In the event of martial law, what will your first actions be?

canndo said:
Survivalists are rarely in touch with reality, they WISH things would fall apart but they wish they would fall apart in a particular way - and not in the way things actually do. Even in German occupied Poland the essentials were the same, tobacco, alcohol and ammiunition. In any lawless or oppressed situation when you have tobacco, alcohol and a means to protect yourself and your cache you can get anything else you need from sugar to beef to women.
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Don't forget a few good pot seeds too ;)

Food, clothing, medicine rope, etc, etc.
 
budlover13 said:
Don't forget a few good pot seeds too ;)

Food, clothing, medicine rope, etc, etc.
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Don't need any of that - not even the seeds.

During the cuban missile crisis my father along with everyone else rushed down to the markets to pick up canned food and water and batteries and the like. He saw that the shelves were clear of about everything except half pints and cigarettes. He spent all of his money on those, (I filched the half pints from his stash for YEARS afterward). When I asked him what his thinking was he said "if we all get blown up it won't matter, if we don't, I can trade 40 bucks in food for my two and a half buck half pint and twenty dollars worth of gas for a fifty cent pack of cigarettes". He knew what he was talking about as one of his principle duties in WWII was crossing enemy lines into France and procuring alcohol for his commanding officer and his men - in trade for sugar and beef.
 
canndo said:
Don't need any of that - not even the seeds.

During the cuban missile crisis my father along with everyone else rushed down to the markets to pick up canned food and water and batteries and the like. He saw that the shelves were clear of about everything except half pints and cigarettes. He spent all of his money on those, (I filched the half pints from his stash for YEARS afterward). When I asked him what his thinking was he said "if we all get blown up it won't matter, if we don't, I can trade 40 bucks in food for my two and a half buck half pint and twenty dollars worth of gas for a fifty cent pack of cigarettes". He knew what he was talking about as one of his principle duties in WWII was crossing enemy lines into France and procuring alcohol for his commanding officer and his men - in trade for sugar and beef.
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What i'm saying is that just a few pot seeds can start a crop and that crop is good as gold as well because so many people can use it for so many things.
 
NoDrama said:
Oh I see. A US Citizen owns all the water in another country, yeah sure, right. Take your medicine. He owns a farm there. Not all the fucking water.
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haha you don't believe in water rights? you don't believe an outside interest can buy water rights? haha

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edit: do you believe in food futures? or energy speculation? do you believe its legal for US congress to own annuities in US bonds? haha just because it does seem ethical or "right" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Almost all of Patagonia's water rights where bought by a power company, not to make hydro power but to put up power lines and ship coal based power to those parts. as a bonus they get to own a growingly pricier commodity (water) and the get to quelch the potential hydro power competitors.. as an american, in a capitalist society how do you not believe in that beautiful business arrangement?
 
cerberus said:
haha you don't believe in water rights? you don't believe an outside interest can buy water rights? haha

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I never said any of those things. I said that George bush doesn't own all the fucking water in the country of Paraguay. This is easily proved.

What you are attempting is called Strawman attacks, where you purposely change the subject to something else that is easily defeated and use it as your basis for argument. A logical fallacy.

Now i will do the same thing you did, only i will make it more obvious.

So you are saying that George Bush owns all the water in the world and that tomorrow we are all going to have to pay $40 for every gallon of water and that people who don't pay will have their intestines removed? You really believe that? Is that what you expect us to believe? You are a looney.
 
So, not only is the Bush family going to have a corner on oil and water but intestines too???

Say it isnt so!!
 
I will grease the rocking chair, fill up the cooler with beer and sit on my porch watching the fireworks.
I will also put up my sign I made just for this occasion twenty years ago.

WARNING XXXXXXXXXXXX
I shoot all predators & parasites on sight
And I shoot politicains twice
Once for being a predator and once for being a parasite
 
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Blue Gold : The World Water Wars is a documentary that documents the gold rush for water rights that is happening right. It covers the Bush family's role.
 
NoDrama said:
I never said any of those things. I said that George bush doesn't own all the fucking water in the country of Paraguay. This is easily proved.

What you are attempting is called Straw-man attacks, where you purposely change the subject to something else that is easily defeated and use it as your basis for argument. A logical fallacy.

Now i will do the same thing you did, only i will make it more obvious.


So you are saying that George Bush owns all the water in the world and that tomorrow we are all going to have to pay $40 for every gallon of water and that people who don't pay will have their intestines removed? You really believe that? Is that what you expect us to believe? You are a looney.
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your mistake, i didn't straw-man into an argument you didn't provoke. you said he didn't own it because he was an outsider "A US citizen owns all the water in another country" I am arguing THAT point, wether it's bush or Koche or any other billionaire is irrelevant to the point. you implying that its not the case because he is not Paraguayan, not that its not the case because you have factual knowledge someone else owns those rights..

