India Grower's Thread

braddaheee

Active Member
i dunno i kind of enjoy the hunting, but i can understand a lot of people who'd prefer to have the
game served in a bottle, just easier and a good solution if you don't have the time or patience.
your plants look like they're suffering from the same thing a lot of mine used to suffer from
early on - smallness. lol you might want to check if the soil is too compact, also if there's too
much organic matter it'll cake when it's dry...too much nutrients will prevent the plant from
growing large roots and thereby inhibit mycorrhizal growth as the mycorrhizae aren't required
to pull nutrients out of the soil and convert them to a useable form. roots may grow long, and
the visible root mass might be decent, but there's a lot of root that's really hard to see...thin
strands that exponentially increase root surface area...when the roots stay small and nutrients
are readily available and the plant is receiving enough light at its current distance from the
light source, the plant really has no reason to grow big, it goes against the entire evolutionary
concept of size being an advantage. basically, if you're getting everything you need, in abundance,
why change the way things are going? the plant will put more energy into non thc/bud production
plant activities. believe it or not, balancing the nutrient availability in the soil such that it's not
scarce but not readily available is what triggers maximum plant growth. roots expand to find nutrients,
mycorrhizae become active and form a symbiotic relationship with the roots, etc. roots get bigger
and you get a bigger plant. now the plant is getting enough light and the roots are large, mycorrhizae
are densely spread all over the roots, why should the plant grow bigger? because the large plant is
utilizing more nutrients than a small one would and as a result, the roots grow. and then as a result,
the plant grows. rambling shortened, don't overdo the organics. give the plant a long enough break
between watering. the roots stretch out to find more water when the medium is less dry than ideal.
if you're growing organic, and you're making the soil, you have to play nature's role, unless you play
it close enough to the real deal the plant's not gonna be close enough to the real deal

ElChupacabra


ps : mate in the first post your plant looks overwatered...
i'm not good at distinguishing between over and under watered in pictures alone...need to feel the
leaves...
Hey my bad man.. this past week has been completely fucked for me, so I couldn't really come on here.
Yeah, for sure my soil is more on the compact side. I did add a lot more perlite in my latest transplant, and the consistency is better and way lighter. One thing that kinda tripped me out tho was how my small plants wanted to bud really early.. like 3wk to a month from seed, I think. You think maybe theyre some foreign strains? My current big female and the last big male seem pretty different.. They were in the same soil, but growing pretty well and not tryna flower as early. I think my main problem was the soil consistency, but I'm not sure why the small guys was budding so soon?
This might sound stupid.. but what do you think about using Rose fertilizer in flowering? I got some cause its NPK is 4 8 16. I also use certain amounts of micro nutes, Bahaar all purpose plant food, banana peels, egg shells, depending on stage of growth. My soil mixture consists of some Ratanshi's Cow manure, Biogro, Green Gold. I appreciate you're input Elchup! Seems you really been doing ur homework and growing some crip buds when I read ur posts!

Heres some pics of my girls from maybe a week ago.. since then, Ive put stakes n strings for support and the big girl is now over 2ft tall, 21in wide. The one in the black pot was starting to look real nice n bushy. Nicer than the big one at that age. Unfortunately.. my Mom knocked it over by accident and it died :(
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I really gotta order and also get more of these Indian strains going SOON!
 

braddaheee

Active Member
Thanks for the help guys. Specially the part which said that is possible to harvest one cola at a time coz the top colas weren't fully ripe but the middle ones were and I was really confused. It got really sunny and warm later and that dried the plant up nicely.
Also, anyone ever used bajaj organic shakti fertilizer? I've grown plants from start to finish with that shit and some bone meal during flowering. That could help improve the texture of your soil braddaheee. Just thought I'd share.
I think I get all the good stuff in the Bajaj Shakti from my Ratanshi's Green Gold and Bio Gro. I got a bottle of micro nutes, too. I'd still grab some if I see it in my area, tho. Thanks!
 

elchupacabra

Well-Known Member
okay i'd tell you a couple things to start off... i have a very strong opinion on this and have received lots of criticism for this view, but more positive than negative so here goes.

