injunction/court case updates

torontomeds

torontomeds

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ricky1lung said:
I keep bringing it up because no one is willing or able to see what could happen and how all players from med patients to lp's have to be considered.

They can regulate mom and pop dg's out of the equation under the guise of safety and quality assurance from licenced producers and still be following the ruling.

They don't have to allow anyone to be a dg, thy simply have to allow dg's and can regulate the crap out of them.

To think otherwise is extremely shortsighted.
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Like JungleStrike said "can't grasp the legal realities here"

you said "players from med patients to lp's have to be considered." but this was just proven in court yesterday that this is not about the LP's they do not get a say, they are luck to be alive at this point.
LP's will still be here after 6 months, but so will home grows and DG's and if I live with my wife and chose her to be my DG what can they say?
Or what if my uncle has a farm and say I can grow there, can I not make him my DG??? why and how can they say no?
Bottom line we won our right to choice.
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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JungleStrikeGuy said:
Yep, you've pretty much got it nailed.

Ricky, I'm not sure if you have investments in the LP's or something and that's why you're going through all these acrobatics, but the principles of fundamental justice aren't dependent on investments.
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Once again thank you...he's an LP blower and doesn't quit the fan boy support...time waster
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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torontomeds said:
Like JungleStrike said "can't grasp the legal realities here"

you said "players from med patients to lp's have to be considered." but this was just proven in court yesterday that this is not about the LP's they do not get a say, they are luck to be alive at this point.
LP's will still be here after 6 months, but so will home grows and DG's and if I live with my wife and chose her to be my DG what can they say?
Or what if my uncle has a farm and say I can grow there, can I not make him my DG??? why and how can they say no?
Bottom line we won our right to choice.
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They don't have to allow uncle bob to be able to become a dg.
They can write the law to allow a person to designate a grower from a list of approved and licenced growers.

If they do, what can anyone say? Will the courts see home grows and regulated and approved dg's to be unconstitutional?

I doubt it, because they will be giving the freedom of home grows and a choice of a producer that is licenced and regulated.
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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ricky1lung said:
They don't have to allow uncle bob to be able to become a dg.
They can write the law to allow a person to designate a grower from a list of approved and licenced growers.

If they do, what can anyone say? Will the courts see home grows and regulated and approved dg's to be unconstitutional?

I doubt it, because they will be giving the freedom of home grows and a choice of a producer that is licenced and regulated.
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Fuck it's just become dribble....blah blah blah.
LP's are fucked...drink yourself to sleep on that thought.
Who needs LP's now, only the terminally stupid.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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ricky1lung said:
They don't have to allow uncle bob to be able to become a dg.
They can write the law to allow a person to designate a grower from a list of approved and licenced growers.

If they do, what can anyone say? Will the courts see home grows and regulated and approved dg's to be unconstitutional?

I doubt it, because they will be giving the freedom of home grows and a choice of a producer that is licenced and regulated.
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If uncle bob has a DG license, of course they do.

If they craft a law that is overbroad (like the MMPR), it will be struck down.

You are very desperately trying to conflate ridiculous LP regulations which what will be put in place for growing. If a DG meets reasonable regulations around growing, they're a DG. End of story.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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JungleStrikeGuy said:
Nope.

There's 'confusion', at the very least, around Manson's language in the injunction. It goes to the balance of convenience test as specified in the SJS case, and involves the sphere of the will of parliament (which is iffy because the MMPR didn't go through parliament).

However, the ruling is clear. Patients now have a codified, constitutional right to grow. This does not involve LP's at all, and if the LPC drafts bad legislation it will be back in court.

This is big trouble for the LP's. Now that people can grow, their revenue model just disappeared. To be constitutionally viable, the new legislation must follow Phelan's ruling, and the LP's have sweet fuck all for protection.

So no, they do not have to give any special weight to LP's. If they can't survive in a free and fair market, too bad.

Also, arbitrary regulations are exactly what this case was predicated on (and won), so yes, that is still restricting access. The LPC is of course free to write more bad legislation, but it will be back in court (and easily won).
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Couldn't agree more, seems pretty clear really. Laws cannot be written to protect or further advance or give advantage to a company in a fair market. That's why investments are risky, you can lose everything. The sooner people realize this the less it will sting.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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CalyxCrusher said:
Couldn't agree more, seems pretty clear really. Laws cannot be written to protect or further advance or give advantage to a company in a fair market. That's why investments are risky, you can lose everything. The sooner people realize this the less it will sting.
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Yep, plenty of people are boohoo'ing for the LP's, how it's so unfair to them. Tough shit, I run a business and I can't go to the government for a handout or to regulate all my competitors away.

Any non-delusional ROI would show the MMPR is not a way to make quick money. The 'green rush' profiteers are getting exactly what they deserve.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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Has everyone forgotten why this ruling was even needed?

The gov at the time crafted laws and regulations to suit their agenda without regard for laws.

Don't think something similar could happen again? Yes, they can stack the deck within the new guidelines.

How easily people forget.

Jump on boys, it's been fun :)
 
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nobody important 666

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Brian Savage said:
I would love for them to have some patients help construct the new regime. The perspective of some of us who use cannabis as medicine would likely be of high value in making sensible policies that actually work for the patients while at the same time minimizing the abuse of the system. I for one would love to go to Ottawa and work on this.
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CalyxCrusher said:
That would be no different then the MMPR then would it? Doubtful that will happen. In regards to LP DGs
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CalyxCrusher said:
Thatd bring us full circle back to restriction of access. By once again making who is a DG based basically on who has the most money. Stricter the rules, pricier the set up, higher the overhead. Face it, LPs lost a lot of traction with this ruling. All they could come up with was more restrictive solutions. Cant say i feel sorry for them OR their gullable investors. Hope they all lose their shirts
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ricky1lung said:
You'd be surprised. Some people sure got upset around here with even the suggestion of either of those.

Kind of like right now. :)
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I get where your coming from a dg and lp will be the same thing. What most don't understand is the term "reasonable access". If a patient can pick and choose which ever dg or lp they want ie cost, availability whatever. Then it the same thing.
 
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Gmack420

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I've seen your grow journals kid. You wouldn't know quality weed if it was right in front of your face. You'd think it had gone bad. You're a pathetic lp investor who brags about growing his own and making money off the sick. Have at it hoss. Grow all the schwag you want and buy more shares there selling for quite the discount today!
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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ricky1lung said:
Will they just tell all those who invested in a legal market to shove it or will they leverage their abilities and try to provide a balance for all at play?
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Yeah........that's how the investment game works. they gambled on never having an injunction come up, let alone a win like we got. It is not the governments job to protect peoples bad investments. That's just the way she goes in the stock market and investing.
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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JungleStrikeGuy said:
Yep, plenty of people are boohoo'ing for the LP's, how it's so unfair to them. Tough shit, I run a business and I can't go to the government for a handout or to regulate all my competitors away.

Any non-delusional ROI would show the MMPR is not a way to make quick money. The 'green rush' profiteers are getting exactly what they deserve.
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I told them so....don't try to control the " Peoples Plant "...never works out. Hippy know's.....I see it all in my crystal balls.
 
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