In the making:homelessness

joepro

joepro

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I enjoy putting together dark short spoken word films.
listed on youtube under, djoepro.
So, I was thinking what is the worst thing that could happen to me outside of dieing or being very sick.
It's became pretty clear that I have a fear of being alone and homeless.
Since I live in a city, I have no shortage of bums hanging around.
So, I got to thinking that making a film would be a good idea.
Why are they homeless?
What got them into this position?
What do they think about us?(none homeless)
potus race? Iran/Iraq?
drug use/sex/food and other thoughts of life.

Some have said that there is only 1 america, no matter what position in life you might be in.

Ive been speaking with 10 people while filming in the last month.
What I have so far is a very sad and shocking american life style.
I need time to edit it down and add more questions,I'd say around 2 months and it should be 100% finished.
Just wanted to post what Ive been up too!
When ready I'll post the link.
 
ViRedd

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Some are mentally ill.

Some are addicted to various substances.

Most, when offered shelter, turn it down. They would rather stay out on the street chasing the dragon.

Vi
 
undertheice

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ViRedd said:
Some are mentally ill.

Some are addicted to various substances.

Most, when offered shelter, turn it down. They would rather stay out on the street chasing the dragon.
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there are as many reasons for homelessness as there are for any other situation. arbitrarily classifying an entire group based on the observations of a few is just as wrong as med's irrational hatred of the rich and just as unwarranted.
 
medicineman

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undertheice said:
there are as many reasons for homelessness as there are for any other situation. arbitrarily classifying an entire group based on the observations of a few is just as wrong as med's irrational hatred of the rich and just as unwarranted.
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Whats so irrational? I'm pretty sure most poor people don't look favorably on the rich. They never have since time immemorial, Did the serfs like the king, I think not, there are just a lot more kings, and I say Fuck em. Their time is coming, remember the eye of the needle thingy. You think you have the last word on subjects, but I see flaws in your reasoning just as you see them in mine, No-one is perfect, just some of are more rational than others~LOL~.
 
medicineman

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joepro said:
I enjoy putting together dark short spoken word films.
listed on youtube under, djoepro.
So, I was thinking what is the worst thing that could happen to me outside of dieing or being very sick.
It's became pretty clear that I have a fear of being alone and homeless.
Since I live in a city, I have no shortage of bums hanging around.
So, I got to thinking that making a film would be a good idea.
Why are they homeless?
What got them into this position?
What do they think about us?(none homeless)
potus race? Iran/Iraq?
drug use/sex/food and other thoughts of life.

Some have said that there is only 1 america, no matter what position in life you might be in.

Ive been speaking with 10 people while filming in the last month.
What I have so far is a very sad and shocking american life style.
I need time to edit it down and add more questions,I'd say around 2 months and it should be 100% finished.
Just wanted to post what Ive been up too!
When ready I'll post the link.
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Joe, I watched a few of your videos, pretty dark is right. I see you have talent and also like old cars/trucks. I have a 500hp 62 nova ht, a project that I may get the energy to finish some day, maybe I'll post a pic. Geeze that crackhead taking a dump ended my watching, that was gross.
 
ViRedd

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undertheice said:
there are as many reasons for homelessness as there are for any other situation. arbitrarily classifying an entire group based on the observations of a few is just as wrong as med's irrational hatred of the rich and just as unwarranted.
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I agree that there are many reasons ... I posted two of them. Two of the major ones ... mental illness and addiction problems.

Vi
 
joepro

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Henry is a vet who is 44 yrs old.
He has been homless since 96'
Known on the street as 'fisher king.'
In 94' his family(wife and 2 boys)was killed in a car accident .
He made a good living and lived in the suburbs and came from a large family.
Within 2 years he lost everything and hit the streets, where he became a heroin junky and drunk. In and out of jail and lost all contact with any family or friends.
....He battles mental illness/addicted to wine: VI called it, not one person that I spoke to didnt have a mental problem.Yes, long term drug use can lead to mental issues.
 
medicineman

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joepro said:
Henry is a vet who is 44 yrs old.
He has been homless since 96'
Known on the street as 'fisher king.'
In 94' his family(wife and 2 boys)was killed in a car accident .
He made a good living and lived in the suburbs and came from a large family.
Within 2 years he lost everything and hit the streets, where he became a heroin junky and drunk. In and out of jail and lost all contact with any family or friends.
....He battles mental illness/addicted to wine: VI called it, not one person that I spoke to didnt have a mental problem.Yes, long term drug use can lead to mental issues.
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And thanks to that cunt Ronald Reagan, they closed all the mental hospitals where these poor souls could find refuge from the streets. I do have a vested interest in the mentaly ill. my stepson that was raised by his wealthy father untill he made him fucking crazy and gave him back to his mother where he belonged in the first place when he was already twisted at 17 is a real schizophrenic. The anguish this poor soul endures would have already made me take my life on to greener pastures. He has good days and bad, the bad are really bad. He fell down his condos stone stairs last week, they found him unconscious at the bottom of the stairs, Man it's a miracle he didn't break anything but he was plenty fucked up. I've seen biker stompings that didn't look this bad.
 
