted otherwise. So WTF. Grow all the regs you want Whitey, find (or don't) find keepers. Whatever, we don't care but wish you the best. But realize that Flagg's got his limited situation dialed and doesn't need any shit from forum trolls who say they've got THE answer... and then go on to admit they don't. :roll:

Seriously dude I'm a reg seeds guy and don't ever grow other's clones. Big fuggin deal, if my situation were different maybe I'd use clones. Or maybe Fems. But I ain't gonna blather on and on about somebody else's grow/situation being wrong. Its HIS deal, not yours, and his needs are different, as he's patiently explained a few times at this point.

Hope that's the end of the derail.

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Now if I could only get one TGA, I've always said it was JTR, a stoney lemon-mango 8-weeker. But after smoking on it two years now I'm changing and gotta say its The Void aka Purple Apollo 13. Its energetic (used to be racey) smells of that incensy-baby poo, with grape all in there too. Tastes just as dank as it smells. Nug texture is incredible, nugs collapse/implode on themselves into grinder-like texture with a smush of the thumb into the bowl.

And look at those trichs, outsides are all beat up after a year in a seal-a-meal bag, now in a mason jar but still potent. Its a two year cure at this point, that's why the trich heads are all shmeered together. :weed:

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thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Yeah, I wouldn't listen to Whitey either if I was Flagg. Regular, male female, seeds are better only in preference in regards to a closet grower who does not plan on breeding. And to say you won't find keepers in feminized seed is ridiculous. I've had regs herm just the same as feminized though feminized can be bred poorly exacerbating those tendencies.

Just look at all the top cuts that were S1found in sacks of bud: GSC, cherry pie, chem dogs and diesels, I believe even one of the og kushes.
 
**Clouded**

**Clouded**

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elkamino said:
Even if everything @whitey78 was saying fems/regs/etc were true it still wouldn't necessarily be relevant to @Flagg420, who has his own situation... like all of us. Why is this so hard for Whitey to understand? :wall:

Really, there's a lot of ways to grow dank, yet after numerous posts bustin Flagg's balls about growing the wrong way (OMG fems! The horrors!), Whitey admits that he still can't find a keeper among the vastly superior REG seeds? Dude needs to lay the fuck off, Flagg's got his situation more or less dialed, and I was thinking Whitey did too til he admitted otherwise. So WTF. Grow all the regs you want Whitey, find (or don't) find keepers. Whatever, we don't care but wish you the best. But realize that Flagg's got his limited situation dialed and doesn't need any shit from forum trolls who say they've got THE answer... and then go on to admit they don't. :roll:

Seriously dude I'm a reg seeds guy and don't ever grow other's clones. Big fuggin deal, if my situation were different maybe I'd use clones. Or maybe Fems. But I ain't gonna blather on and on about somebody else's grow/situation being wrong. Its HIS deal, not yours, and his needs are different, as he's patiently explained a few times at this point.

Hope that's the end of the derail.

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Now if I could only get one TGA, I've always said it was JTR, a stoney lemon-mango 8-weeker. But after smoking on it two years now I'm changing and gotta say its The Void aka Purple Apollo 13. Its energetic (used to be racey) smells of that incensy-baby poo, with grape all in there too. Tastes just as dank as it smells. Nug texture is incredible, nugs collapse/implode on themselves into grinder-like texture with a smush of the thumb into the bowl.

And look at those trichs, outsides are all beat up after a year in a seal-a-meal bag, now in a mason jar but still potent. Its a two year cure at this point, that's why the trich heads are all shmeered together. :weed:

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Well said sir. Very well said. And those buds are stupid pretty. I love all those reds and golds and browns. Nice job buddy. How is the smoke on a two year cure...besides being smooth as butter? lol
 
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whitey78

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GreenSanta said:
might take a long time to find keepers but in the end you end up with a menu that represents yourself, what you like, and to have friends enjoying it is priceless. There is a lot of nicest flowers in the world around, grown your own, grow for your friends. Merry Christmas everyone. hohoho
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Thank u... that's exactly what I was getting at but I was busting balls...

elkamino said:
Even if everything @whitey78 was saying fems/regs/etc were true it still wouldn't necessarily be relevant to @Flagg420, who has his own situation... like all of us. Why is this so hard for Whitey to understand? :wall:

