Inda-gro Induction...

Hey Hyroot! Apples and Oranges here bro. Inda-Gro sources products for their lights from all over the world, not just China, and the entire fixture from the boards to housings are built in the USA.

In my quest to get aways from HID and to find the most productive, energy efficient, long life lights for growing I have always kept the LED option open. And there have been improvements but whats most interesting is the recent position by China on how they plan on expanding their market directly aimed at the indoor cannabis grower. The Chinese manufacturers are just now beginning to put pictures of their fixtures in with cannabis grows.

Check out Sara Zhangs Facebook page. Sara is the Cidly Manager in China, and not to hard on the eyes either, where you can obviously see her posting up product pics showing cannabis being grown by their lights. Until very recently I've never seen any Chinese company show their products being used for the promotion of cannabis growth. Promoting their products for the growth of any 'illegal' drug meant life prison sentences or even death. This was never taken lightly by any Chinese manufacturer and even references to cannabis were strictly forbidden. But that decision to advertise in less than ambiguous tones is changing and that change will affect every hydroponics shop in the world as they lose some indoor grow light market share to Chinese direct purchases of these LED panels to the (probably- I'm just guessing here) small percentage of their customers who buy grow lamps and/or these LED panels to grow cannabis. These are the very hydroponic shops that kick you out of the store if you even mention weed. And whats truly worth noting; it's forums, like many here on RIU, that discuss the members having the benefits and successes of their LED grows that will propel the end user into the waiting arms (perhaps even Sara's) of the Chinese LED manufacturer since their products are, with all the pics and science on their website proves to them in their minds that this LED panel has been built specifically for growing cannabis.

http://www.facebook.com/Apolloledlights/info

Once in this gallery hit the next button and you'll see all the Cidly/Cannabis images @

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=267145683390840&set=a.135208683251208.23299.100002862325469&type=3&permPage=1

Cidly actually spends alot of effort on their site extolling, I believe that's whats being said here, the virtues of converting entire greenhouses to LED panels since HID is not energy efficient and LED produces the exact spectrums the plants need so why waste energy on spectrum's that are not absorbed by the plant. Read it here for yourself whereby they explain very specifically how all other technologies are completely inferior and obsolete, only 10% effective when compared to the 95% effectiveness of theirs and LED lamps in general. Hmmm growing for 20 years...I guess I have not yet sampled the Cidly Cool Aid.

http://www.cidly.com/?page_id=142

So there is change afoot in how the Chinese manufacturers plan on bringing their products to the cannabis grower. Glossy or attempted glossy websites will not suffice. Case in point; check out the spectral distribution graph for 'plant growth' near the bottom on the left of this page;

http://www.cidly.com/?page_id=217

My interpretation of that graph is that the red/far red flowering spectrum's are 100% (and somehow climbing) of the plants photosynthetic action spectra. Complete and utter bullshit! And for what? To sell a light that when it does not deliver the failure will be blamed on growers skills or prove difficult for the newbie to gauge in comparison to previous grows under different 'less energy efficient' technologies as they won't have much history to base a comparison. There are other obvious flaws on their website relative to plant photobiology but for me to point them out means they'll only fix them so I'll leave it unsaid. Perhaps Hyroot who has past experience and a factory direct relationship with Cidly which I presume allowed him prior to purchase access to actual Cidly/Cannabis gardens that can assist them in making these corrections after taking a closer review of their technical specs. It would be doing them a favor which I'm simply not willing to do.

