I'm Ready- Blue OG, White Lavender, OG #18, and Sour Kush.

This is an all Roots Organics grow this time. I upgraded to the RO potting soil. Last time I used bagged organic soil from local hardware/garden store and RO Grow and Bloom. Curious to see how the soil performs out of the bag. I'm not cooking it so I can see what the results are out of the bag.





BTW, the four plants used about 3/4 of a bottle of Bloom and 1/2 bottle of Grow on the last grow. These are quart size bottles at $15.95 local.

Is that all you added to your soil last grow?

hbbum said:

Is that all you added to your soil last grow?

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I hit it a couple times with blood and bone meal when I was really low. My last grow was just organic soil without amendments so I had to supplement in addition to the bottle nutes. Also used molasses after the 5th week flower.

Starting with a better base soil (Roots O Potting Soil) should help keep the plants well fed this time. We will see.

prosperian said:

I just want to get over 2.25 oz per plant. I don't mind vegging longer but the space is a big concern. I can only go so tall and wide. I hope the 5 gal geopot upgrade from 3 gal will help along with some version of LST-ing. I had great cola development last time. I'm not on a time crunch so I can really work the plants until they're ready for flower.

Definitely gives us a detailed thread if you go with the DWC. I want to know how you are getting 6 zips /plant with cfl? Use must be using one of those time-machine hoods that you fabricate yourself?

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That one that I just finished gave 2.71 oz, for the 2x2x3 1/2h space I was limited to, and could have given more if I had added the extra 200w before the last month of flowering.

Nothing puts a smile on my face like opening the closet grow and seeing my happy plants



Seven days from breaking soil surface. I gave them 1/2 dose of the RO Grow nutes. About 1/2 tsp for a 1/2 gal watering yesterday.


Headband (Sour Kush) Day 7

I have the cfls at 6" during the early seedling stage (3" during germination to keep soil warm). I move the cfls up tighter every day and then crank up the 400w Metal Halide at about 4ft. I will bring the HID in over several days to about 12" from canopy starting next week.


Blue OG Day 7

I get asked frequently, "how do I keep my plants bushy and with minimal stretch?" It's about light and maintaining the highest intensity throughout the entire grow. HID provides the strength but every inch between the plant and the bulb reduces the lumens. Keep it tight, that's my advice.

Plant symmetry (without trimming) is achieved by the rotation of the containers. I have already started with these seedlings. Daily 90 degree rotation clockwise of the cups and clockwise rotation of container every watering. Every part of the plant is being exposed to the strongest part of the light. No plant gets left behind!

Can't wait to get here!


Only trimming on these 3-gal plants was the bottom leaves by the soil. No LST-ing.

Have a great weekend!

I am stealing your wire rack method looks easier to adjust to the light then adjust the lights.

Very good set up

diet coke said:

I am stealing your wire rack method looks easier to adjust to the light then adjust the lights. Very good set up

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No problem man, that's why I post the pics. Take what you need, leave what you don't.

I agree. I don't like adjusting the light and having to mess with the ducts, wires, and ladder. But it's real easy to move the plant shelf. I can also get some fine tuning of my closet temps by moving the light fixture up and down, but that's only rarely done.

Good luck!

agree my light is also seldom moved, I stack my plant`s on book and remove em as needed, finally found a use for my old hugh Lexicon collection

and btw Im sure a upgrade to 5 gallon will make a different, specially if that also mean a few weeks more in veg

if I was to advice you, I would do them few week`s more of veg, and repot from the 3g to the 5g a week or two before you switch to 12/12

I always like to put them into a bigger container to flower, even if I know they won't use all the soil. I just compost all my soil reammend and use again anyways. I like to give them about 3 weeks to get over any shock and stretch into the new container and then do the 12/12 flip on her. I usually go party cup to start then to a 1 gallon then to a3 gallon and the final pot into a 5 or 7 depanding on how long she's been in veg and how long she'll be in flower. I know it's alot of Xplanting but if you're easy with them and use a good amount of mykos and E.W.C. with the Xplant I find they don't shock much if at all and they like the fresh soil and they seem to burst with every Xplant. I have a pretty extended veg compared to most, but I top and train quite a bit and just make bushes. I don't like to grow a whole lot of plants at once so I just grow them with bigger canopies and cut down on plant numbers. I have alot of time to do this so It's not a big deal. I was thinking about getting a Sunleaves Pioneer VIII to see how well I could do with some T5's. It has 8 4' 54W bulbs for 432W and 40,000 lumens, not a bad W to L transfer really. More lumens than a 400W M.H. and alot cooler and I can put it quite close. If I can get some pics up of my Blue O.G. I'll try to a little later Prosperian, let you know what the future holds. They're all looking happy and anxious to please though. out.