Really, there's a lot of ways to grow dank, yet after numerous posts bustin Flagg's balls about growing the wrong way (OMG fems! The horrors!), Whitey admits that he still can't find a keeper among the vastly superior REG seeds? Dude needs to lay the fuck off, Flagg's got his situation more or less dialed, and I was thinking Whitey did too til he admitted otherwise. So WTF. Grow all the regs you want Whitey, find (or don't) find keepers. Whatever, we don't care but wish you the best. But realize that Flagg's got his limited situation dialed and doesn't need any shit from forum trolls who say they've got THE answer... and then go on to admit they don't. :roll:

Seriously dude I'm a reg seeds guy and don't ever grow other's clones. Big fuggin deal, if my situation were different maybe I'd use clones. Or maybe Fems. But I ain't gonna blather on and on about somebody else's grow/situation being wrong. Its HIS deal, not yours, and his needs are different, as he's patiently explained a few times at this point.

Hope that's the end of the derail.

:joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::joint:

Now if I could only get one TGA, I've always said it was JTR, a stoney lemon-mango 8-weeker. But after smoking on it two years now I'm changing and gotta say its The Void aka Purple Apollo 13. Its energetic (used to be racey) smells of that incensy-baby poo, with grape all in there too. Tastes just as dank as it smells. Nug texture is incredible, nugs collapse/implode on themselves into grinder-like texture with a smush of the thumb into the bowl.

And look at those trichs, outsides are all beat up after a year in a seal-a-meal bag, now in a mason jar but still potent. Its a two year cure at this point, that's why the trich heads are all shmeered together. :weed:

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But let's not be rediculas and say I gotta grow 1000's of seeds, have the skills of the breeder himself, sell a kidney, take a 4th mortgage.... the dude was being more than rediculas... why come into a majority regular seed growing section of the forum and start shitting at the mouth? I initially tried to be good to the guy as I do everyone but again stupid shit kept kept getting said...

Everyone has their own situation... grow up... but being a tool weather that's me for admitting I do grow fem seeds here and there, that I havent had the best luck with keepers (meaning the earth shattering shit u get once every once in a while) and being stupid enough to attenpt to approach someone about having an open mind and TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT ONCE IN YOUR LIFE......or my man for just talking like a neurotic 80 year old with a laundry list of doctor appointments with no times next to the appointments.... then to go to on about it and how it just can't be done...

Was I a dick.... of course... but anyone that claims to need the skills of a breeder to get a worthwhile strain/pheno is just asking for it as are you.... you grow reg seed...but you don't preserve the genetics to be used again cuz you don't work with clones... your as foolish as him only worse because you are actually wasting your $... as well as most times you don't get the correct representation of what your getting via seed run...

I do understand my friend, it's you who do not.... im in no way superior to anyone due to what or how I grow or in any way but when you have experience and then try to explain the best way to go about something and get shit on by someone who doesnt even know the difference...I'm gonna shit back... and trust me I got it from the first post.... I believe the title of the thread explains everything...
 
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subcoolgrower

subcoolgrower

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whitey78 said:
And they say there is no talking to certain people, I wonder why?... continue enjoying the bliss of ignorance and mountain making out of ant hills...hopefully you'll read a book someday that is a bit more enlightened than the likes of us, the guys who've made every mistake possible after reading all those books... there's a reason only a handful of breeders do only regular seeds... and making $ isn't the reason.... the ones who sold out and went the feminized route are the ones who did it for the $... and a quick FYI that I think was already covered, growing top shelf cannabis isn't for those that are scared of a little work or things that are different...
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I turned Down a Million Dollars to Fem my lines Money is not my driving force :)

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alwayslearning777

alwayslearning777

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So I changed my vote .. if I could only do one it would be the Marian berry ... I looove the taste and everything else is great too
I can't find the beans anymore here in MI but when I do, it's on
 
NrthrnMichigan

NrthrnMichigan

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If I could find my Ace of Spades I had a few years back I would be really really happy...Some of the best tasting smoke I'v ever grown. Smooth, Earthy, Sandalwood Goodness. Not the best structured specimen but produced well enough to keep in the stable for a few years.
 
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