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TheDizzyBizzy

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VIANARCHRIS said:
"The NDP want to decriminalize and let it just be a plant" What does that look like? I heard Mulcair say the NDP is for decriminalization so people aren't burdened with a criminal record for smoking marijuana. It will still be illegal and it will simply be a revenue stream for police forces and an intimidation tool for the cops. .
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Sigh.

Decriminalization, by its very definition, means criminal charges are removed. Therefore it's not a revenue stream for cops, because there is nothing they can arrest people for. So once again, you're just making nonsense up that anyone with a dictionary knows is wrong.

This is the problem with political party hacks of all kinds, you're no different than the typical Harper clone, which makes sense, since Justin is a Harper clone.
 
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Gmack420

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TheDizzyBizzy said:
Sigh.

Decriminalization, by its very definition, means criminal charges are removed. Therefore it's not a revenue stream for cops, because there is nothing they can arrest people for. So once again, you're just making nonsense up that anyone with a dictionary knows is wrong.

This is the problem with political party hacks of all kinds, you're no different than the typical Harper clone, which makes sense, since Justin is a Harper clone.
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Jt is Harper in new clothes.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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TheDizzyBizzy said:
Sigh.

Decriminalization, by its very definition, means criminal charges are removed. Therefore it's not a revenue stream for cops, because there is nothing they can arrest people for. So once again, you're just making nonsense up that anyone with a dictionary knows is wrong.

This is the problem with political party hacks of all kinds, you're no different than the typical Harper clone, which makes sense, since Justin is a Harper clone.
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Decriminalization means paying a fine not going to jail.
A fine or ticket is an immediate revenue source.
There really is no perfect candidate either way. If jt wins everyone will be expected to buy mass produced lp shit and if the ndp wins every time a cop smells weed his dick will get hard and he pulls his ticket book out.
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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TheDizzyBizzy said:
Sigh.

Decriminalization, by its very definition, means criminal charges are removed. Therefore it's not a revenue stream for cops, because there is nothing they can arrest people for. So once again, you're just making nonsense up that anyone with a dictionary knows is wrong.

This is the problem with political party hacks of all kinds, you're no different than the typical Harper clone, which makes sense, since Justin is a Harper clone.
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SIGH! Put down the bong and think before you bitch out somebody's post. Here is the definition of decriminalization. It's American, but same shit different pile. Read the whole article at the link below if you want...and then comment, Using your own reasoning, it would appear Mulcair is the 'Harper clone'.

Marijuana Decriminalization Explained

To be clear, decriminalization of marijuana is not the same as legalization of marijuana. Decriminalization means that a state repealed or amended its laws to make certain acts criminal, but no longer subject to prosecution. In the marijuana context, this means individuals caught with small amounts of marijuana for personal consumption won’t be prosecuted and won’t subsequently receive a criminal record or a jail sentence. In many states, possession of small amounts of marijuana is treated like a minor traffic violation. States that have decriminalized marijuana include Alaska, California, New York, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oregon, and much of the Northeast.

California's decriminalization statute is a good example of how possession of small amounts of marijuana can result in an infraction and fine, but not in criminal consequences:

Except as authorized by law, every person who possesses not more than 28.5 grams of marijuana, other than concentrated cannabis, is guilty of an infraction punishable by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars ($100).