How long did you veg the plants in the pic?

I agree with you on the numbers of repot`s, look similar to what I usually do

and two nice things it also do for you is, you have a plant that is hard to over water, and you end up with a nice root net in the center of the final pot as weed do like to spread there roots out to the side and then down, if you start out in your final pot you wont really use 1/3 of the soil in the center of the pot, so to speak, and it will be hard to water untill you see run off and not overwater a small seedling in a 5g pot

and yes, do the repot carefully, have the new pot with soil ready and do it quickly and there will be next to no stress, I believe the "stress" people talk about is the few days after a repot where the plant do most of its grow under the soil

mycomaster said:

I have a pretty extended veg compared to most, but I top and train quite a bit and just make bushes. I don't like to grow a whole lot of plants at once so I just grow them with bigger canopies and cut down on plant numbers. I have alot of time to do this so It's not a big deal. I was thinking about getting a Sunleaves Pioneer VIII to see how well I could do with some T5's. It has 8 4' 54W bulbs for 432W and 40,000 lumens, not a bad W to L transfer really. More lumens than a 400W M.H. and alot cooler and I can put it quite close. If I can get some pics up of my Blue O.G. I'll try to a little later Prosperian, let you know what the future holds. They're all looking happy and anxious to please though. out.

How long did you veg the plants in the pic?

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Im the same, well atleast I am now, with both a veg "room" and flowering room, hell I have 8 week`s flowering, so why not veg/grow the seed for 8 weeks ?

can even start em in cup`s a week or two prior to harvest so I have 10 weeks and 8 week pure Veg

and I also like to do a lot of training and experimenting, is considering to top the one I have in veg now, I mean all the +8 top`s I have growing up to see if I can get multiply tiny top`s and get the 6 smaller top`s to catch up, I got +2 weeks to do it, just made the final repot so I guess I should wait a few days

and about the T5HOs, I can only advice you to do it, I don't have any experience with MHs (only HPS) but a lot with T5HOs and they are great for Veg, very little heat compared to HIDs and less power and they do deliver, veg plant`s "only" need 1/3 of flowering plants to do good, and if you only veg one or two at the time a small 2ft 6 or 8 bulb fixture would be great, even with 8x2ft tube`s you will only use like 200W or so, so if you have to Etc buy a new bulb soon anyway I would consider to make the swap and go for the T5s instead, Im happy with mine

Slipon said:

two nice things it also do for you is, you have a plant that is hard to over water, and you end up with a nice root net in the center of the final pot as weed do like to spread there roots out to the side and then down, if you start out in your final pot you wont really use 1/3 of the soil in the center of the pot, so to speak, and it will be hard to water untill you see run off and not overwater a small seedling in a 5g pot

and yes, do the repot carefully, have the new pot with soil ready and do it quickly and there will be next to no stress, I believe the "stress" people talk about is the few days after a repot where the plant do most of its grow under the soil

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Slipon said:

btw Im sure a upgrade to 5 gallon will make a different, specially if that also mean a few weeks more in veg if I was to advice you, I would do them few week`s more of veg, and repot from the 3g to the 5g a week or two before you switch to 12/12

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Cool, I can do that.

mycomaster said:

I like to give them about 3 weeks to get over any shock and stretch into the new container and then do the 12/12 flip on her. I usually go party cup to start then to a 1 gallon then to a3 gallon and the final pot into a 5 or 7 depanding on how long she's been in veg and how long she'll be in flower. If I can get some pics up of my Blue O.G. I'll try to a little later Prosperian, let you know what the future holds.
How long did you veg the plants in the pic?

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Good info, thanks. I ran a 4 week veg period on those plants in the pic. Definitely post the Blue OG pics when you can.

