I'm a new patient looking for an honest grower

ive been thinking of moving to your staate, currently im in colorado and to get you weed legally its unreal in price, 75$ for an 8th....anyhow ive got friends and family out there that say that i could move and get my card and pick up a couple patients because ive heard some real shitty things about some of the growers out there. mainly the market here is so flooded with idiots and wanna-bes thinking they can grow the best. i just wanna grow dank plants that people enjoy and if i can make enough to survive im happy...whats the limit on how many patients you can have? and ive heard dispensaries are opening in some areas within the next month. this happened here in colorado, dispensaries used to be allowed to purchase medicine from other patients which kept the market pretty even, now they are required to grow 70% and prices are unreal...the state has really messed up the whole market IMO. im kinda wanting to get out of this state an head somewhere that hasnt had their "gold rush" yet... i think it would work great if you could give one or two oz a month to your patients and sell the rest to the dispensary. everything is fair that way i think...how easy is it to get an OMMP if ive got my colorado red card

Ok, to be clear I'm not "looking to be paid". No one with any sense would be trying to "get paid" in the current MMJ system if they care about following the law. I am a grower with one patient who I have known for most of my adult life and is my room mate. We save money because we would be spending way more at the clubs with what we smoke. I occasionally recoup a bit through the extras generated but that might cover my electricity bill because I put absolutely no effort into doing so. There is no way I could supplement my current lifestyle purely within the parameters of the MMJ system even if I had the maximum 4 patients, so I would never bother.

However, I do believe in the positives of a free market system; what Colorado currently has is nowhere near a free market. It has been twisted to hell there, but its better than putting people in jail for a plant. My viewpoint is that I don't see mj as any different than growing peaches or plums. If someone can grow the best peaches and deliver them on time, they should and will be appropriately reimbursed beyond their overhead. Everyone needs to eat, moreso than they would ever need cannabis, and we don't expect the farmers who grow our grains and corn to do it for free.

Now, I guess where this all gets a little tricky is cannabis is also considered medicine. You'll notice that I said I wish they would keep the medical system for those who really need it, but I doubt any state will be willing to put forth the effort of running two separate systems. I also think said medicine should be financially covered by health care insurers to those that would qualify. However, what I do not believe is that the people who are able to grow said medicine should be obligated to be be fully tied in directly with the patients.

No doubt things are going to be crazy with legalization when it comes regulations(Colorado) for a while until it can become all peaches and plums, but I still see it as the best possible path.

Wizard.of.Dank said:

ive been thinking of moving to your staate, currently im in colorado and to get you weed legally its unreal in price, 75$ for an 8th....anyhow ive got friends and family out there that say that i could move and get my card and pick up a couple patients because ive heard some real shitty things about some of the growers out there. mainly the market here is so flooded with idiots and wanna-bes thinking they can grow the best. i just wanna grow dank plants that people enjoy and if i can make enough to survive im happy...whats the limit on how many patients you can have? and ive heard dispensaries are opening in some areas within the next month. this happened here in colorado, dispensaries used to be allowed to purchase medicine from other patients which kept the market pretty even, now they are required to grow 70% and prices are unreal...the state has really messed up the whole market IMO. im kinda wanting to get out of this state an head somewhere that hasnt had their "gold rush" yet... i think it would work great if you could give one or two oz a month to your patients and sell the rest to the dispensary. everything is fair that way i think...how easy is it to get an OMMP if ive got my colorado red card

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Well, if you have any inclination that its not flooded here with growers than you are misinformed. The players of the "gold rush" are well established here already, but I still think there is a demand for true dank weed if you can produce it. Now, if you just want to get the hell out of Colorado and go to another friendly state I do say come on out! If you have any sort of ambiguous pain issue then you should have no problem getting your MMJ card, psychological factors(besides PTSD) such as depression or anxiety are not covered by current qualifications but it seems like everyone knows a chiropractor to go to. Oregon is an amazing place to live, the only thing I can say negative about the Portland specifically is that it can be damn hard to find a job out here. Also-- you can definitely find a lot of growers willing to agree to 2 oz's a month here with no problem, although it seems to be a bit tricky to find one that ends up following through.

