Iran Update...

CrackerJax

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Again, for all of you who are STILL ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL


TEHRAN, April 9 (Reuters) - Iran is now running 7,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges, a senior official said on Thursday, an announcement likely to increase Western concerns about the Islamic Republic's disputed nuclear plans.
Gholamreza Aghazadeh, head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation, also said it had obtained the technology to produce more "accurate" centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium.
Referring to the inauguration of a nuclear fuel production plant by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad earlier on Thursday, he said in a televised speech: "Today we praise ... the accomplishment of the last stage of the nuclear fuel cycle."
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
once again:

THE TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS does not mean THE TECHNOLOGY IS BEING USED TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS or THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE USED TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

the difference is there, and the difference is big.

try again.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
Look at this:

IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION:

Key Judgments [from October 2002 NIE]

Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these Key Judgments.) We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs.
Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.

  • Iraq's growing ability to sell oil illicitly increases Baghdad's capabilities to finance WMD programs; annual earnings in cash and goods have more than quadrupled, from $580 million in 1998 to about $3 billion this year.
  • Iraq has largely rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged during Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.
  • Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.
  • Although we assess that Saddam does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting its nuclear program about the time that UNSCOM inspectors departed--December 1998.
How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.
  • If Baghdad acquires sufficient fissile material from abroad it could make a nuclear weapon within several months to a year.
  • Without such material from abroad, Iraq probably would not be able to make a weapon until 2007 to 2009, owing to inexperience in building and operating centrifuge facilities to produce highly enriched uranium and challenges in procuring the necessary equipment and expertise.
    • Most agencies believe that Saddam's personal interest in and Iraq's aggressive attempts to obtain high-strength aluminum tubes for centrifuge rotors--as well as Iraq's attempts to acquire magnets, high-speed balancing machines, and machine tools--provide compelling evidence that Saddam is reconstituting a uranium enrichment effort for Baghdad's nuclear weapons program. (DOE agrees that reconstitution of the nuclear program is underway but assesses that the tubes probably are not part of the program.)
    • Iraq's efforts to re-establish and enhance its cadre of weapons personnel as well as activities at several suspect nuclear sites further indicate that reconstitution is underway.
    • All agencies agree that about 25,000 centrifuges based on tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire would be capable of producing approximately two weapons' worth of highly enriched uranium per year.
  • In a much less likely scenario, Baghdad could make enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon by 2005 to 2007 if it obtains suitable centrifuge tubes this year and has all the other materials and technological expertise necessary to build production-scale uranium enrichment facilities.
We assess that Baghdad has begun renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX; its capability probably is more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.
  • An array of clandestine reporting reveals that Baghdad has procured covertly the types and quantities of chemicals and equipment sufficient to allow limited CW agent production hidden within Iraq's legitimate chemical industry.
  • Although we have little specific information on Iraq's CW stockpile, Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents--much of it added in the last year.
  • The Iraqis have experience in manufacturing CW bombs, artillery rockets, and projectiles. We assess that they possess CW bulk fills for SRBM warheads, including for a limited number of covertly stored Scuds, possibly a few with extended ranges.
We judge that all key aspects--R&D, production, and weaponization--of Iraq's offensive BW program are active and that most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf war.
  • We judge Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives.
    • Chances are even that smallpox is part of Iraq's offensive BW program.
    • Baghdad probably has developed genetically engineered BW agents.
  • Baghdad has established a large-scale, redundant, and concealed BW agent production capability.
    • Baghdad has mobile facilities for producing bacterial and toxin BW agents; these facilities can evade detection and are highly survivable. Within three to six months [Corrected per Errata sheet issued in October 2002] these units probably could produce an amount of agent equal to the total that Iraq produced in the years prior to the Gulf war.
Iraq maintains a small missile force and several development programs, including for a UAV probably intended to deliver biological warfare agent.
  • Gaps in Iraqi accounting to UNSCOM suggest that Saddam retains a covert force of up to a few dozen Scud-variant SRBMs with ranges of 650 to 900 km.
  • Iraq is deploying its new al-Samoud and Ababil-100 SRBMs, which are capable of flying beyond the UN-authorized 150-km range limit; Iraq has tested an al-Samoud variant beyond 150 km--perhaps as far as 300 km.
  • Baghdad's UAVs could threaten Iraq's neighbors, U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf, and if brought close to, or into, the United States, the U.S. Homeland.
    • An Iraqi UAV procurement network attempted to procure commercially available route planning software and an associated topographic database that would be able to support targeting of the United States, according to analysis of special intelligence.
    • The Director, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance, U.S. Air Force, does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents. The small size of Iraq's new UAV strongly suggests a primary role of reconnaissance, although CBW delivery is an inherent capability.
  • Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities, including a test stand for engines more powerful than those in its current missile force.
We have low confidence in our ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD.
  • Saddam could decide to use chemical and biological warfare (CBW) preemptively against U.S. forces, friends, and allies in the region in an attempt to disrupt U.S. war preparations and undermine the political will of the Coalition.
  • Saddam might use CBW after an initial advance into Iraqi territory, but early use of WMD could foreclose diplomatic options for stalling the US advance.
  • He probably would use CBW when be perceived he irretrievably had lost control of the military and security situation, but we are unlikely to know when Saddam reaches that point.
  • We judge that Saddam would be more likely to use chemical weapons than biological weapons on the battlefield.
  • Saddam historically has maintained tight control over the use of WMD; however, he probably has provided contingency instructions to his commanders to use CBW in specific circumstances.
Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger cause for making war. Iraq probably would attempt clandestine attacks against the U.S. Homeland if Baghdad feared an attack that threatened the survival of the regime were imminent or unavoidable, or possibly for revenge. Such attacks--more likely with biological than chemical agents--probably would be carried out by special forces or intelligence operatives.