if you're using chemical nutrients, you're wasting your time and energy using anything organic in your mix. cow manure, banana peels, egg shells - those are all excellent, if you've got a healthy organic soil mix with a decent diversity of microflora and microfauna. if you are using any sort of chemical fertilizers, there's almost no point in using things like banana peels or egg shells or, to a large extent, even cow manure, as most of those things require bacteria/fungi to break them down and supply the necessary nutrients in a useable form to the plant. if you're using chemical nutrients (i've seen bahaar and bajaj shakti, not sure if they're chemmy or organic though) then there's almost no point in putting any of those organic materials into the soil...by the time they've broken down with the help of a greatly diminished microherd, your plants will be out and gone.

while i personally don't use chemical nutrients, apart from as a trial and comparison or as a control of sorts, as i don't like the concept and have fallen in love with organic taste over chemical yields, most growers in the world advocate its use, you'll find a lot more hydro and chem growers than organic. out of the 'organic' growers, most will use their 'organics' in the form of bottled nutrients. maybe it's just my head but somehow that's just not the same as putting the physical whatever it is in the soil and letting it break down. probably psychological though ;) but basically, if you're going chem go chem, if you're going organic go organic. the two don't go together, waste of your time and energy mixing them. : )

if you are going to continue using chem, my advice in the future is to pick up a bale of coco peat (you get compressed coco peat bales which weigh 10kg anywhere from 80 bucks to 250. in the end it hardly fucking matters cause you mix it with about 30 litres of water in a tub or a barrel or something and wind up with about 50 to 60 odd litres of coco peat. mix that with no more than 20% perlite (even that's wayyyyy too much by my opinion but most growers seem to advocate usage of a shitload of perlite for some reason, so it can't be too bad - personally i feel 3-4% is enough, especially with what seems to be a really hot summer coming....you could try different ratios see what works for you). the perlite can be replaced with sand in a pinch. people say the type of sand matters, that's pretty much whale shit, you can use construction sand, beach sand, whatever fucking sand you want to use. you will need proportionately more sand than perlite though, probably 1.5 cups sand if the same mix requires 1 - 1.2 cups perlite.

if you're growing organic, ditch all of your chemical nutes and just grow your plants in a mixture of vermicompost coco peat and perlite in a 4:10:1 ratio respectively. mix in about a teaspoon to a tablespoon of bone meal for every plant thoroughly with the soil prior to transplant. don't overdo the bone meal, the results are devastating...alkaline soil, excess calcium leading to iron lockout, excess phosphorous leading to limited root and mycorrhizal growth, and excess bones leading to all kinds of rodents and critters coming for the smell and ravaging your plants in the process...less is more, don't overdo anything...always better to put less than more...it's hard to burn with organics, but certainly very very far from impossible.

i write long answers so that others reading it may have their questions answered as well. sometimes you need an immediate answer, if it's there somewhere it helps. : )

best vibes

ElChupa
 

braddaheee

Active Member
Yeah man, I'm trying to keep it str8 organic! I use the micronutes once in 3 weeks. The Bahaar smells similar to Superthrive, but no where near as potent. I'll call the store n find out what it consists of..
So you think I should go Coco over soil for oganic? I got 5kg Coco(1 plant?), Bone meal, Biogro, Bhumi Labh Bio Organic fertiliser, Green Gold, Manure, Perlite.

Biogro(package description)- Biogro is a concentrated power packed organic plant food made up of several organic origin raw materials like Leaf mould, Poultry litter, Horse and Cattle refuse, Vermi compost and blended with plant materials and humus.
*Neem fractions control the activity of soil pathegens
*Imroves porosity and water holding copacity
*enhnces growth of soil microflora
*No residual toxicity in final produce
etc..
100-200 grams per plant

GreenGold Organic Plant Food- NPK 2 2 2. Green gold is a complete plant food which ensures that the plants receive the essential nutrients they require. It releases them at a steady rate over long periods encouraging growth of everything in your garden. (Dude at the store said can use this in all stages of growth)

BHUMI LABH Bio Organic fertiliser- 100% natural product. Being rich in humus and organic nutrients it enriches the soil by promoting the growth of microbial life Thereby providing you with healthy vegies, flowers, fruits, bla bla...
Organic matter 40-50%
N: 2-2.5%
P: 2-2.5%
K: 1-1.5%
Cal: 1.5-2%
Mag: 0.5-1%
Sulphur: 1-1.5%
Iron: 1000-1200 ppm
Zinc: 150-200 ppm
Manganese: 150-175 ppm
Copper: 35-40 ppm
Boron: 2-3 ppm
Molybedenum: 1-2 ppm
Humic acid: 8-10%
Total micro organisms count 3-4 bllion gram.
Best used as a side dressing along rows of encircling plants.