But its not just Cidly that has changed position and begun advertising actual cannabis grows to the end user. Here are two more Chinese mfg's I happened across on Ebay that now advertise their lights expressly for cannabis growth and show the buds to 'prove it'. There is little doubt in my mind that this is going to open a flood gate of Chinese manufacturers taking the new marketing position that they must show their products in Cannabis specific indoor grows. To the uninformed this new direction in Chinese marketing will make the LED option seem to be the smart viable choice as they pitch that their hydro shop doesn't support LED lights sales since it cuts into their recurring revenues and profits from the sale of high wattage HID relamp sales, hoods, vent kits, etc etc etc.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/280942700742?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=280942700742&_rdc=1
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Seller-1-Year-US-Warranty-Free-Shpping-120w-165-watt-6-Band-LED-Grow-Light-/230840188242?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo=SIC.NPJS&its=I&itu=UA&otn=5&pmod=280942700742&ps=63&clkid=1505755142866923238

So it really is up to the forums and experienced growers to prove up fair and critical comparison analysis's regarding their experiences with different technologies (including plasma) and brands. Proof will always be in the completed grows, journals and pics. Perhaps Cidly or any other LED manufacturers who care to do so, will make available to us a Best of Breed single panel to do a real comparison grow as a veg-flower from a single panel. I nominate Spiff if he's willing and that King Kong panel by Cidly with it's 100+% veg and flowering spectrum would have my vote for the side by side.

Until then; Apples and Oranges bro!

Petflora, Checked out your pics and some others. You all seem to be doing well with your t-5s and I didn't realize that aquarium bulbs were so much better than regular grow bulbs.dude you kinda bit off a lot when you compared your garden to Spliffs. Are you growing in hydro bro? If so that is another comparison that we all should take into consideration. Hydro tends to grow faster and harder buds but we all know that soil grown meds have more flavor and burns better. Also,are you and the t-5ers using chems or organics. Are you using things like Humbolts Own Gravity(a flower hardner)? I'm not hating just asking ?s so I have a better understanding of how you all are getting things done. We all have different standards and run different strains and use different technics and nutes so until we have a perfectly ran side by side with no human error and same nutes/temps/mediums/ and every thing else it's kinda just a big pissing match and we all seem to have full bladders




Hyroot,
No need to call names bro. IMHO .5 grams per watt for HPS is not a great number.not bad but not up to par for some people. There is a point to disscuss regular t-5 grow bulbs vs indagro. I'm glad you have found a energy saving way to grow meds that works for you. As far as NOW RENEMBER TO READ THE WHOLE POST thing,are you trying to be somebody's dad or something?That came off like you have some issues,not saying you do but that's how it came off to me. I don't thnk any of us are kids and to post things like you guys are assholes kinda makes you look like the .....btw just cause you have been a pro at organics since 1994 (self proclaimed I assume) doesn't mean that much. I don't think it would be right for Buck to post HPS photos in an indagro thread,maybe that's way he doesn't post pics. Not sticking up for him,just my thoughts.
P.S. smoke another bowl and chill out

On me phone so wasn't gonna explain my situation but u hit the nail on the head farmer its an inda-gro thread not a hps I don't like combing big threads sometimes.. if u have sick t5 bud pics post em not send me on a goose chase.. 475 pages come on lol and I agree again farmer organics v hydro everybody would

chazbolin said:

Hey PetFlora...You raise some good points and LED panels have been making strides. Picking up the broader spectrums comes at a cost and bin coding is not reliable. For those reasons I stay with phosphors but do think the reputable LED mfg's will have a place at the table as the spectrums and intensities improve. The China direct crap will lure the uninformed with low price promises of immortal grow greatness. They will not have done the homework you have and they will be disappointed with the returns. In factoring even the most advanced LED panels however I think they will always be hard pressed to cover the 420's footprint with an even broad spectrum throughout that footprint at anywhere near the cost of a single 420. Perhaps you will prove me wrong but that has been my experience.

As to coverage this garden is coming along nicely. It's not my garden and I would have set the six 420's up a bit differently but the early results are certainly looking good. Room temps are hanging 78F with just ventilation. These pics show the first day on the flip. More to come....