  • The Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) probably has been directed to conduct clandestine attacks against US and Allied interests in the Middle East in the event the United States takes action against Iraq. The US probably would be the primary means by which Iraq would attempt to conduct any CBW attacks on the US Homeland, although we have no specific intelligence information that Saddam's regime has directed attacks against US territory.
Saddam, if sufficiently desperate, might decide that only an organization such as al-Qa'ida--with worldwide reach and extensive terrorist infrastructure, and already engaged in a life-or-death struggle against the United States--could perpetrate the type of terrorist attack that he would hope to conduct.

  • In such circumstances, he might decide that the extreme step of assisting the Islamist terrorists in conducting a CBW attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him.
State/INR Alternative View of Iraq's Nuclear Program The Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research (INR) believes that Saddam continues to want nuclear weapons and that available evidence indicates that Baghdad is pursuing at least a limited effort to maintain and acquire nuclear weapons-related capabilities. The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons. Iraq may be doing so, but INR considers the available evidence inadequate to support such a judgment. Lacking persuasive evidence that Baghdad has launched a coherent effort to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program, INR is unwilling to speculate that such an effort began soon after the departure of UN inspectors or to project a timeline for the completion of activities it does not now see happening. As a result, INR is unable to predict when Iraq could acquire a nuclear device or weapon.
In INR's view Iraq's efforts to acquire aluminum tubes is central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, but INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors. INR accepts the judgment of technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the case that they are intended for that purpose. INR considers it far more likely that the tubes are intended for another purpose, most likely the production of artillery rockets. The very large quantities being sought, the way the tubes were tested by the Iraqis, and the atypical lack of attention to operational security in the procurement efforts are among the factors, in addition to the DOE assessment, that lead INR to conclude that the tubes are not intended for use in Iraq's nuclear weapon program.

Confidence Levels for Selected Key Judgments in This Estimate High Confidence:

  • Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding, its chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.
  • We are not detecting portions of these weapons programs.
  • Iraq possesses proscribed chemical and biological weapons and missiles.
  • Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grad fissile material
Moderate Confidence:
  • Iraq does not yet have a nuclear weapon or sufficient material to make one but is likely to have a weapon by 2007 to 2009. (See INR alternative view, page 84).
Low Confidence
  • When Saddam would use weapons of mass destruction.
  • Whether Saddam would engage in clandestine attacks against the US Homeland.
  • Whether in desperation Saddam would share chemical or biological weapons with al-Qa'ida.