I can only take pics with my phone and then send them to my compute and then post them so it's a pain in the ass but I'll try and get them up. Thanks for the quick reply man. I really wish you had a pic of those plants that's not under hps they look so nice. Clean, tight, and right. You do good work. out.

if you only did run 4 week`s of veg. it will make a hugh different, last two week, if you do 6 they will add on a lot

like when you have seedlings it take some time for them to take off and double in size, but once that happen they will double in size agin even quicker, like "domino" 1 get to become 2 and 2-4 and 4-8 aso if you catch my logic

Here's the Blue O.G. she popped on 4-24. I've topped her twice so far for 4 tops now, which are just starting to take. I've also topped a lower nodes branches so they will maybe need support if I can't work them up a little harder. Sorry the pics aren't the best. She's beautiful for sure I like the structure and the plant overall, except she's just a little slow. I've been working her pretty hard though so that might be it, I don't like to super-crop, I'd rather just bend and twist and really beat that bitch into submission. Less chance of an infection or some shit from actually opening the stalk fibers to the environment. just personal preference, I think they actually recover quicker from super-cropping, but I'm not worried about time. Hope you guys enjoy the pics. out.

She looks beautiful Myco. Great job. My Blue OG was put in a riot cube on 5-19 and she's as tall as the other sprouts all ready. She was fastest to germ by far. I had a new toy come today.

Slipon said:

if you only did run 4 week`s of veg. it will make a huge different, last two week, if you do 6 they will add on a lot

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Yeah, the plan is to get up to around four weeks in the 3 gal and transplant to 5 gal. Let them recover for a couple weeks and then move into flower. Sound good? About 6 weeks veg this time.

mycomaster said:

Here's the Blue O.G. she popped on 4-24.

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Looks good. I'm thinking about topping a couple times to level out the top of the plants and doing some LST-ing. I will start this in a coupe weeks when I see the 4th - 5th node and have good root development. You're welcome to keep posting photos here so I can see how she develops.

GandalfdaGreen said:

My Blue OG was put in a riot cube on 5-19 and she's as tall as the other sprouts all ready. She was fastest to germ by far. I had a new toy come today.

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Thanks for sharing, keep those pics coming of the Blue OG. Looks like you will have a nice grow going there. Are those regular seeds or feminized? What's the specs on that fixture?

sounds like a plan, and two week`s more is also necessary IMO now that your going to do some training (top/FIM/LST)

Thanks for the invite to post some pics of the Blue O.G. every once in a while for updates. I'll try and let everyone know how it goes. Gandalf has the Tek Two pl-55 bulb 10,000L 110W fixture from H.T.G. I think if I could see the pic right. I want to get a hydrofarm 4' 8 bulb T5 fixture for $185 at hydrogalaxy.com, you can either have 4 or 8 bulbs going to cut down on juice when you only have seedlings or something. Plus you can daisy chain them and run them all on one timer. It has 40,000L at 432W, that's not bad at all considering my 400W M.H. don't put that out. Plus low heat compared to the hid, not so much when all 8 bulbs are running and right on top of the plants but still I can deal with the little heat it does produce with some fans and a vent inlet from my basement. I like to go for the 5th or 4th node as well, I think the roots are getting about right when it's there. If you top before that it slows it down really bad. I was doing some reading on the net and found some agromax T5 bulbs that are 10,000K and have uv-a. I would like to pick some up and throw them in my 4' T5's I have on the sides of my hood and see what they do when I flower this time around. I know I can't run them constantly,but I would like to run them on a digi timer and set-up cycles to run them and see if I can boost potency any. If anyone would know how long and how much to run them, please let me know. Looking good everybody, keep up the killer work all. out.

I agree with more veg time. Last time I was more in a hurry, first time and all. I was buying my bud, which is never fun when your spending over $1000 on equipment and seeds. Plus all my books said to expect a stretch of up too double my veg size. I actually only had about 6" of further height growth after the flip. If I had you guys watching my moves last year, I could of had some real beasts.

Are the HO T5 fixtures that much cooler? My room is running much hotter with the 150w of cfls than when I crank up the 400w hid. Obviously that's because my inline exhaust sucks the heat off the HID bulb very efficiently (cool tube).

Do the t5 fixtures need to be connected in the same manner as an HID fixture if you want the room to cool? Just wondering what's involved and if the trade off is worth it vs. just running my 400 with an MH bulb.