Info needed on SCROG setup

Thanks for that so I guess I'll have to veg and lst. I understand the topping process so should I top and fill screen along with lst or just lst? And if I veg for 10-12weeks when should I top?

deza said:

Thanks for that so I guess I'll have to veg and lst. I understand the topping process so should I top and fill screen along with lst or just lst? And if I veg for 10-12weeks when should I top?

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Well if you read the except you top just above the 2nd true node (the water leaves don't count as node 1) which is strain, method, environment dependent on how fast your plant grows, not particularly on how many weeks, generally week 3-6 but thats solely in my experience with my plants in my setup.

Just because if you let it go say 8 weeks and the plant is huge, you then decide oh yeah let's top it (at the second node, thats waaay down near the base), that's going to be a lot of wasted energy (not to mention time) the plant has used in building the 1 main stem when that time could have been used developing those 4 main stems.

Usually you use LST in combination with topping anyway so top first then tie the 4 side branches down roughly 90* to the soil, so the main stems grow kind of like a '+' shape

I generally LST my 4 main cola's (after topping) to the edge of the pot and the rest of the training is done with the screen in the way we've described previously

Matchbox sometimes I wish I had a neighbor like u to call over and show me first hand lol.
I know how to top for two colas but 4 colas? I'm having trouble trying to find out what the second node looks like so I can get the + and 4 main branches.

Do you know any videos I can lean this from? I learn soo much easier practical lessons than theory lol. I get confused when I read into things

deza said:

Matchbox sometimes I wish I had a neighbor like u to call over and show me first hand lol.
I know how to top for two colas but 4 colas? I'm having trouble trying to find out what the second node looks like so I can get the + and 4 main branches.

Do you know any videos I can lean this from? I learn soo much easier practical lessons than theory lol. I get confused when I read into things

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yeah sometimes it is easier to be shown things, I learn very visually so pictures are fine so long as they back up some text, but I have a mate who lives nearby that I'm now on par with as far as skill and we just exchange techniques and that

this is how you top for 4 cola's...
you know where the first set of leaves come out with 3 blades? this is node 1.
where the first 5 bladed leaves come out, this is node 2.

you see the main stem in this pic this is where you chop, cut the main stem ONLY, just above node 2.

It's like topping for 2 colas just you cut at the next leaf set (or node) up.

As for videos just go on youtube and search, how to top.

i feel as though any training pre-screen height is just more growth slow-down. get to your screen fast, with supple new growth, and begin ScrOG'n. while others are waiting for topped/LST'd plants to bounce back, you will be weaving your magic. it really comes down to what you enjoy. you'll develop your own style.

scroglodyte said:

i feel as though any training pre-screen height is just more growth slow-down. get to your screen fast, with supple new growth, and begin ScrOG'n. while others are waiting for topped/LST'd plants to bounce back, you will be weaving your magic. it really comes down to what you enjoy. you'll develop your own style.

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good point, but if you don't know what you enjoy yet, you gotta try everything, I did anyway XD

all my scrogs start with a topping or super crop then string then tie down then when it cant be tie down i put a pice of 2x3 wire 2'x2'( if need be i have holes
around the rim of my bucket to tie it to ) on top just as it starts flowering and tie back tops to keep it even

Thanks for that explanation matchbox I'm going to follow it for sure and jump on YouTube for topping techniques

Matchbox said:

yeah sometimes it is easier to be shown things, I learn very visually so pictures are fine so long as they back up some text, but I have a mate who lives nearby that I'm now on par with as far as skill and we just exchange techniques and that

this is how you top for 4 cola's...
you know where the first set of leaves come out with 3 blades? this is node 1.
where the first 5 bladed leaves come out, this is node 2.

you see the main stem in this pic this is where you chop, cut the main stem ONLY, just above node 2.

It's like topping for 2 colas just you cut at the next leaf set (or node) up.

As for videos just go on youtube and search, how to top.

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So to get 4 main colas I have to cut the main stem itself that's attached to the 1nd node aka the top crown?
which in turn will make the lower two nodes or 5bladed leaves to four branches?

deza said:

So to get 4 main colas I have to cut the main stem itself that's attached to the 1nd node aka the top crown?
which in turn will make the lower two nodes or 5bladed leaves to four branches?

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yes chop the main stem as you would for 2 colas just an extra node up (as per the photo) and the side shoots will get the extra hormones and take off (turning into the 4 main branches)

Matchbox said:

yes chop the main stem as you would for 2 colas just an extra node up (as per the photo) and the side shoots will get the extra hormones and take off (turning into the 4 main branches)

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So the earlier I do this the better yeah? Should do it around week 5 if I plan to veg for 10?

Generally speaking yes, don't do it by weeks grown, unless you want a bigger top to clone. Do it basically a week after the 2nd true node has developed, some people top as soon as the 2nd node develops with good success too but it's risky with the fragile baby side shoots imo.