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Quick followup to yesterdays post. Got the ok to post up images of the project at 3 weeks of veg with yesterday being the first day it flipped to 12/12 and running the following strains;

Blue Dream
Platinum OG
Hash Plant
Athena Kush
Fire OG
Louis the 8th
El Diablo OG
San Fernando OG
Abusive OG

More to come

Buck123 said:

On me phone so wasn't gonna explain my situation but u hit the nail on the head farmer its an inda-gro thread not a hps I don't like combing big threads sometimes.. if u have sick t5 bud pics post em not send me on a goose chase.. 475 pages come on lol and I agree again farmer organics v hydro everybody would

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Thats a contradiction its and inda gro thread not hps so show your not inda gro pics. No goose chase. Directed you there t several places. Just more excuses.

The Ganga farmer said:

Petflora, Checked out your pics and some others. You all seem to be doing well with your t-5s and I didn't realize that aquarium bulbs were so much better than regular grow bulbs.dude you kinda bit off a lot when you compared your garden to Spliffs. Are you growing in hydro bro? If so that is another comparison that we all should take into consideration. Hydro tends to grow faster and harder buds but we all know that soil grown meds have more flavor and burns better. Also,are you and the t-5ers using chems or organics. Are you using things like Humbolts Own Gravity(a flower hardner)? I'm not hating just asking ?s so I have a better understanding of how you all are getting things done. We all have different standards and run different strains and use different technics and nutes so until we have a perfectly ran side by side with no human error and same nutes/temps/mediums/ and every thing else it's kinda just a big pissing match and we all seem to have full bladders




Hyroot,
No need to call names bro. IMHO .5 grams per watt for HPS is not a great number.not bad but not up to par for some people. There is a point to disscuss regular t-5 grow bulbs vs indagro. I'm glad you have found a energy saving way to grow meds that works for you. As far as NOW RENEMBER TO READ THE WHOLE POST thing,are you trying to be somebody's dad or something?That came off like you have some issues,not saying you do but that's how it came off to me. I don't thnk any of us are kids and to post things like you guys are assholes kinda makes you look like the .....btw just cause you have been a pro at organics since 1994 (self proclaimed I assume) doesn't mean that much. I don't think it would be right for Buck to post HPS photos in an indagro thread,maybe that's way he doesn't post pics. Not sticking up for him,just my thoughts.
P.S. smoke another bowl and chill out

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I said read posts. Because you guys keep posting about reg t5 when several times we explained that we dont use those bulbs. So obviously the posts were not being read.

.5 gpw is 19 zips of pure indica in a 4x4 1068 watts. Master kush. Thats dam good. If it were a sativa it probably would have been twice that. Same strain under t5. Pulled 12 zips in a 2x4. If it were 2 t5 it would of been 24 zips in a 4x4.

I said organic pro and barely have mis haps because you guys called out pet for having fuck ups. Mine didn't so you could see ones the were perfectly healthy and doing great.

Chaz. I dont go by what they recently changed their site too. I have been talking with reps for months prior. They sent me all kinds of info. Even spd's on each diode. They drive theirs to 2.4 watts and the IR to 0.8 watts. Thats more than any other led company. I asked them if they could do so many different things. Some they said they could but it would not be wise or others they would have to dial down the MA on chips. So they would not fry. I know thats vague. But the point of that is great customer service. Too long to go into detail.

Hyroot what are you politician? Vague???? I gave you a shit pile on Cidly and you said nothing dude. Go troll the LED boards. I'll know where to find you.

chazbolin said:

Hyroot what are you politician? Vague???? I gave you a shit pile on Cidly and you said nothing dude. Go troll the LED boards. I'll know where to find you.

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You gave me shit. Just opinion . Some links didn't work and some did. You gave your impression of them. Not fact.

I wanted to use some more blue led. But they run higher MA than the rest. So they would dial down the other chips otherwise they would all fry. Then if I used IR chips, one im each corner module that would drop 20 watts per panel because the IR chips are driven at 0.8 watts. I asked about 5 watt single chips. They said they have not developed the tech to drive them as high watts without frying them. The other companies with 5w chips have dual 3w inside each chip. They are driven at 2 watts each. Dual chips lasts half as long as single chips. The apollos are driven at 2.4w. So more efficient.