Is that the case? who does own those rights? you said easily proven, prove to me who does own the water rights to Paraguay..
 
cerberus said:
your mistake, i didn't straw-man into an argument you didn't provoke. you said he didn't own it because he was an outsider "A US citizen owns all the water in another country" I am arguing THAT point, wether it's bush or Koche or any other billionaire is irrelevant to the point. you implying that its not the case because he is not Paraguayan, not that its not the case because you have factual knowledge someone else owns those rights..

Is that the case? who does own those rights? you said easily proven, prove to me who does own the water rights to Paraguay..
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I never once said, or implied that another citizen couldn't own the water rights in another country. I said that GWB, a US Citizen, does not own ALL the water in paraguay, I was replying to calicronic saying that Bush owns all the water rights in Paraguay. Which he doesn't, so go away and stop trying to provoke an argument on your complete misunderstanding of the debate.
 
you said he didn't own it, and your reason was because he is an america. my point is it doesn't matter what nationality he is.. now your getting all aggro and defensive because i asked, since you made the claim of how easy it is to prove, who own those water rights?

but the premise that it was a strawman tactic is wrong.
the assumption that GWB doesn't own the water rites because he's american is wrong.
 
cerberus said:
you said he didn't own it, and your reason was because he is an america. my point is it doesn't matter what nationality he is.. now your getting all aggro and defensive because i asked, since you made the claim of how easy it is to prove, who own those water rights?

but the premise that it was a strawman tactic is wrong.
the assumption that GWB doesn't own the water rites because he's american is wrong.
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Don't try to tell me what point I was trying to make. I know quite well what point I was making and it had NOTHING to do with sovereignty issues. Strawman some more buddy. George Bush doesn't OWN ALL THE WATER IN PARAGUAY, WHAT FUCKING PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?? ARE YOU 3 YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING?!!?!?!

I bet the Paraguayan citizens own a shit load more water rights than GWB does.
 
cerberus said:
you said he didn't own it, and your reason was because he is an america. my point is it doesn't matter what nationality he is.. now your getting all aggro and defensive because i asked, since you made the claim of how easy it is to prove, who own those water rights?

but the premise that it was a strawman tactic is wrong.
the assumption that GWB doesn't own the water rites because he's american is wrong.
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Dude.. You are smoking some really good shit over there.

Do you really honestly thing that GWB owns ALL the water rights to the country of PARAGUAY???

If so and you want in on that I will sell you the water rights to any other country you would like.

First off, it would meant that the GWB family paid cash for these water rights, you know... to the ENTIRE COUNTRY... Second... What could they do with them? The government could tell them to just fuck off!!

Now, it is much more logical to believe that the family or a corporation his family owns bought some sort of lease rights to land along with water rights. It might be a large portion of land and/or water rights but seriously... Who cares? Is it illegal for him to make money now? Why isnt anyone pissed off at Al Gore making millions on his phony global warming scams... Oh yeah, cause he hasnt been proven a complete fraud just yet.
 
the point is his premise for the argument; that GWB bush couldn't own it because he was not from paraguay. wether GWB owns them or some other multi national billionaire I could care less, my point is simple that his logic is absent in this debate. I'm staying on this argument because nodrama tried to suggest i was straw-manning his weak ass argument.

his quick decent into belittling is evidence of his weak stand.

so again: does GWB own these rights, who the fuck knows. but to say he doesn't own them because he is not from paraguay is false. further more your saying he doesn't own them because you don't think he does, but not because you have evidence he doesn't so I asked, who does? nothing but more belittleing..

and I'm the ignorant one?

I stand by my first point: all my guns got lost in a horrible horrible white water rafting trip..
 
cerberus said:
haha you don't believe in water rights? you don't believe an outside interest can buy water rights? haha

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edit: do you believe in food futures? or energy speculation? do you believe its legal for US congress to own annuities in US bonds? haha just because it does seem ethical or "right" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Almost all of Patagonia's water rights where bought by a power company, not to make hydro power but to put up power lines and ship coal based power to those parts. as a bonus they get to own a growingly pricier commodity (water) and the get to quelch the potential hydro power competitors.. as an american, in a capitalist society how do you not believe in that beautiful business arrangement?
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While i don't think this was intentional, and therefore questionable as a true strawman, i DO think the edit turned it into one imo.
 
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