I guess I could use either the Bhumi Labh or my Biofarm organic NUTRI(liquid Micro nutes) since they both the seem to consist of the same stuff.

How you think I should do this? So far I been mixing 80gram Biogro, 80gram Green Gold, 1/8 Manure to soil on transplant. Feeding Mirco and Bahaar mixture every 3 weeks.
It would be cool to do one coco and couple soil grows in my next run. Elchupacabra, if you can bro.. let me know what you think would be good proportions from the items above?
 

braddaheee

Active Member
My plant has been kinda goin to shit recently.. I mean the tops n new growth is nice, but I been having these white spots since my friend first got me the plant. They never seem to completely go away and all the fan leaves got crisp n fucked, so I pulled em off. More leaves are starting to go crisp, browinsh yellow and white spotted. I been seeing wut seems like mites on the leaves. I keep trying to wash em off(even each leaf!) or use pesticide, but the bastards keep coming back.. like almost instantly! I think I might be screwed when she really starts budding :(
 

kingfisher021

Well-Known Member
My plant has been kinda goin to shit recently.. I mean the tops n new growth is nice, but I been having these white spots since my friend first got me the plant. They never seem to completely go away and all the fan leaves got crisp n fucked, so I pulled em off. More leaves are starting to go crisp, browinsh yellow and white spotted. I been seeing wut seems like mites on the leaves. I keep trying to wash em off(even each leaf!) or use pesticide, but the bastards keep coming back.. like almost instantly! I think I might be screwed when she really starts budding :(
mate I started with 4 plants, fed only one of them with nutes I bought from GG an that is the only plant out of 4 that didnt do well, i think the problem could be nute lockout, might have been caused due to improper ratios of all the nutes you have been using?
 

braddaheee

Active Member
Well, I think the plants I had before this mainly got f'd due to the consistency of the soil plus a lil too much nutes. As for my current plant.. it was from a friend. It was initially in some nasty extra sticky red dirt and not doing so well. It already had cpl bug bites and white spots when he brought it. I transplanted to a pot with my soil(not as sticky, but still kinda compact) and manure. Even thru that, she grew pretty well, but the fan leaves always looked kinda droopy compared to the nodes for some reason. The tiny white spots also always showed up in the new growth. When it got big enough, I transplanted it to a light mixture, with plenty more perlite. Weekly cleaning and fumigating of the area didin't stop the mites and white spots. I'm thinking they could be leaf minors or just mites from that shit soil it first came in. Could also be the Summer weather.. I never had em in my last grow.
 

braddaheee

Active Member
I'm looking to buy some seeds soon, but can't make up my mind on what to get.. You guys try any of these strains? Thoughts on which would be best suited for this hot, muggy climate? Most reliable seed banks off this list?

3-5 PACKS:
Mandala Kalichakra
Mandala Satori
Sannies Jackberry
Sannies NYCD
DJ Short Azure Haze
Mr. Nice Black Widow
Dr. Greenthumb Iranian G13, or Iranian Auto

PICK N MIX:
Humbolt Seed Org Blue Dream
Cali Connection OG Sour Diesel
WOS
Kwazulu
WOS Auto NL X Big Bud
Barneys Morning Glory
Barneys Acapulco Gold
Barneys Pineapple Chunk
Barneys Amnesia Lemon
Female Seeds
Lemon Kush
Female Seeds C99
 

braddaheee

Active Member
Nobody?? Im leaning towards getting a pack from Sannies or Mandala, plus doing a pick n mix. I've read mixed reviews on Barneys Farm tho.. anyone try their gear?
 

elchupacabra

Well-Known Member
if you have place to veg, i'd strongly recommend sannie's jackberry, mandala's satori, and mandala's kali chakra...sannie's jackberry is the most viable and forgiving of all his strains, mandala's strains are forgiving in general and require much less nutrients than most strains...mr.nice black widow, like all of his strains, is TOP NOTCH. the nature of black widow means that it will require care in this environment. I'd suggest you get his Walkabout pack...lots of beautiful and varied genetics, a lot cheaper, and makes more sense for those who haven't yet got a relatively flawless recipe for success...