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Well, if you have any inclination that its not flooded here with growers than you are misinformed. The players of the "gold rush" are well established here already, but I still think there is a demand for true dank weed if you can produce it. Now, if you just want to get the hell out of Colorado and go to another friendly state I do say come on out! If you have any sort of ambiguous pain issue then you should have no problem getting your MMJ card, psychological factors(besides PTSD) such as depression or anxiety are not covered by current qualifications but it seems like everyone knows a chiropractor to go to. Oregon is an amazing place to live, the only thing I can say negative about the Portland specifically is that it can be damn hard to find a job out here. Also-- you can definitely find a lot of growers willing to agree to 2 oz's a month here with no problem, although it seems to be a bit tricky to find one that ends up following through.

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yea ive heard that its hard to find one that will follow thru, my brother lives in the southern area and ive heard its hard to find work but ive always had good luck finding jobs with my trade so im not too worried about finding that kind of work. im sure most areas that are mmj legal are already flooded with growers, im here in colorado, i can say its flooded but there is a level between the grade of medicine, if thats what we wanna call it, you can buy good weed or meds here for sure but its really hard to find really realy really dank good chronic weed done right, IMO. im picky. lots of people out here are growing and thats great but there is a difference in the quality and thats what i think matters, and that care is taken when its grown not to use chemicals and junk that may make people more sick. out here right now i dont think its fair to the mmj patients, the way the state has set the framework for the actual growing of it, its not based on quality its based off profit. ive been to oregon i love it there you guys have some dank outdoor for sure! mainly id like to get to know the framework and how the laws are set up for a grower and club, here before all the law fists came down, a grower with excess medicine could go into a dispensary and sell it, which i thnk is completely fair and thats how it should be, it would drive the price down and i think it would get people who shouldnt be growing( people who dont know how or are in it just for money)would stop growing, i would totally agree that colorado lawmakers and politicians screwed this all up, and we voted to legalize and then we just let them wreck it all, oregon has a chance to do it right, and i kinda wanna get there before hand...know what im sayin?

What's up Wizard? I heard Colorado has some good meds, maybe not along the lines what people may consider dank. But one that I found to be really interesting was being used for epilepsy. It wasn't very popular in the recreational world , but did really well with a couple of patients. As a matter of fact a family in Florida is trying to get it for their child to make an oil. As for Oregon I think they are much further along than other states when it comes to the medical part. Someone can correct me if I am wrong on some of the info. When it comes to registering with the state I think it helps to save time with law enforcement, you can get help finding a caregiver, and I believe you get a deduction for meds when you file for state assistance, so all in all not to bad. Oh and lets not forget about he dispensaries...lol. I don't think they buy from patients, but registered growers probably can sell their meds.

Southerner, I'm glad you chimed in. I've been following the the legalization efforts here, trying to conceive of my BEST case scenario if/when Oregon does legalize recreationally. What were the mistakes or problems that WA and CO have run into? (I've been haunting their forums a bit, trying to get this sorted out in my head)

To Wizard of Dank: The job market is tough everywhere right now, but I found OR to be the hardest place to find a job out of any place I've lived. I had mad skills, in several different fields, and it took me 8 months to get a part time/temporary job, working for 2/3 less than what I got paid in California. After a year, I found a job slightly more permanent job -- bartending and janitorial. I was serving beers and cleaning toilets in a crappy ass bar! I felt a lot like Diane Chambers (from Cheers) with my stupid degrees in Education and English Literature, but it paid the bills. Plan for the worst, and maybe you'll be happily surprised.

And you're right again, Southerner, there's TONS of growers here. The guys *I* know either charge street prices to their patients for top shelf buds, or provide it free -- but it's B grade (or they short their patients by a 1/4!!!). But I only know complete asshole growers (aka "dealers") apparently. (they're not friends -- just people I 'know"). I don't grow for anyone but self and family, but when I'm flush after a harvest, I'm like Santa Claus, or Willy Wonka, giving it away to buddies. I used to make medibles for my friend who was in and out of the hospital, but he died last week. His official "grower" who was also his "friend" was no where to be found, and hadn't provided for him in over 4 months. Total douche.

