TacoMac
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Under 21 here you get arrested for minor drinking. It's illegal to drink here if you're under 21.
Impairment by cannabis' a factor in fatal Mill Woods crash, police say Social Sharing
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so you say and think..this aint AMERICA MR.. we;re fucked up here but notr as backasswards as some of the laws they push on you folks lol
I say it s pure BS and we shall see in court just how backasswards your thinking is...
....indeed! lol
VIANARCHRIS
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They should have charged him with a crime they can prove then - they decided to test the new impaired driving laws instead. Their mistake.
you know it
CalyxCrusher
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Just to play devil's advocate, that's not like Canada. At all.
TacoMac
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Well, according to the report, that is exactly what happened in this case.
CalyxCrusher
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See the part that says quote? And under that where you said if narcotics of ANY type at ANY amount are found in your system you go to jail.
Now see the part where I said thats not the same here?
TacoMac
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Again, that is exactly what happened.
The driver displayed signs of being impaired. They arrested him and had him tested. He tested positive for marijuana and was immediately charged.
Now, are you going to tell me that if he tested positive for methamphetamine instead of marijuana they would have let him go?
Or alcohol?
Or PCP?
Seriously? That's what you're saying?
VIANARCHRIS
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Why are you so obtuse? This driver KILLED someone - it wasn't a simple impaired driving suspicion.He didn't go to jail for smoking weed. They have not PROVED anything and it's likely the cause of the crash was distracted driving and cannabis played no part. He's still guilty of something, but they will never prove impairment.
What doesn't happen in Canada is "if narcotics of ANY type at ANY amount are found in your system you go to jail." Cannabis is legal and having a thc content in your blood does not indicate impairment. No one goes to jail for having drugs in their system in Canada...
TacoMac
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Why can't you read the facts?
Yes. He most certainly did.
Yes, it was. It was clearly stated as such.
Yes, he did.
Yes, they will.
But dream that little dream, buddy.
VIANARCHRIS
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I read the facts. Why can't you understand we have our own laws?
No it wasn't. A simple impaired driving charge does not involve dead bodies. It stated no such thing.
No he didn't. He went to jail for killing someone with his vehicle - they have no proof of cannabis impairment
No they won't. This isn't the USA. They are testing a new law that legal experts have said will be struck down as unconstitutional and in violation of our charter rights. Follow the case and see what happens - the impaired charge will be dropped and he will plead to "driving with undue care and attention causing death". There is a similar case in the courts right now for a local junkie who nodded off and killed a local jogger - they dropped the impaired charge within weeks and charged him with negligence causing death - and it looks like he's going to treatment instead of jail.
I don't need to "dream", BUDDY,...I'm not the one charged so how does it affect me? I'm just explaining how shit works here in the civilized world.
TacoMac
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You two do realize our laws are both based on the British Common Law, don't you?
Of course you don't.
Impaired is impaired. It's the same here as it is there. The man was OBVIOUSLY impaired. He was arrested. He was charged. He's going to have himself a nice, fair trial and be found guilty. If he's smart, he'll cop a plea and get a bit less time, but he's going to prison for a few years.
Of course you don't.
Impaired is impaired. It's the same here as it is there. The man was OBVIOUSLY impaired. He was arrested. He was charged. He's going to have himself a nice, fair trial and be found guilty. If he's smart, he'll cop a plea and get a bit less time, but he's going to prison for a few years.
TacoMac
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Actually, no. There isn't. Not when it comes to the law.
But you don't even know your own laws at all, or you would have cited them.
First off, you have the SAME EXACT LAWS on impairment that we do. If you're BAC is .08, you're impaired and get a DUI. Same here as there.
Even if you are cleared to use medicinal marijuana, if you are determined to be impaired, you still face criminal penalties. Same here as there. That's nation wide in both the United States and Canada. But just for you, here is Canada's standing law:
Medical Cannabis Users
If a police officer is satisfied that you are legally authorized to use cannabis for medical purposes, you will not be subject to Ontario’s zero tolerance drug requirements for young, novice and commercial drivers. However, you can still face penalties and criminal charges if a police officer determines that your ability to drive has been impaired. Even if you have been authorized to use cannabis or another drug by a health care professional, it is your responsibility to ensure you are not impaired while driving.
That's nation wide.
Here's Nova Scotia:
- Drivers cannot be impaired while operating a vehicle. This includes medical cannabis users and applies to all motorized vehicles including boats. Cannabis in any form cannot be used by passengers or drivers. You may be fined up to $2,000 for consumption in a vehicle.
- If you are suspected of impaired driving, you may be required to undergo a Standardized Field Sobriety Test (SFST). This involves coordination tests in combination with previously observed driving evidence. If you fail the SFST, a Drug Recognition Expert (DRE officer) may conduct additional tests at a secondary location to determine if you are impaired.
- After completing an SFST, if an officer believes they have grounds to lay a charge of impaired driving, your driver’s licence is immediately suspended for 24 hours. You must provide a bodily fluid sample and a charge for impaired driving is pending, subject to the results. If the results confirm impairment under the Criminal Code, a charge is laid and your licence is suspended for 90 days.
That is EXACTLY what the officer did. By the book.
The guy is going to prison for a while.
TacoMac
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No, I'm not. I never claimed to be.
VIANARCHRIS
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Why do you even try...? Our laws may be based on British Common Law, but that doesn't mean our justice systems are in anyway alike. Our judges are not elected, nor are law enforcement, our prisons are not a for-profit private industry and the judge determines if the guy is guilty, not the cop. There is no scientific, standardized level of thc that indicates impairment - it ain't alcohol. Our Canadian Charter Rights protects us from prosecution for something that cannot be proven and there is no way to prove impairment from cannabis. It will be 'negligence causing death' or something similar. He may go to prison for that, but it won't be for impaired driving. I've lived in this country for over half a century - I'm pretty sure I know the way things work here.