Illumitex - Why so little attention?

FranJan

FranJan

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25 x F3 = Overkill?
http://www.amazon.com/illumitex-Germination-Flowering-Connectors-Horticultural/dp/B00BF2P2R8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_lg_4

200 bucks is tempting. But here's a little something from one of their dealers, Envirolux. This was taken off an Ebay listing here, (Bold is mine);
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-Grow-Light-EnviroLux-Pro-Rail-Commercial-Grade-/151001622091

This Pro Rail System includes:
Each Pro Rail contains 6 Surexi horticulture F3 ARRAYs. Each Pro Rail has a detachable 15 foot IP67 power cord. The LED power supply box is heavy duty and includes a 6 foot AC power cord.

FIXTURE COMPARISONS USING THE SUREXI ARRAYs. PRO RAIL VS Eclipse
The Surexi ARRAYs are very impressive, and have been proven by scientists to offer more PPF (Photosynthesis Photon Flux) than any other lighting technology on the market today. Illumitex in Austin Texas owns the patents on the technology, and produces the Surexi ARRAYs under contract manufacturing from ISO Tech in Malaysia and NAKUS in Korea. Their original management team sourced our company in December of 2010 to produce OEM lighting fixtures around their technology. The original extrusion profile designed by Illumitex had thermal flaws, so we designed a new extrusion profile (the Pro Rail) to dissipate the juntion temperature of the ARRAYs properly, eliminating premature heat failure. The original design is still being promoted on the internet under the "Eclipse" name. It will not handle the junction temperature of the Surexi ARRAYs properly, and when ambient temperature reaches above 70 degrees F, the ARRAYs will become stressed and fail. The Surexi ARRAYs are wired in series and embedded in epoxy, so if one ARRAY fails, they all will fail. So, thermal management is extremely important.



As illustrated in the attached images, the Pro Rail extrusion profile has a wider channel, higher fin height and more fins to dissipate the heat. The ARRAYs are embedded in an ECO safe epoxy, with a protected face plate. Custom end caps allow for proper strain relief of external wiring. The system runs cool, even in high ambient temperatures. Being a manufacturer of commercial lighting fixtures for over 20 years, and producing OEM lighting products for many other popular manufacturers in the USA, including GE, Philips and Sylvania, we understand how to produce a quality finished product around the Surexi technology.
The Pro Rail also has a custom shape built into the spine allowing for multitudes of different mount options with adjustability.
The Pro Rail also is available with high output drivers allowing the Surexi ARRAYS to operate at their maximum potential. Standard drivers, including what is offered with The Eclipse product, only operate the Surexi ARRAYs at 80 percent capacity.
Benefits of EnviroLux Pro Rail LED Grow Lights:
Made in THE USA and Produced by a real manufacturer established in 1989.
Pro Rail Systems are designed to dissipate the heat of Surexi Horticulture ARRAYs properly.

I tell ya though, from hearing what captainmorgan went through and what one of their dealers has to say, I just get this vibe that Illumitex is not being honest and they shouldn't be trusted atm. But that's just my paranoid ass :).
 
Bumping Spheda

Bumping Spheda

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Wwwtttfff. Thanks for this. I was actually going to email Rocky Mountain High (the dispensary in that video using Illumitex bars) and ask what they thought of the lights. But that shit's just crazy. I kinda wanna look into Envirolux now just to see if they are shit talking, or what.

Nice investigation, though, Fran.
 

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Bumping Spheda

Bumping Spheda

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A contact of this company tried to get in touch with an Envirolux ?employee...CEO? via LinkedIn. What she said sounded interesting.
http://henglight.com/ledgreenlist.html
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Looks like a very sharp cutoff to me.

...Our led grow light is a new-style,and the light it gives out are very homogeneous.
The dimension can changes according to your needs.
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That's the only clue I can find as to how they control the beam angle, and it basically says nothing because it almost sounds like she's saying, "You can put another row of lights in to increase the foot print..."

I'm pretty close to emailing them and asking, "So wtf is up with these?"

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I can say I would NOT recommend Envirolux. They might even have a decent product. However, their warranty hoops, bashing the competition, conflicting marketing has made up my mind to never give them any of my business.
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Wow, screw both these guys...
 
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sovereignlife

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ay ay ay ay ay ay ay .... although it was more expensive and not your bang for your buck led. But absolutely no regrets about my purchase AT ALL. All those surexi leds you guys are looking at are dump offs from few years ago of old surexi models i do believe, why they are being bulked off. Also that ebay/amazon shit doesnt have the built in connectors.
 
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sovereignlife

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I really honestly was impressed. Very very very comparable to a 600w hps. but again 1100 bucks for something that compares to only 600w is out of price range for most.
 
Bumping Spheda

Bumping Spheda

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So, you recommend the Neosol for sure. When you say "dump offs [...] of old surexi models" are you talking them down necessarily?
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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I think if they staggered the rails they would create a more balanced intensity and get the same result with 1/3-1/2 the lights
 
tags420

tags420

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sovereignlife said:
I really honestly was impressed. Very very very comparable to a 600w hps. but again 1100 bucks for something that compares to only 600w is out of price range for most.
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Do you have one? I havent see anyone actually using any Illumitex model.