So, I'd love to hear from others (Beacon, Zildjan, Hillybilly, CaretakerDad, Southerner) the direction *you* think OR is headed in for legalization efforts, and what improvements/differences we want from WA and CO laws.

I give up, I just want to grow my own and everyone can fend for themselves. I've met growers who can't smoke, growers who'll take cuts and seeds, better than they are growing, and give back a smidgen to the originator or worse genetcs.. Granted, once you give beans and cuts away, its not your call, but herb etiquette Is greatly lacking. I could give a shit for legalization, as much as OR is fighting over clubs, they'll never vote it in I use medically, so all I want is to find a landlord who will let you grow in the state and grow my own. I've seen so much black market bullshit in name of compassion and greed and fame, I'll never think of MMJ in the same way again. JMHO

You know this will sound jacked up, but here goes. I think that OR may end up letting people come to WA and purchase recreational pot, it's not like people don't come from WA to save on sales tax or to purchase cigarettes. There really has not been a penalty for crossing the border to buy cigarettes or to get over on the sales tax. I think there was talk about it though. WA and CO could take a few pointers as far as state registration for patients/growers. Being that OR knows its growers, dispensaries can have safe access to quality meds at hopefuly a good price. and still help increase revenue and employment for the state.

I wish I could grab a card and grow 6 legal plants.
I don't know how the systems work. Is this flowering and you can have veg plants on stand by?
Any ways, Ya the grower is taking on costs but he would be doing that illegally too...
To me a QP a crop, to grow 6 legal plants is more than fair.
Your pretty much paying a few guys "patients" a couple zips and month to keep you out the clinker.
Regardless of costs, experience needed and labour involved...Seems like a pretty good fucking deal to me.

If you had an illegal operation of 24 plants say, flowering... and a cop said "Hey give 2K a month and you wont get popped."
You do it right?

You know I caught on to this years ago when a guy shafted me for almost $2000, said he would be my caregiver. He said he was going to get these clones for me and grow, but I went back a week later and he had moved. Since then I have grown for myself. People are shady, but from the ashes good growers and breeders have risen..

peeps already crossing bridge to WA to get rec meds, if no money or screwed by a grower or two in Portland, or so I hear, they claim its worth it to NOT be OMMP, and get your meds in WA!

WA is just as bad as OR flooded and everyone trying to become billionaire, you should look up MMJ on Portland Craigslist. I-5 corridor is ran over...LOL. It's horrible.

Tagh: Actually, you cant have any veg plants over 12 inches(tall or wide) or it is considered one of your mature plants. Also, no doubt its a good deal to the alternative of jail but that doesn't mean it cant be improved. I moved all the way across the country to be a a part of all this and love even being a small part of it. The bottom line is that people can grow their own meds and that is probably the best way to go if you have the resources. I guess where I seem to diverge from most thinking on this forum is that I think people should be able to make a legal living from growing marijuana if they posses the skills and resources to do so and I know that isn't the way its written now. Everyone in the U.S. should be able to grow this plant if they so desire and it shouldn't be limited to some convoluted agreement between Growers and patients and hitched to a half-baked MMJ system. Even if you have one of those agreements, the plants 100% belong to the patients no matter who is paying the bills and any agreement outside of that is only as strong as peoples' word. Hell, you are still technically breaking the law if as a grower you consume the medication and are not a patient. Things can get better.

Beacon: If people can get cheaper MJ in Washington than they should do so. Personally, I still think its worth participating in the OMMP program until legalization comes. There just needs to be an easier and non-sketchy way to connect growers to patients and cut out the people who really are looking to get paid-- dispensary owners. Unfortunately for all of us, its some of the major players are dispensary owners who are in charge of drawing up the framework for Oregon's future legalization. I agree that there are defiantly growers out here who are naive enough to be in it purely for the money and without any of the passion, or compassion for that matter. I'm not sure how far many of those growers ever make it, though.