How is that trollin? I never once talked shit on any lights. Never said one is better than the other. Just defended t5 and pet when you guys were the ones talking shit. Spliff and pet are the only ones being civilized here. Im just calling out all the hippicrits..... If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

Im not promoting cidly. Im not asian. I live in cali. I was just explaining why I chose cidly and why I think its better than the rest. I even said that I am debating on whether or not to go inda gro or more led. I even like fero and black dog and californa light works. But way to expensive for me.

Blackstar, area 51, htg, a bunch of british companies, etc... Get their lights from cidly. I would rather go through the manufacture and pay less than get rebranded ones for 2 or 3 times as much.

Hyroot,
You have some nice pics and I give you props for not following the herd and finding an hps alternative that works. But just cause you get better results with t-5s vs hps doesn't mean the same for everybody else. And for the record I didn't call out PET for bugs or fuck ups or whatever so maybe you should read the posts better also. To be honest this is my first time on any kind of forum and it seems weird to be defending your t-5s on an indagro thread. Dude it's a forum full of stoners,some legal and some not so just take it for what it is and nothing more. Different strokes for different folks. Happy growing

hey all. just wanted to post a few pics of my veg area. i use the insert that came with my 5x10 tent as the base for the plant area, under the lights - which is a pair of Inda-Gro Pro-200-PARs. they are hanging 5 feet from the ground, and about 20 inches above the canopy.



what you see there, ladies and gents, is 400 watts vegging the hell out of a 50 square foot area. i presume that 8 four foot long t5 tubes of any spectrum, no matter how strategically positioned, would fail to illuminate this much of an area this well, and be able to provide that much plant growth in a uniform manner. oh, and those 8 four footers will clock 32 more watts than this.

by the way... what we have here is my Blueberry in the 7 on the left and the White Rhino in the 7 on the right. between them near the wall is the Qrazy Train in a 3 and the Cannatonic is in front of her in a 2. i've also got 2 Raspberry Kushes to the far left, one is minicropped to fit in a cubic foot. to the far right is a 2nd White Rhino pheno and some of the lil babies.

by the other way... the Mendo Purp came down tonight. i got the Cannatonic moved into the center on the left side of the tent now. i can't wait to get the AO and WF down next... woot for getting one of the 420s in veg then!

400 watt veg lol...

Would love to get some final numbers on your yield Spliff when you get there... Veg area looks great!

Spliff,
Veg room looks great and plants look very happy. Raspberry kush,blueberry,crazy train and white fire are all super good strains and would like to take a stab at them some day. Do you know the parentage of the blueberry?I love me some blue. When I was younger I knew some one that grew the best blueberry,seriously the best high ever, not to mention the taste. Looking forward to more pics and smoke reports when all is complete. Happy trimming

Nice pics Spliff...........So do you see any signs of light deprivation on the lower canopy at those heights?? Is the current distance due to environmental factors(heat) or are you keeping it this high for coverage??? keep up the great job

^^blueberry is usually an Afghani crossed with a sat/blue sat

PSUAGRO. said:

Nice pics Spliff...........So do you see any signs of light deprivation on the lower canopy at those heights?? Is the current distance due to environmental factors(heat) or are you keeping it this high for coverage??? keep up the great job

^^blueberry is usually an Afghani crossed with a sat/blue sat

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The lamp the canopy spacing looks perfect for the area coverage and photosynthetic uptake. Nice and healthy. When I flip to flower is when I move the lights to within 24" of the canopy and finish the last couple of weeks at a foot.

If limited space and heat is an issue, a while back I did an entire run of Blue Dream in soil setup in a 5 gal bucket. Went with a 5 week veg and 8 week flower and netted 124g dry. Just a thought should Spliff wanna try this out for himself since with his techniques and experience with the 200's I'm thinking he can pop a g/w. Ohhh the possibilities....