[NIE page 24] [...]
Uranium Acquisition. Iraq retains approximately two-and-a-half tons of 2.5 percent enriched uranium oxide, which the IAEA permits. This low-enriched material could be used as feed material to produce enough HEU for about two nuclear weapons. The use of enriched feed material also would reduce the initial number of centrifuges that Baghdad would need by about half. Iraq could divert this material -- the IAEA inspects it only once a year -- and enrich it to weapons grade before a subsequent inspection discovered it was missing. The IAEA last inspected this material in late January 2002.
Iraq has about 500 metric tons of yellowcake1 and low enriched uranium at Tuwaitha, which is inspected annually by the IAEA. Iraq also began vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake; acquiring either would shorten the time Baghdad needs to produce nuclear weapons.

  • A foreign government service reported that as of early 2001, Niger planned to send several tons of "pure uranium" (probably yellowcake) to Iraq. As of early 2001, Niger and Iraq reportedly were still working out arrangements for this deal, which could be for up to 500 tons of yellowcake. We do not know the status of this arrangement.
  • Reports indicate Iraq also has sought uranium ore from Somalia and possibly the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
We cannot confirm whether Iraq succeeded in acquiring uranium ore and/or yellowcake from these sources. Reports suggest Iraq is shifting from domestic mining and milling of uranium to foreign acquisition. Iraq possesses significant phosphate deposits, from which uranium had been chemically extracted before Operation Desert Storm. Intelligence information on whether nuclear-related phosphate mining and/or processing has been reestablished is inconclusive, however.
  • 1 A refined form of natural uranium.

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pardon me if I don't believe the bullshit story you have just put forth above.....
 

overgrowem

Well-Known Member
One reason Iran wants Nucs. is that the U.S.,justifiably or not,attacks countries that do not have nucs. and does not attack countries that have nucs.. Who can say what Israelis will do,but Uncle Sam will simply jaw until it is too late.The Wilson Doctorin is dead we should admit it and resign as policeman of the world.
 
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PadawanBater

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Iran plans new centrifuges for 2nd enrichment site
(AP) – 2 hours ago
TEHRAN, Iran — An Iranian newspaper is reporting that the country plans to install a more advanced type of centrifuge in its newly revealed uranium enrichment site.
Tuesday's Kayhan daily quotes the head of Iran's nuclear agency, Ali Akbar Salehi, as saying the country has carried out research and development for a new generation of centrifuge to be made domestically.
The machines would be more advanced than the decades old P-1 type centrifuges acquired on the black market and in use at Iran's other enrichment facility in Natanz.
Iran's enrichment of uranium is the central concern of the United States and other nations negotiating with the country over its nuclear work. The technology can be used to make fuel for power plants and nuclear weapons.


That last bit is for RED, who seems thoroughly confused, but insists I'm the one spreading "propaganda"..... :lol:


It isn't propaganda son, if it's true....... reality check of perhaps why you insist I'm wrong when you don't even understand the mechanics of what you berate.
Again, for all of you who are STILL ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL


TEHRAN, April 9 (Reuters) - Iran is now running 7,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges, a senior official said on Thursday, an announcement likely to increase Western concerns about the Islamic Republic's disputed nuclear plans.
Gholamreza Aghazadeh, head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation, also said it had obtained the technology to produce more "accurate" centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium.
Referring to the inauguration of a nuclear fuel production plant by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad earlier on Thursday, he said in a televised speech: "Today we praise ... the accomplishment of the last stage of the nuclear fuel cycle."
Caught the same exact thing Red did.

Neither one of your sources say anything about Iran producing nuclear weapons, only nuclear energy.

You can sit there and call us naive or in the dark all you want man, but I ask you for a legitimate source that confirms all your hype that Iran is building NUKES, not obtaining energy, I even explain what I'll accept as proof, then you come back with this?

Also, I noticed you left out the source link (wonder why...). That second bit of info looks like it came from a western outlet.

I know your older than me CJ, it took one war when I was a really small kid, and one war in my late teens to figure out the cycle of bullshit the government/media spread to get us into this shit. Enough is seriously enough, time to wake up. If they want their wars so bad, let em have em, let the politicians go fight the battles they fight so hard to get while sitting behind their desks making our annual salaries in one fuckin' week.

They're holding your hand down the yellow cake road again just like they did with Iraq in 2003, and you're skipping and singing along the entire fuckin' way.

You are the one that is alone, you are the one that needs to wake up to reality.
 

Jointsmith

Well-Known Member
Is this argument still going on?

