Insufficient/Incorrect Flushing Before Harvest= Different Color Ash?

choop

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hey everyone,

my friend some time ago was telling me that bud which isn't flushed all the way doesn't burn to a complete stark white color ash when you smoke it. in other words, if you end up with salt and pepper or just black colored ash after a smoke, then a complete flush didn't take place?

can anyone confirm this? i just thought about it for the first time in a while and meant to see if anyone could confirm this hypothesis on RIU.


:joint::weed:
 

choop

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120+ views, nothing? i was also going to throw out there that my own thinking on it simply has to do with the temperature at which you burn the bud. the hotter the temp, the whiter the ash.
 

Joedank

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This is a touchy and often debated topic... I say no that Ptolemy cured weed regardless of growing style will burn to white ash once burned... Ash is ash black= carbon=weedtosmoke
 

choop

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yeah i am tending to agree with you guys on this one.. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't patently wrong in thinking that he was incorrect in asserting such a claim.
 

homebrewer

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The color of your ash is indicative of the mineral content of your medium/soil at harvest. Contrary to what stoners think, white ash doesn't mean 'more pure'.

http://www.cuban-cigars-store.com/ash.html

Soil is rich with chemical compounds and a variety of mineral deposits, which are carried into plants by moisture. The soil in different regions is distinguished by its own characteristics: different minerals predominate in different places. Hence the same plant will have essentially different chemical and mineral contents in different areas. For instance, cigars rolled from tobacco grown in the central regions of Cuba (Remedios) produce almost white ash; cigars made of tobacco from the Vuelta Abajo produce gray ash with white veins. Take into consideration that the two areas are adjacent to each other. The difference takes place because the soil in the Vuelta Abajo is full of various minerals in roughly equal amounts, while the soil in the Remedios Region is characterized by potassium predomination.


The connection between the chemical contents of the soil and the quality of the cigar made of tobacco grown in it has been scientifically proved. Moreover, in early 2001 one of the scientists from a Canadian consumer organization proposed to make tests on the chemical components in order to protect genuine Cuban cigars from fakes. His idea was that cigars labeled as Cuban, but whose chemical contents proved to be different from the chemical contents of the appropriate region of Cuba, should be removed from the shops right away.

Thus the predominance of gray and white in the cigar ash testifies that it is of good quality. Pure white ash may be considered as a mark of quality, proving that the cigar is from certain places like Cuba or the Dominican Republic, where there are plantations that are particularly full of potassium. Black ash is a bad sign. Leaves that after burning produce black ash are poor in minerals and produce a very unpleasant taste and smell.
On a more serious note, who smokes their bowls down to the ash?
 

Dirty Harry

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The color of your ash is indicative of the mineral content of your medium/soil at harvest. Contrary to what stoners think, white ash doesn't mean 'more pure'.


On a more serious note, who smokes their bowls down to the ash?
I do! And sometimes I will smoke the resin, but that is some harsh shit.
 

840/2

Active Member
I do! And sometimes I will smoke the resin, but that is some harsh shit.
I'm with ya......there is a reason peeps call me "pookie" from the movie Friday! :)

Crackheads do what they gotta do to get that fix, thc fix included! :) Hopefully though, by doing what I'm doing, no more will I have to worry about that!!! :)
 

Dirty Harry

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I'm with ya......there is a reason peeps call me "pookie" from the movie Friday! :)

Crackheads do what they gotta do to get that fix, thc fix included! :) Hopefully though, by doing what I'm doing, no more will I have to worry about that!!! :)
:weed: I will say my last grow I flushed for about two weeks (hydro ebb & flow) and the ash does turn almost totally white. When I flushed only for a week or less, it was still great but the ash was more on the black side. I am not sure if the flush 100% changes ash color or not, but I know that taste from the longer flush was smoother.
I don't grow by a calender, but buy how the plant looks...Trial and error but I think I got it right the last time as it is very strong, smooth, and ends in 95% white ash.
 

choop

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good responses, fellas. its good to get different views on shit like that especially from those who know from experience
 

colonuggs

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flushing is something that hydro growers should preform.... the roots are in direct contact with the water and fert... no buffering...this is why good/experienced hydro growers will run just water the last 10-14 days of a grow


I grow in sunshine.. use minimal fertilizer and never flush....my shit tastes smells killer
 

Dirty Harry

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flushing is something that hydro growers should preform.... the roots are in direct contact with the water and fert... no buffering...this is why good/experienced hydro growers will run just water the last 10-14 days of a grow


I grow in sunshine.. use minimal fertilizer and never flush....my shit tastes smells killer
Hydro flushing is a must IMHO. The nutes we use in hydro are strong chemicals which speeds growth. Some even smell nasty when mixed.
I have heard that good soil grow picks up like a earthy kind of taste that really adds to the flavor. I can't test that because I don't know anyone growing in soil and I can't grow in soil to save my life.
 

