Pimpjuice9906
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Correct but what about the low ph on the runoff? I feel like the plants are stunted somewhat. By far the smallest autos I've ever grown
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Pimpjuice9906
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Two plants. Pics of lower growth showing problems and a couple of upper foliage pics.
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Hollatchaboy
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So, imo, it seems you're trying to do a living organic soil grow, am I wrong?
If so, there no need to measure ph or ec(ppms), in fact you don't want to water to runoff because you wash out all the broken down nutrient and microbes.
Hollatchaboy
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They're hungry.
Hollatchaboy
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Stems look nice and green, you don't have a ph problem, imo.
Pimpjuice9906
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Upper leaves are extremely dark green. You don't think there's a toxicity or ph imbalance? I truly believe there's a lockout happening due to ph or toxicity
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Hollatchaboy
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Leaves are dark, but I don't see burnt tips, or clawing, so I wouldn't guess toxicity.
From the pics, I don't see tips pointing up or down, or any leaf twisting, so I wouldn't guess ph.
You're growing in soil, so it'll buffer the ph as long as you aren't adding bottled nutes, or large amounts of dry amendments.
I still think she looks a lil hungry, but that's just my opinion. We'll see what some others think. I'm definitely open for more opinions, as well you should be, but don't do anything drastic yet.
Phytoplankton
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Truly, I think this is a good grow in search of a problem. The plants look fine, rely on the plants, not the electronic toys. The few leaves that you're losing are old fan leaves, they have a finite lifespan. As long as the sugar leaves aren't suffering, and the new new growth looks good, let it ride.
Pimpjuice9906
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Got you. I ordered the lime and oyster shell flour already. Arriving tomorrow.
Budzbuddha
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^^^^ this .
I was quietly lurking and was gonna give my 2 cents , first …. Those lower ugly leaves are old fans as stated. Once they become damaged , they will not recover - so I say clip them off.
Also , zero reason to check runoff. If you are “ controlling a reasonable amount of feed “ , runoff numbers are moot. If you feel , they are stunted - that is because of your feeding. They look pretty good. Remove the ugly shit and carry on. Top dress takes time to breakdown so if you keep loading more and more without it being exhausted , then that where your high numbers come from. Autos just need simple things , not constant high feeds or baking soda or whatever broscience is out there. It’s just a stupid plant.
It literally would run off the medium alone upfront ( without feed ) for a few weeks THEN it might need a feed bump becahse it exhausted some of the medium. It’s really that simple.
If you start adding baking soda or some other crazy shit like that - you are sure to screw up this plant.
Just water the thing temporarily- No nutes - nothing.
‘Let the plant try to work thru excess. If it doesn’t then , problem was from your hand.
I was quietly lurking and was gonna give my 2 cents , first …. Those lower ugly leaves are old fans as stated. Once they become damaged , they will not recover - so I say clip them off.
Also , zero reason to check runoff. If you are “ controlling a reasonable amount of feed “ , runoff numbers are moot. If you feel , they are stunted - that is because of your feeding. They look pretty good. Remove the ugly shit and carry on. Top dress takes time to breakdown so if you keep loading more and more without it being exhausted , then that where your high numbers come from. Autos just need simple things , not constant high feeds or baking soda or whatever broscience is out there. It’s just a stupid plant.
It literally would run off the medium alone upfront ( without feed ) for a few weeks THEN it might need a feed bump becahse it exhausted some of the medium. It’s really that simple.
If you start adding baking soda or some other crazy shit like that - you are sure to screw up this plant.
Just water the thing temporarily- No nutes - nothing.
‘Let the plant try to work thru excess. If it doesn’t then , problem was from your hand.
Pimpjuice9906
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I gave them simple water today ph'd to 6.8. A little lst and that's it. The last pots received 5 cups of water.
My only concern, it appears to be migrating upward.
I agree autos don't need much. It requires the user to simply not screw it up.
I'll keep a close eye on them.
Pimpjuice9906
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@Budzbuddha Youve always provided great insight. I appreciate it beyond words.
what are your thoughts on the curled top growth. I just watered. Should I be concerned?
what are your thoughts on the curled top growth. I just watered. Should I be concerned?
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Budzbuddha
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You will be fine.
Budzbuddha
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Do you have a fan moving air across the canopy ?
Pimpjuice9906
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Yes there's 2 of the ac infinity oscillating fans fixed to the vertical poles and one on the ground for airflow under the pots.
Pimpjuice9906
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@Budzbuddha @Phytoplankton @Hollatchaboy @Jjgrow420 The medical background in me had to test baking soda at .75 tbsp a gallon on 2 plants. Did not seem to get better. Lets see what it do.
Hollatchaboy
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In soil, any changes occur slowly, so you might not see anything for a couple days.
I still don't think you had any real problems, but your plant, your choice.
Budzbuddha
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Ok … wasn’t gonna say Pee …. But yeah PEE.
Pimpjuice9906
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@Hollatchaboy @budzI entered this grow with the mindset of learning how to diagnose problems and their interventions. I experimented with 2 plants to see how they react compared to the others. I read baking soda is short term fix and you really cant screw it up.
lets see what the outcomes are related to the interventions
lets see what the outcomes are related to the interventions