Let it go guys, CrackerJackass has posted 8,000 times in the 4 months or so since I last called him out......He is obviously a looser with no real-world friends to talk to (which is why he spends most of his time on here).

Stop taking the bait.
 

stalebiscuit

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nuclear energy may not be nuclear weapons, but i dont want them doing anything near that stuff until their leader is assassinated
 
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PadawanBater

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nuclear energy may not be nuclear weapons, but i dont want them doing anything near that stuff until their leader is assassinated

Wouldn't accomplish anything, the president is only a figurehead. He doesn't hold the real power. Someone else would just stand in his place.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
once again:

THE TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS does not mean THE TECHNOLOGY IS BEING USED TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS or THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE USED TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

the difference is there, and the difference is big.

try again.
You're just a bit thick aren't you? I'll leave it at that.

I mean everyone who is pursuing nuclear energy hides their enrichment sites.... right?

A bit thick.....
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Remember when I said Israel has been given the message that it is on its own?

Ridiculous some of you said...... Crackah is on crack!

Well it's OFFICIAL now nooby wonkahs well wisher swishers.

Please tell me you at least know what just went down.

Show me that you are at least paying attention..... grasshoppers who have so much to learn about the world.
 
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PadawanBater

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Remember when I said Israel has been given the message that it is on its own?

Ridiculous some of you said...... Crackah is on crack!

Well it's OFFICIAL now nooby wonkahs well wisher swishers.

Please tell me you at least know what just went down.

Show me that you are at least paying attention..... grasshoppers who have so much to learn about the world.
Enlighten us. I just got off work.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Awwww ... c'mon folks.... show me some good sourcing skillz. It's all about connecting the dots.

The Obama administration continues to scare the crud out of me. There... a clue.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
OKAY, THIS IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE...... WHAT ON SAM HILL IS WRONG WITH OBAMA??? WHAT IS THIS GUYS MAJOR MALFUNCTION? IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT THAT IF HE TURNS OUT NOT TO BE A CITIZEN, IT WILL BE A RELIEF TO THE WORLD!!!!

READ ON................
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Tuesday, October 06, 2009

Obama Cuts Off Funding for Iranian Human-Rights Documentation [Michael Rubin]

I've got to say, even for the Obama administration, this is a real shocker.
The Clinton State Department has decided to cut off all funding for the Iran Human Rights Documentation Center (IHRDC), which was compiling lists of protestors imprisoned in this summer's unrest, as well as those who were killed in the crackdown.
IHRDC is what human-rights advocates should be: methodical, precise, and apolitical in their work. And yet, the Obama administration has, without explanation, cut off all federal funding to the group which has consistently fulfilled its mandate.
Anyone, across the political spectrum who has any interest in human rights in Iran keeps the IHRDC reports on their desks.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
That's true Woo. I'll +rep you for that insight. :wink:

BUT:

Israel is not a rogue state.
Israel has never tested their nukes hot
Israel hasn't been attacked since they acquired them (the only reason they built them, defensive)
Israel doesn't threaten it's neighbors with threats of invasion and elimination

Pakistan did the same thing, but is a far less stable govt. and a problem

In the end that's one of the main thresholds of whether a country can operate nuclear energy (on their own). Iran does NOT meet that threshold. Not even close.

Then again, Israel was under no sanctions nor inspections. They were given tacit approval by the USA and Britain.

Israel has been poked and prodded many many times, and yet have never even contemplated using nukes, nor does Israel make very public displays of their willingness to use them. When's the last time you heard Israel say they are going to wipe Iran off the map. It's the other way round.

Besides that, in the end...... just because India, Pakistan, Israel have them isn't a reason to allow nuclear proliferation to dominoe around the globe.

That is exactly what is happening now. Brazil is making noise about it's NEED for nuclear weapons. The Middle East will become another problem as they are becoming increasingly nervous about Iran.

So, as Obama stands before the UN and declares he is for nuclear disarmament, the world is going the other way, even as he utters the words...... the empty words. There must have been quite a bit of smirking from the audience. But they are used to empty words, so maybe not.

Woo, what do you think about my post on the US dropping its funding of Iran's human rights documentation?
 

CrackerJax

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I prefer direct sources as opposed to wiki, which isn't even close to being verifiable....anyone can edit that dang thing. besides, I'm fully informed already, and have been correct ALL ALONG.
 
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