Splifferous said:

hey all. just wanted to post a few pics of my veg area. i use the insert that came with my 5x10 tent as the base for the plant area, under the lights - which is a pair of Inda-Gro Pro-200-PARs. they are hanging 5 feet from the ground, and about 20 inches above the canopy.

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what you see there, ladies and gents, is 400 watts vegging the hell out of a 50 square foot area. i presume that 8 four foot long t5 tubes of any spectrum, no matter how strategically positioned, would fail to illuminate this much of an area this well, and be able to provide that much plant growth in a uniform manner. oh, and those 8 four footers will clock 32 more watts than this.

by the way... what we have here is my Blueberry in the 7 on the left and the White Rhino in the 7 on the right. between them near the wall is the Qrazy Train in a 3 and the Cannatonic is in front of her in a 2. i've also got 2 Raspberry Kushes to the far left, one is minicropped to fit in a cubic foot. to the far right is a 2nd White Rhino pheno and some of the lil babies.

by the other way... the Mendo Purp came down tonight. i got the Cannatonic moved into the center on the left side of the tent now. i can't wait to get the AO and WF down next... woot for getting one of the 420s in veg then!

400 watt veg lol...

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The plastic pipe stand is well thought out and constructed, nice touch! My outdoor grower's test is coming along well, I will try to post here soon.

Great show.

hey everyone and thanks for the compliments

as for final numbers, i am prepped for the tally, just waiting on the MP to dry up... also gotta get a room prepped for drying duty for when the rest come down... so far the MP is taking up a closet with no room for anything else to hang in there.

the Blueberry is a pure DJ Short Blueberry. i got her from a close friend that has been a medical grower for 5 years, and this is his favorite Blueberry pheno of the 6 he's ran in that time. the White Rhino in the 7 is also from that same friend, and his pick of the WR out of about the same size herd. i also have a Blue City Diesel going outside now; it's going to be nice to have the 2 side by side.

i haven't sen any light deprivation in veg, but i honestly think that the mylar on the floor helps with that. i went for that lamp height because it looked appropriate for the area, and the plants respond very well to it. if you start with the light a bit too high, the plant will hurry into the sweet spot, but then once it gets there, it tightens up the internodes and increases it's overall metabolism. i can typically see when this occurs with my girls, and so i try to keep the light at about that height. soon i'll be putting a 420 in there, and so either the footprint, intensity, or both will be increasing dramatically.

Chaz, for the BD in the 5gal run, did you use a 200? you make me curious.

Hey thelightstuff! thanks and welcome! i'm glad that the Flower Initiator's pvc "tripod of power" pleases you as well; it was the result of a self imposed $10 budget at Home Depot. aside from what you see of it, there are also 3 two-foot pieces of rebar that i used to anchor the pipes to the ground.

Hey Spliff. I did use a Pro-200-PAR on that run and yes it will flower. For a small 3 x 3 with 1 or 2 plants keeping it around 30-40" it's ideal. Give it a try if you have a spot where you could run it through a full grow. I think many who are into trying low wattage LED panels for these smaller grows will be interested to see the results and the area of coverage from a single 200.

On another note; I'll be posting pics up as this grow develops. This is a 20 x 25 room within a licensed dispensary here in So Cal that is 215/420 compliant, under the 99 plant limit and not too far from where I live. In meeting them I found them to be not only great guys but experienced growers who love the 420's for their clinics quality med's.

Day 3 Flower Update: The beautiful girls are already pistiling hard after just turning them over on Monday




This following picture shows the one area they were short a 420 so they ran a single 8 lamp T5 VHO. You can see the T5 plants are shorter, show more internodal stretch and the canopy is uneven. Comparing the stalks between the T5 and the 420's you can also see some of the T5 plants leaning over from an earlier foliar spray that under the 420's all of the plants are self supporting and there is no lean. Should have used T5 aquarium lamps I guess. Next update will show all 420's and this area should catch up.

I agree with chaz, I am very interested in seeing what a 200w par can do in flowering. It would be great to see it here, the one stop shop for indagro info. Let us know if thats something you might be able to do in the future.