the description of your problem sounds as though the problem was pH related...also if your growing organic and your plant is suffering from any deficiencies, it's unlikely to recover from any pest related damage until the deficiencies are sorted...
post some pictures so i can confirm and identify the problem, if you had an issue and lost a plant and learned nothing from it, it was a complete waste...

my strong advice as of now would be to ignore the additives you have. start your seeds in a mix of coco, perlite, and vermicompost or any sort of compost in a ratio of 7 : .5 : 2.5. That's more than enough for your plants' needs in the seedling stage...don't ever add anything to the soil mix unless you know EXACTLY why you're adding it and what effect it will have on your babies. You need to have patience and knowledge to grow organically, that is one thing that separates it from chemical growing in terms of method. When you transplant your plants, transplant them into the same mix of media (coco perlite compost) but in the ratio of 6: .5 : 3.5, and add in a spoonful (not a heaping spoonful) of bone meal into your mix for every 10 litres of soil. bone meal can ruin your grow in large quantities and the problems won't show up until your plants are halfway through flowering. be careful with it...you're adding the bone meal for the phosphorus the plant will need during flowering. this is enough to do a good grow. see how this works for you, and then on your next grow, start working with additives. try ONE at a TIME on half of your plants. this will give you something to compare with. you know how the plants should perform with the simple mix of coco perlite compost and a bit of bone meal, so when you add something else to the mix you can see if it improves things or worsens them. if you have lots of plants (20+) you can test multiple additives at once by maintaining a control group of 5 plants and trying one additive for another set of 5, one for another set of 5, and so on.

best vibes

ElChupa
 

braddaheee

Active Member
Thanks man! I've decided to go with Sannies for this time. I'm now also interested in their Kronocaine, Herijuana, Kolossus, and cpl others.. but as of now, I def got Jackberry at the top of my list after what u said. I'll try mail those guys too for more info.

As far as my plant goes.. yeah, no idea bro. I'd take a pic, but my PC is all fawked up rite now and wont read my SD card.. I sprayed it with a Kashmiri chilli solution I made, then for some reason.. the next day I decided to use some Aloe while I was transplanting my Aloe vera plant lol. I figured it cant hurt and might help with some shit or the other. I made a solution and brushed it over and under all the leaves n stuff.. and mixed the remainder with water and hit the soil. Somehow, the plant had no white spots on the newer growth the next day(unless I just didnt see it previously) but she was looking quite healthy overall and hardly any mites.
As for the PH.. I jes use filtered water. I figured these plants grow all junglee in the city anyways and proly not so PH sensitive. My last male plant of the same variety did well under the same conditions. And the plant that my Mom recently killed was starting to look great in new soil mix with same water. But yeah.. Idk what it is.. disease, PH, or what.. all I know is that I seen these problems since my friend 1st brought it over, and it was in some bullshit soil n conditions b4 I got it. Its mainly 2 things.. 1)Tiny white spots on the leaves. 2)First leaf or 2 of each node tends to wither. Those leaves I noticed always have more mites. I'll do what I can, but not worry too much about it at this stage.

I never used a PH meter, and won't be getting one anytime soon, since Ima broke dick ATM lol. Where I'm originally from, tap water is drinkable and only probs I remember having was too much nutes. I think I'll be good with Bislery for my Sannies grow. Ill also get some greenhouse type or insect netting and build something to house some plants.. also, clean the SHIT out my whole balcony and frequently. Thinking I'll do 4 Sannies and 3 of these Indian strains. For some, I'll try the ratios you gave me. For others, I'll use my new soil mix. Should be interesting! Oh yeah.. I'll proly only have enough indoor equipment for couple weeks support from seedling, then throw em outside.. Hopefully I can get more lights n stuff by then, tho.
Hows ur plants doing, bro? What strains you got going?
 

braddaheee

Active Member
^Looks good

Arite guys, so I just got da load of seeds from the South, so won't be buying any online for this time.. They supposedly off some dank shit like mango and somethin else.. These babies str8 up sprouted in less than a day and are ready to roll! I kinda f'd up tho lol.. I didnt realise, but I put like 30 to germ cause I got used to the process of throwing in a bunch of seeds and only expecting a few to crack.. Well, turns out ALL 30 of em germinated LOL! I've planted em all, but guarantee gotta give some away later, since my area can only accomodate 12-13 plants. Some will be males too, so shouldn't be so bad.. I'm stoked! Can't wait to see these babies take off!!!
 

