If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about government surveillence?

Doer

Doer

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Dude, I was talking about ABC....sorry...I only see his plaintiveness if someone quotes, him...See, not an IT any more. :)

For you and I are surely beyond the emoticons with these cheek tonguing comments....but, I was even wrong about that.

Believe me, brother, when I have a bone to pick with you, i feel I can be much more direct, yes? And you with me, as here. If I confusing. Speak up. That's what my friends do. :)

So, my bad for refusing to quote the ignored. Yet, if he was getting less pissed off, however, it seemed a good time to signal some reconciliation for a good thinker. But, not at the expense of your, even slightest, confusion.

Beg pardon.

I meant dreaming of the 10:1....ha ha?
 
abandonconflict

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/22/undercover-police-cleared-sex-activists

Undercover police cleared 'to have sex with activists'

Undercover police officers routinely adopted a tactic of "promiscuity" with the blessing of senior commanders, according to a former agent who worked in a secretive unit of the Metropolitan police for four years.
The former undercover policeman claims that sexual relationships with activists were sanctioned for both men and women officers infiltrating anarchist, leftwing and environmental groups.
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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Doer said:
Dude, I was talking about ABC....sorry...I only see his plaintiveness if someone quotes, him...See, not an IT any more.
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I stopped taking you seriously a while ago. Every now and again you remark in a way that is somewhat relevant and I retort, whether I am quoted or not. Sorry if you felt special.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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echelon1k1 said:
I don't have to declare reality. Take a look around...
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http://www.stopthehunger.com/

I see more fat people than anything. Did you know that more money is spent treating obesity than it would cost to eradicate starvation as a cause of death? Did you know that more than quadruple the amount of food that is needed to feed the entire world for a year (based on caloric measurements and estimates) is fed to the livestock in the US alone? Did you know that this feed comes from wanton destruction of some of the most ancient habitats of extreme biodiversity?

I haven't seen what you're talking about though.
 
aknight3

aknight3

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juicemedia is actually pretty good for rapping about news, i think i posted this video around here already and got bs for it, people still think a surveillance state is a conspiracy theory or some shit, sad..
 
aknight3

aknight3

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I say to the government of the United States: ''If I'm not doing anything wrong why should the government care what I'm doing? I thought we were innocent until proven guilty."
 
Doer

Doer

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Rak on Tur' said:
I think the use of criminal informants here is worse just for the sole fact most are young people. The moral compas of law enforcement has been broken for some time, granted the FBI never had good faith or fairness to begin with.
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The moral compass of law enforcement was improved seriously with Miranda. It remains broken by the thuggery of our society. When you have Witherspoon types sounding off, only 1/2 drunk, you get some idea of what the day to day is but much worse.

All the 2 bit thugs and the 2 bit citizens of Alcohol, is why we have armed and thugged up, cops. It is WE needing WE against US. So, hand wringing is also the main fodder of what the Cop hears.

Just do what I do. Watch the cop shows. I love seeing Alcohol talking to Law.

It can give you a new perspective. Of course, many people can't even understand their old perspective, much less try the next, and the next.

It is like religion. Some people cannot empathize with the job of Police. It's against the Agenda.
 
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Rak on Tur'

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Doer said:
The moral compass of law enforcement was improved seriously with Miranda. It remains broken by the thuggery of our society. When you have Witherspoon types sounding off, only 1/2 drunk, you get some idea of what the day to day is but much worse.

All the 2 bit thugs and the 2 bit citizens of Alcohol, is why we have armed and thugged up, cops. It is WE needing WE against US.
So, hand wringing is also the main fodder of what the Cop hears.

Just do what I do. Watch the cop shows. I love seeing Alcohol talking to Law.

It can give you a new perspective. Of course, many people can't even understand their old perspective, much less try the next, and the next.

It is like religion. Some people cannot empathize with the job of Police. It's against the Agenda.
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As a ex cop you couldn't pay me to watch any cop show, they are absolute garbage. I am talking law enforcement in the last 20 years, your rights no longer matter. We have judges now and halfwit investigators who just invent reasons to get warrants.

Coruption is at a all time high in law enforcement, it's sickening. I do agree with you on booze, it is a cause of a lot of problems.
 
Doer

Doer

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Rak on Tur' said:
As a ex cop you couldn't pay me to watch any cop show, they are absolute garbage. I am talking law enforcement in the last 20 years, your rights no longer matter. We have judges now and halfwit investigators who just invent reasons to get warrants.

Coruption is at a all time high in law enforcement, it's sickening. I do agree with you on booze, it is a cause of a lot of problems.
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Yeah it is garbage. It simply shows Alcohol and the Law for the most part. It doesn't show the cops beating street people 1/2 to death, stealing/hiding evidence. It doesn't show planting firearms and drugs.
It doesn't show pocket warrants, etc.

How about 48 hrs? The murder investigation? Those seem straight up.
 
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Rak on Tur'

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Doer said:
Yeah it is garbage. It simply shows Alcohol and the Law for the most part. It doesn't show the cops beating street people 1/2 to death, stealing/hiding evidence. It doesn't show planting firearms and drugs.
It doesn't show pocket warrants, etc.

How about 48 hrs? The murder investigation? Those seem straight up.
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Im not talking about the street beatings or planting of evidence, it definitely happens, but I don't believe it's that common. I'm talking about the internal investigations that do nothing, law enforcement not held to the very laws they enforce, and trampling people's rights.

I can't say that I have ever saw 48hrs so I'm not sure about that one.
 
Doer

Doer

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Ah, I see. Accountability in the dirty game. Not much of that any more.

Even in kids sports, its gone. My friend coaches and now refs soccer games for Jr High. He says sportsmanship is gone. Honor is gone.
It is all about not getting caught. Fouling is OK. Just don't get caught. If you do get a yellow card, kill the ref. There is a young man in serious trouble for sucker punching the ref and killing him.

We are getting more violent, (maybe less gun murder) and so will need more guns and more self reliance than ever, I think.

It is purposely being taught. It is purposely against our Way.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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The law enforcement can be trusted to find criminals. Their livelihood depends on it. They will find criminals to arrest, even if there aren't any.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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There was a movie that commented on this problem long ago with exceptional economy:

"Round up the usual suspects."
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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/military-quietly-grants-itself-power-police-streets-without-local-or-state-consent?page=0,0

Military Quietly Grants Itself the Power to Police the Streets Without Local or State Consent

The lines between the military and law enforcement have blurred even further.



May 15, 2013:The manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombing suspects offered the nation a window into the stunning military-style capabilities of our local law enforcement agencies.
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Mr Neutron

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Rak on Tur' said:
I do agree with you on booze, it is a cause of a lot of problems.
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I disagree. Alcohol, like guns, is not the cause of anything. It is an inanimate object. Even the misuse or abuse of such is not a cause of problems. Plenty of people abuse and misuse alcohol but do not cause any problems, the same with guns.

It is the person(s) who do harm that are the cause of problems. Blaming things like alcohol and guns is just shifting the blame onto something that has nothing to do with the problem.
 
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