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undertheice

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medicineman said:
Whats so irrational? I'm pretty sure most poor people don't look favorably on the rich. They never have since time immemorial, Did the serfs like the king, I think not, there are just a lot more kings, and I say Fuck em. Their time is coming, remember the eye of the needle thingy.
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i doubt that those of the poor who are trapped in a cycle of self-pity look favorably on anyone who can afford more than they can. that is, after all, the segment of the population you are championing, those too wrapped up in their own failure to worry about anything more than their own imagined entitlements. all this drivel about serfs and kings is the sort of overblown rhetoric we have come to expect as prelude to some half-baked socialist scheme to free us all from ourselves and, coincidentally, it's why we love you so.:mrgreen:
 
ViRedd

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medicineman said:
And thanks to that cunt Ronald Reagan, they closed all the mental hospitals where these poor souls could find refuge from the streets.
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What Med has posted above is nothing more than a lie that has been told so often, that its now taken as truth. That dupes like Med actually believe this crap, and repeat it endlessly, is positive proof, and a glaring example, that the progressives and the useful idiots following them are plainly ignorant of history. Either that, or its an excellent example of the lengths they will go to discredit one of the greatest presidents the country has known.

Ronald Reagan served as governor of California between 1967-1975.

In 1969, The ACLU sued the State of California's mental hospital system and won, making it illegal to hold anyone in a mental hospital against their will. As a result, the mentally ill were released into the street and upon society in general. As the population of the institutions decreased, some hospitals were closed. As of this date, five of California's twelve institutions have closed, with another one possibly to be closed soon.

In other words, thanks to the ACLU and their fellow travellers, it is against the law to place people in mental institutions against their will. Again, as I said before, most of the homeless on the street want to stay on the street and chase the dragon.

Just more unintended consequences of the "progressive" do gooders.

Here's to ya Med:





Vi
 
Dankdude

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Vi in the 1980's a lot of the Mental Hospitals were closed do to Budget Cuts under the Reagan Administration. Metropolitan State Hospital in Norwalk California was one of them.
 
B..

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it should be illegal to hold anyone in a mental hospital against their will.
 
undertheice

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B.. said:
it should be illegal to hold anyone(?) in a mental hospital against their will.
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then what do you do with those lost souls who are incapable of coping with the realities of day to day life, those that are a danger to themselves and others? it's another of those slippery slopes that we should be able to deal with through common sense, but seem to be incapable of dealing with at all. by politicizing the legal implications, we have cast adrift many who really need help. it's an unpopular subject, so the government's answer (over-medicating and warehousing those they see as mentally unfit) is merely a way of sweeping it all under the rug.
 
greenhorn08

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Homeless in america are fucking retards (the non mental ones). They are lazy and cant deal with life or the system it runs on. Nothing is interesting about them. If you want to know what its like to be one just stop showering and dont do anything responsible. Then you will understand and realize that they are scum and no one gives a fuck about a bumb nor a movie about them.
 
Dfunk

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What about the single mother who just got laid off not because she wasn't a good worker, but because the company couldn't afford to keep her. Now she has to take her kids & live in a car because she is being kicked out of her apartment. You should think about what you say before you go off on some egotistical rant - it could happen to you. Spend a day feeling the pain & sorrow of this world & I bet you won't feel very well.
 
ViRedd

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Dankdude said:
Vi in the 1980's a lot of the Mental Hospitals were closed do to Budget Cuts under the Reagan Administration. Metropolitan State Hospital in Norwalk California was one of them.
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Did you read my post, Dank?

Mental hospitals are STATE run. Ronald Reagan was no longer governor of Commiefornia in the 1980s. And of course SOME of the hospitals were closed. The mentally ill were let out after the ACLU lawsuit in 1969. Camarillo State mental hospital was closed a few years ago and is now a very attractive state college campus.

What would you have the state do Dank, just leave the vacant buildings to rot? :roll:

Vi
 
ViRedd

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Dfunk said:
What about the single mother who just got laid off not because she wasn't a good worker, but because the company couldn't afford to keep her. Now she has to take her kids & live in a car because she is being kicked out of her apartment. You should think about what you say before you go off on some egotistical rant - it could happen to you. Spend a day feeling the pain & sorrow of this world & I bet you won't feel very well.
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There are always exceptions to the rule. That woman you speak of has options.

1. Family and friends.

2. Her Church. The Catholic Church has shelters for homeless mothers with children. Other churches probably do too.

3. Private charity. Salvation Army is my favorite.

4. Government charity. Last resort because the government puts WAY to many restrictions, is to inefficient places to many strings on things. Toxic mold in the FEMA trailers, anyone?

If all these fail, and assuming she is of sound mind and not a meth addict, there is always the possibility of another job.

Vi
 
Dfunk

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I agree with you somewhat, but if all those fail & another job is weeks or months away what should she do then???
 
ViRedd

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Dunk said:
I agree with you somewhat, but if all those fail & another job is weeks or months away what should she do then???
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Again, there are private charities like food banks, shelters, etc. Churches take in women with children too.

Check these sites out:

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html#california

http://www.artistshelpingchildren.org/shelters.html

Here's a site for a Catholic charity that takes in women with, or without children. The Catholic Church has these all across the country:

http://www.mnip-net.org/Cambridge/CambridgeRDB.nsf/ec7f9243c0ae947385256e41000d9c88/66bf95e09410709985257383005bffb7!OpenDocument

Look at this ... I entered Jewish charities for homeless women and here's what came up:

Results 1 - 10 of about 33,200 for jewish charity for homeless women with children shelters

The Web is full of sites like this. A women in the straits that you described can take a simple trip to the local library, sit down at the computer and type into Google: Homeless shelters for women with children. That's it.


You know, the so called "Progressives" like to paint a picture of gloom and doom. They tell us that people are starving in the streets in this country. No way! There are tons of charities set up for people in need ... if they just ask for it.


What would YOU do in a similar circumstance ... say if you were a woman with children and no place to live?


Vi
 
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