SillyString: I think legalization is going to a bumpy, long road before it turns into anything that satisfies both the voting majority and the Fed gov't. Right now Colorado and Washington are exclusive and so prices are inflated with all the taxes that the governing bodies think they can get away with. That is going to change when legalization becomes widespread and the Fed's start to feel more pressure to change laws as to not be so contradictory with that of the states. The market will start to correct itself as it becomes more competitive and the laws of supply and demand take over. Monsanto and the rest of "Big Ag" will get involved as soon as the laws are changed and and we will have true, commercially grown bud . However, you will still have the guys growing organically and in smaller more controlled batches who are able to distribute their bud to those wanting something better or different. You can ether go to Fred Meyers and get some strangely large, GMO, tasteless, commercially grown peaches or you can go to the farmers market and get something grow locally/organically or whatever your standards may be. That's the way I hope it goes anyway...

edit; Also a funny thing about looking on Craigslist for MMJ is that the ads you see are just the lucky ones that have slipped passed the competition flagging everyone else for posting "Inappropriately".

Silly String, to be honest I see prices skyrocketing if it becomes legal. It is the american way (sadly). Think about it, the only reason why it is becoming legal is because Uncle Sam wants a share of this cash crop. It has been going on for years, and years and they haven't gotten any of it except for seizures of property and fines etc... So they are going to charge big bucks for permits etc... Then we have the American people that are seeing this as a chance to cash in on doing what they love to do (grow weed). I can't say as I blame them as it is the same with other services businesses provide for their good or services. So when you have the growers wanting their money, the dispensaries wanting to make their profit because of fees to Uncle Sam, overhead and just plain wanting to make money it will drive the price up. Where as before you just had to deal with the dealer wanting to make his profit for street marijuana. Now you will have more people involved in wanting to get paid.

Ideally what I would like to see happen is only allow a certain amount of people to grow for a certain amount of dispensaries for those that do not have a medical need or those that do not have growers for their meds (those on OMMP) so they can get their medicine. I would like to see those with OMMP get it at a set rate (discount) required for dispensaries to be able to sell to the general public.

As for the others keep it business as usual with growers that want to grow privately for their patients and themselves without a card for the grower; meaning anyone should be able to grow for themselves a set amount of plants without a card, but if want to grow more they need to be designated as a patients grower.

This way you can have it for people that want to make a business out of it, and for those that just want to grow their own and the patients are still being taken care of.

Honestly I have not kept up on what Oregon has planned for possible legalization (so I apologize if some or all of what I have said has already been stipulated as the game plan). I know this, do not like what I have been hearing about how things are going in Colorado. Who knows in time things may change, prices may drop when more states get on board etc... I just feel that road will be a long one traveled and as with anything everyone wants to get rich quick.

I also want to point out I'm very very baked right now, and none of what I stated may not make sense or not come out the way I intended it to. I'm not the most eloquent person when it comes to the written language. So whats in my head does not come out very clear when written out. I skipped most English classes when in school as I did not think I needed to know what a dangling participle was to make it in life. LOL

There are still many cl posts about mmj for the Portland area.

Zildjian said:

Ideally what I would like to see happen is only allow a certain amount of people to grow for a certain amount of dispensaries for those that do not have a medical need or those that do not have growers for their meds (those on OMMP) so they can get their medicine. I would like to see those with OMMP get it at a set rate (discount) required for dispensaries to be able to sell to the general public.

As for the others keep it business as usual with growers that want to grow privately for their patients and themselves without a card for the grower; meaning anyone should be able to grow for themselves a set amount of plants without a card, but if want to grow more they need to be designated as a patients grower.

This way you can have it for people that want to make a business out of it, and for those that just want to grow their own and the patients are still being taken care of.

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My thoughts exactly.