Nukebisket

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when it turns black and it wont burn right in a joint it is an overload of potassium in the buds. I don't believe a good cure can get rid of that, only a good flush before harvest.
 

SACReDHeRB

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The color of your ash is indicative of the mineral content of your medium/soil at harvest. Contrary to what stoners think, white ash doesn't mean 'more pure'.
According to your own cited quote it doesn't mean 'more pure' but lighter/white ash is "of better quality." In this case purity is associated with quality, contrary to what a stoner thinks. (you)

The soil in different regions is distinguished by its own characteristics: different minerals predominate in different places. Hence the same plant will have essentially different chemical and mineral contents in different areas.
True. Firstly, this applies only to TOBACCO and several layers of TOBACCO rolled into a dense cigar as compared to marijuana, which is the topic. Secondly, this only applies to growers who are solely using native soil. The majority of high-grade marijuana is grown indoors, hydroponically; therefore the content of the nutrient solution is controlled by the grower(s). It seems many people are wondering if there is a relation between the quality of the herb and the ash. Because if we are paying $15-20 for an herb it should be damn near perfect.

Ash is the leftover mineral content of an incinerated substance. Assuming you are using a bong/bowl with a screen and a normal cigarette lighter. If you burn the bud to the point of no longer receiving smoke the lighter the remains are, then usually, the more 'pure' the bud is. I'd say chemical-free, but nutrient-free or fertilizer-free would be more accurate b/c there of course are naturally occurring chemicals/nutrients in the plant matter and medium.

It's improper/under-flushing, that will leave you with weed that 'sparks' when the lighter hits and a black soot when finished rather than a fine, white-gray powder. Improper flushing is a good way of putting it b/c, conversely to under-flushing, over-flushing can cause a similar appearance; the plant begins to consume itself and the altered ratio of compounds created as it depletes its resources will burn and combust less evenly, also leaving you with slightly darker ash. When a plant is grown just right and when it's harvested just after the remaining nutrients leave the plant, and soil, the resulting herb burns almost as though it was meant to be smoked.


On a more serious note, who smokes their bowls down to the ash?
On a more serious note, your cited resource had a few spelling and grammatical errors. Therefore their reliability is questionable although they had many good points/tidbits. On an even more serious note to call into question is the correlation and validity you perceived this info to have to marijuana which is a bud not a cigar.:wall:

As for many other peoples comments about how their blunt or joint ashes vary, etc. Of course they do because you are using a secondary plant material(esp. blunts which aren't very consistent in quality)which compromises the marijuana ashes sole properties. In this case we are referring solely to marijuana ash in and of itself, no blunt or joint/ rolled cigar(ette).

According to someone else: If the final product lacks any moisture, during burning, it will produce a black ash. Balanced moisture will produce light gray-white ash. The taste may be slightly affected by the lack of moisture but it is definitely the smoothness of the smoke that suffers due to no h2o to buffer the other chemicals burning, not the potency. < This would be caused mostly by a lack of proper post-harvest processing, i.e. drying, curing.


I had several other things written but due to a shitty browser, computer and luck; it was lost while I was searching for factual data, etc. to support my claim(s). The browser froze, I waited several minutes for it to recover but unfortunately I was forced to end task through task manger. Some of it was saved by the auto-save feature, yet it was less than I expected. Now, I don't have the time to remember, re-search and re-type it all, so if you have a bone to pick I will have to crush it individually.

It popped up in the bottom left-hand corner and said auto-saved. However, when I clicked restore auto-saved data it didn't restore to the most recent point, it restored quite a way back. I was livid, I had spent a while compiling the data for this reply and lost over half of it. Any thoughts from mods?:bigjoint:
 

Kite High

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I never pre harvest flush as it is detrimental to the curing process and my bud always leaves white ash...whatever the hell that is supposed to indicate anyways I have no idea...and my current batch smells like pineapple and tastes like mango with NO FLUSH...flush your toilets not your plants...jus saying
 

SACReDHeRB

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I never pre harvest flush as it is detrimental to the curing process and my bud always leaves white ash...whatever the hell that is supposed to indicate anyways I have no idea...and my current batch smeels like pineapple and tastes like mange with NO FLUSH...flush your toilets not your plants...jus saying
The paragraph regarding flushing is the opinion of another, although it's far more plausible than you, "just saying". How do you find it detrimental to the curing process? Is this "batch" you refer to in-ground, outdoors? What is the feed regimen?
 
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