Pratik922

Member
Hey guys, I planted a total of 5 plants in my balcony in the first week of January, they were bag seeds, sativa, good stuff. I'm using coco coir + perlite mix for soil and Fox Farms hydro nute line. The trees are pretty healthy, have grown almost 3 ft (after LSTing and stuff). I'm just wondering when do they start to flower? In theory they should start flowering after June 21st, right? I'm at 19 lat, if that matters.
 

elchupacabra

Well-Known Member
Hey guys, I planted a total of 5 plants in my balcony in the first week of January, they were bag seeds, sativa, good stuff. I'm using coco coir + perlite mix for soil and Fox Farms hydro nute line. The trees are pretty healthy, have grown almost 3 ft (after LSTing and stuff). I'm just wondering when do they start to flower? In theory they should start flowering after June 21st, right? I'm at 19 lat, if that matters.
first of all, the latitude you're at always matters when you're growing outdoors.

secondly, i think it's safe to say that anywhere beyond 25 degrees latitude in the northern hemisphere, very very few plants will flower on june 21st. this is the longest day of the year, i.e. the most hours of sunlight. not sure where your 'in theory' information comes from mate but 'in theory' most cannabis strains should flower after receiving 12 hours of darkness, which happens around the inhabited parts of the globe on september 21st, everywhere. 99% of attitude's (or any seedbank's) strains will be more than willing to flower under 10-11 hours of darkness as well. this means that at 19 lat, given that temperatures and climate comply, as far as light goes, you can flower MOST strains that you can purchase online throughout the year. not sure where you are and how much temps/climate restricts you.

your indian sativa seeds do not fall under this 99%. They will likely start to flower around september and finish up by around jan/feb. they flower long and they grow big. if you have the space for a 2-3 metre tree (around 4-5 feet wide since you're lst'ing) and have enough nutes for that long a flowering period then continue growing them. If you do not have the space for this, i strongly suggest you cull your indian plants now rather than have to cull them later.

unfortunately, you may have started your plants a bit too early and as a result you will have some massive plants. this is a happy problem if you have the space.
 

Pratik922

Member
first of all, the latitude you're at always matters when you're growing outdoors.

secondly, i think it's safe to say that anywhere beyond 25 degrees latitude in the northern hemisphere, very very few plants will flower on june 21st. this is the longest day of the year, i.e. the most hours of sunlight. not sure where your 'in theory' information comes from mate but 'in theory' most cannabis strains should flower after receiving 12 hours of darkness, which happens around the inhabited parts of the globe on september 21st, everywhere. 99% of attitude's (or any seedbank's) strains will be more than willing to flower under 10-11 hours of darkness as well. this means that at 19 lat, given that temperatures and climate comply, as far as light goes, you can flower MOST strains that you can purchase online throughout the year. not sure where you are and how much temps/climate restricts you.

your indian sativa seeds do not fall under this 99%. They will likely start to flower around september and finish up by around jan/feb. they flower long and they grow big. if you have the space for a 2-3 metre tree (around 4-5 feet wide since you're lst'ing) and have enough nutes for that long a flowering period then continue growing them. If you do not have the space for this, i strongly suggest you cull your indian plants now rather than have to cull them later.

unfortunately, you may have started your plants a bit too early and as a result you will have some massive plants. this is a happy problem if you have the space.
Makes sense, I just thought that as the monsoon started to go away and the days started to get shorter, the plants would flower, but yeah, I get it now. I do have the space so I guess I'll keep em. Btw, what would have been a good time to plant? around May? Thanks for the help. Oh, and, I'm in Maharashtra, roughly 200 km northeast of Mumbai.
 

elchupacabra

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Makes sense, I just thought that as the monsoon started to go away and the days started to get shorter, the plants would flower, but yeah, I get it now. I do have the space so I guess I'll keep em. Btw, what would have been a good time to plant? around May? Thanks for the help. Oh, and, I'm in Maharashtra, roughly 200 km northeast of Mumbai.
so i'm guessing then that your photoperiod fluctuates between 13/11 and 11/13? if that is the case then it is not tooo different from mine, and foreign strains will flower any time. how cold does it get in the winter? planting in may will still get you quite a large bush ;) i planted in september and wound up with a 5 feet tall plant, supercropped multiple times, ready for harvest anytime in march, depending on your taste.
 
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