Only about a third of states have decriminalized marijuana. Even in these decriminalized states, possessing larger quantities or selling marijuana have significant potential penalties. Therefore, you still need to be aware of the criminal laws in your state. If you are arrested for marijuana use or distribution, you should consult a qualified criminal defense attorney.
And now legalization.
Recreational Marijuana Legalization
Basically, the legalization of marijuana means you can't be arrested, ticketed, or convicted for using marijuana, if you follow the state laws as to age, place, and amount for consumption. However, you can still get arrested for selling or trafficking marijuana if you aren’t following state laws on licensure and taxation. For example, black market marijuana is still sold in Colorado despite legalization and is still illegal.
- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/marijuana-legalization-and-decriminalization-overview.html#sthash.zAbLSEGa.dpuf
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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torontoke said:
Decriminalization means paying a fine not going to jail.
A fine or ticket is an immediate revenue source.
There really is no perfect candidate either way. If jt wins everyone will be expected to buy mass produced lp shit and if the ndp wins every time a cop smells weed his dick will get hard and he pulls his ticket book out.
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I don't agree with you with being forced to buy lp shit. I think with legalization comes the right to grow your own. No different from booze or smokes...with exceptions for plant counts for medical use.LP's will continue to grow for both markets, giving government their tax windfall and pleasing their corporate masters. Whether or not that is what they have in mind is yet to be seen, but we keep up the fight if they don't get it right.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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VIANARCHRIS said:
I don't agree with you with being forced to buy lp shit. I think with legalization comes the right to grow your own. No different from booze or smokes...with exceptions for plant counts for medical use.LP's will continue to grow for both markets, giving government their tax windfall and pleasing their corporate masters. Whether or not that is what they have in mind is yet to be seen, but we keep up the fight if they don't get it right.
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So you think jt wants to legalize it because he thinks its unfair for people to have to spend money?
Its a cash cow. Thats the only reason any politician has ever considered legalization. Tax revenue.
No one cares about people or patients they care about money.
Legalization will create tens of millions a yr to "help the budget balance itself"

I highly doubt that they (the gov/hc) will ever want anyone to be able to just grow if they want. I hope your right tho
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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torontoke said:
So you think jt wants to legalize it because he thinks its unfair for people to have to spend money?
Its a cash cow. Thats the only reason any politician has ever considered legalization. Tax revenue.
No one cares about people or patients they care about money.
Legalization will create tens of millions a yr to "help the budget balance itself"

I highly doubt that they (the gov/hc) will ever want anyone to be able to just grow if they want. I hope your right tho
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I think JT wants to legalize because as a user he understands how ridiculous the laws are. He wants to take away the profits to organized crime and reduce the strain on police and the courts. The tax money will come from those who can't or choose not to grow. Like I said it's legal to grow tobacco and make your own booze, yet they are huge tax revenue sources for governments because the vast majority choose to buy from a retailer. Tax revenue for governments can happily coexist with freedom to grow your own.
 
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medcann

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torontoke said:
So you think jt wants to legalize it because he thinks its unfair for people to have to spend money?
Its a cash cow. Thats the only reason any politician has ever considered legalization. Tax revenue.
No one cares about people or patients they care about money.
Legalization will create tens of millions a yr to "help the budget balance itself"

I highly doubt that they (the gov/hc) will ever want anyone to be able to just grow if they want. I hope your right tho
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I would say that the main reason a politician considers legalization is because he or she would get more votes.
Getting votes is always the # 1 priority.
 
OLD MOTHER SATIVA

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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TheDizzyBizzy said:
I've always made sense. It's just that everyone else is finally starting to realize I was right about Trudeau being a baby Harper.
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well that remains to be seen..i doubt it ..but yes he did vote for c51..not that voting against bit would have mattered..statistically

he also voted for the "other" nasty cannabis[c18?] bill before....but then came out with a legalize it campaign..

you are not wrong in being skeptical..
 
R.Raider

R.Raider

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Wonder when we're actually going to get a verdict? The election seems so far away still, I hope it's before that.
 
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rnr

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id say ruling after voting in oct than within a yr to make changes, I still think were fucked, or they would have ruled before. its to poilictical and too much $$ invested to just let the old system back in....
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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VIANARCHRIS said:
"The NDP want to decriminalize and let it just be a plant" What does that look like? I heard Mulcair say the NDP is for decriminalization so people aren't burdened with a criminal record for smoking marijuana. It will still be illegal and it will simply be a revenue stream for police forces and an intimidation tool for the cops. He has said nothing about repealing the mandatory minimums for growing or selling. Mulcair is determined to maintain control of the plant. The only change will be a fine instead of conviction for simple possession and in reality, how often does that happen anyway. Trudeau has said legalization...huge difference, IMO. I'm sure there will be corporate players (there already are) and a tax scheme put in place, just like every other commodity there is a demand for, but like every other legal product, you are free to grow your own...tax exempt. If you are coming at this from a grower/seller angle, I would still count on the Liberals being my best choice. That said, I am in the 'anybody but Hitler' camp and chances are we will have a minority gov. so we can push for the changes we want as the party that wins will want to please.
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but Justin is and was in favour of C-51...that crosses him off my list.
just a fine is OK to me because it sounds like it'll be easier for the MMJ people..I am hoping!
 
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