Legalization efforts for recreational HAS to contain perks for the OMMP patients, growers, clinics, dispensaries -- they have to keep the medical folks on board because of the $$ factor for the state. Like you said, Govt wants their share of this cash crop, and they will lose a lot if medical disappears (and they will lose a lot of support too). I love the idea of discount rates for patients who can't grow their own. Maybe they increase the plant numbers for OMMP growers as opposed to recreational growers? (I'm not saying this is fair, we should all be able to grow as much as we want because IT'S A PLANT, but this might make make legalization more palatable for some).

I also think that prices will skyrocket here if legalized. Last I saw on the news, it was $75 an eighth, in CO Pot Stores -- YEOUCH! The price will adjust itself eventually, but I feel for the folks who are relying on the Pot Store for their meds.

I just want to make sure that OR's legalization efforts insure that everyone can keep growing, smoking, living, and there's no more prison time for this. I'd love it if they released all current MJ related prisoners and wiped their records clean, but I'm dreamin' on that one.

Zildjian said:

I also want to point out I'm very very baked right now, and none of what I stated may not make sense or not come out the way I intended it to. I'm not the most eloquent person when it comes to the written language. So whats in my head does not come out very clear when written out. I skipped most English classes when in school as I did not think I needed to know what a dangling participle was to make it in life. LOL

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A+ on content/grammar/organization.

You never would have skipped my classes -- I hated teaching grammar crap, and tried to make it as fun as possible when I was forced by administrators/dinosaur coworkers to do so. My favorite class was Summer School 10th grade English -- those kids were SO high, and fun. The students would whisper to me, "You should fuck with so n so -- he's really baked!" I got the sympathy giggles SO BADLY once (reading Act III of Julius Caesar, I think) that I was hooting with laughter, and had to go outside because *I* was the one being disruptive. Biggest stoner of the bunch chimes in, "Oh, real mature, Mrs K!" I wasn't stoned at the time -- just a goofball.

I loved those "troublemaker" kids. Probably the reason I'm not teaching now is that other people stomp the fun out of it, and want us to memorize dangling participles.

Silly String said:

A+ on content/grammar/organization.

You never would have skipped my classes -- I hated teaching grammar crap, and tried to make it as fun as possible when I was forced by administrators/dinosaur coworkers to do so. My favorite class was Summer School 10th grade English -- those kids were SO high, and fun. The students would whisper to me, "You should fuck with so n so -- he's really baked!" I got the sympathy giggles SO BADLY once (reading Act III of Julius Caesar, I think) that I was hooting with laughter, and had to go outside because *I* was the one being disruptive. Biggest stoner of the bunch chimes in, "Oh, real mature, Mrs K!" I wasn't stoned at the time -- just a goofball.

I loved those "troublemaker" kids. Probably the reason I'm not teaching now is that other people stomp the fun out of it, and want us to memorize dangling participles.

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I used to be a machinist at the Port of Portland ship yards until I tore my ACL, and MCL and had to get a desk job. It was not until then I realized how bad my grammar was (feedback from my boss) I have since tried to work at it. I still have major issues with proper sentence structure, and run on sentences. LOL The semicolon is my best friend when I am in doubt.

Zildjian said:

I used to be a machinist at the Port of Portland ship yards until I tore my ACL, and MCL and had to get a desk job. It was not until then I realized how bad my grammar was (feedback from my boss) I have since tried to work at it. I still have major issues with proper sentence structure, and run on sentences. LOL The semicolon is my best friend when I am in doubt.

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I used to be a blaster there.
Still have friends on hayden.
They cleaned up the meth problem
so I left. lol

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Tagh: Actually, you cant have any veg plants over 12 inches(tall or wide) or it is considered one of your mature plants.

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Anybody ever get measured? Have always wondered how the diameter is measured. From stem to stem, or fan leaf tip to fan leaf tip? Just curious.

Loonquawl said:

Anybody ever get measured? Have always wondered how the diameter is measured. From stem to stem, or fan leaf tip to fan leaf tip? Just curious.

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The best way to describe it is to take some clear plastic and build a box. Make the inside dimensions twelve inches deep by twelve inches wide by twelve inches long. Take the box and set it over the plant so it rest on the dirt, or where the plant comes out of the hydro pot. If any part of the plant touches the box it could be considered mature.