As for dump-offs, I can see that. The new units(ones rocky mountain high used) aren't out till october Illumitex told me. So I would assume that all these sweet deals are with the old ones.
 
Bumping Spheda

Bumping Spheda

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He's got the Neosol 300W F3 spectrum.

Interesting about the new line-up, however. I wonder, will the X5 be available? And what do they have to say about it? I heard they said the F3 spectrum performed better so they dropped the X5, but is that true?
 
tags420

tags420

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We were just talking about all this illumitex stuff in the new to led's thread a few days ago. Starts on page 89, post#882 goes to page90, post#893
Page 89--- https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/633304-if-you-new-led-want-89.html

X5 is/was/never will be their spectrum...it's not even nasa's technically...and that is the reason they don't use it anymore. Now they are big enough that they don't need to ride coattails anymore so they are sticking to their own F3. But the X5 is what first got everyones attention.
 
PICOGRAV

PICOGRAV

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Square beam LED tech seems to be what everyone is heading to right now but you are only illuminating the plant from the top down? If you used large reflectors to shape a larger beam fully around the plant would this be better? I am thinking about all the leaves on a plant and that the lack of high levels of ambient light might inhibit the leaves, directly below the top level not letting them produce much food, in one scene we are getting better penetration as not much light is going to waste but would the extra power needed for ambient light be out weighed by the increase of photosynthesis by the underlining foliage? I think no matter what there will be always be huge light wastes as the plants only really utilize 2-5% of the light power anyway.

They talk about better canopy penetration with this type of lighting but maybe less intense reflected ambient light would be far better, penetrating from almost all angles. I want to do some tests after I have few grows under my belt with focused beam lighting vs reflected ambient lighting.
 
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sovereignlife

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I believed i mentioned it when i gave a semi update in the Led Company brands thread, I really liked how from top to bottom even on the one i didn't lollipop as much the maturation and density of lower branches surpassed the current hps run i was doing and past ones.
 
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sovereignlife

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The actual individual flower size was on average smaller but the total weight was only a 10% drop off compared to the 600w i did beside it
 
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sovereignlife

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In response to leaves producing less food. I can tell i need to use like 20% more nutes with the neosol than the Hps. Take that as you will
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Why rely on reflected light when you can supplement with side (or below canopy) lighting?

LED Tubes + Globes.jpgDWC Roots + Globes Under Canopy (3).jpg

PICOGRAV said:
Square beam LED tech seems to be what everyone is heading to right now but you are only illuminating the plant from the top down? If you used large reflectors to shape a larger beam fully around the plant would this be better? I am thinking about all the leaves on a plant and that the lack of high levels of ambient light might inhibit the leaves, directly below the top level not letting them produce much food, in one scene we are getting better penetration as not much light is going to waste but would the extra power needed for ambient light be out weighed by the increase of photosynthesis by the underlining foliage? I think no matter what there will be always be huge light wastes as the plants only really utilize 2-5% of the light power anyway.

They talk about better canopy penetration with this type of lighting but maybe less intense reflected ambient light would be far better, penetrating from almost all angles. I want to do some tests after I have few grows under my belt with focused beam lighting vs reflected ambient lighting.
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Bumping Spheda

Bumping Spheda

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tags: Oh whoa, PSU jumped right into a discussion after I posted that vid. Thanks for catching me up.

PICO: I think SoG might be a natural progression for these types of lighting fixtures. Sovereignlife says they penetrate well, so perhaps plants with about 2-4 weeks veg? Leaving lighting efficiency losses alone the "redundancy" of growing indoors is always there, at least in my mind. The sun just @$$ rapes anything we can imagine indoors and it's free. It's a little hard to justify to myself, but I still do it anyway. If cannabis was completely unregulated and I lived in a less densely populated area (or if people gave zero shits about it) I'd just put some seeds in the dirt in my back yard and unthaw what I wanted to smoke for the week that was left over from last year's harvest, or something to that effect.

PF: I mean like this
http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/400-04510173em-Stack-of-alphabet-toy-building-blocks-spelling-the-word-love-.jpg
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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This is what I get when clicking on the link Referral Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/400-04510173em-Stack-of-alphabet-toy-building-blocks-spelling-the-word-love-.jpg" on this server. Reference #24.5acf33b8.1377112614.43c6c08

The problem with growing outdoors is chemtrails. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfJO0-cTis

Now if you have a greenhouse, then yes take max advantage of father sun, though he seems to be more cool white than neutral white these days



Bumping Spheda said:
tags: Oh whoa, PSU jumped right into a discussion after I posted that vid. Thanks for catching me up.

PICO: I think SoG might be a natural progression for these types of lighting fixtures. Sovereignlife says they penetrate well, so perhaps plants with about 2-4 weeks veg? Leaving lighting efficiency losses alone the "redundancy" of growing indoors is always there, at least in my mind. The sun just @$$ rapes anything we can imagine indoors and it's free. It's a little hard to justify to myself, but I still do it anyway. If cannabis was completely unregulated and I lived in a less densely populated area (or if people gave zero shits about it) I'd just put some seeds in the dirt in my back yard and unthaw what I wanted to smoke for the week that was left over from last year's harvest, or something to that effect.

PF: I mean like this
http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/400-04510173em-Stack-of-alphabet-toy-building-blocks-spelling-the-word-love-.jpg
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