Iran Update...

macwmv said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4 watch this video this is what i was talking about !!!!!!!!! war is wack!!!! there was honor in war wen it was done with swords and shields! but now al these nukes and guns and missiles r bitch moves!! fuk war smoke weed lol im gona get that on a shirt "FUCK WAR, SMOKE WEED!"

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Here's a quote from the source itself, just for you CJ, to solidify my point that not everything the 'leadership' of Iran does, the rest of the population agrees with;

As an Iranian I can say that I hate the Iranian Regime and so do all Iranians. Yet Iran has such a HUUUUUUGE number of soldiers that are ready for war in a blow of a whistle that it would be insane to nuke and "let the genie out"

- ynotpersian (youtube)

I certainly agree with that statement and i have posted that agreement before on this very thread, but that is NOT the issue. The leaders are calling the shots on the NUKE program.

Wishing doesn't change anything and is not a guide to foreign policy...unless you are Jimmy Carter, and seemingly Barack Obama.

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The middle east is a serious problem area for any Obama supporters who truly believe that he is a righteous man, who seriously wants peace and equality for the world as a whole.

The timing of Israel's typically savage slaughter of civilians in the gaza strip, ending just before Obama was sworn in as president, with Obama remaining quiet about the scores of innocent civilians killed...just goes to show how powerful the Israeli Lobby is in Washington.

The same issue reared its ugly head with that chap who was supposed to take a key position...I forget his name...but he had made disparaging comments about the power to affect US foreign policy by the Israeli lobbyists.

With Israel posing as the clear, closest enemy of Iran, and Israel also having the capacity to not only choose who gets powerful positions in the american government, but the course of foreign policy they take, there is no chance for peace in the region, with Obama in control.

I spoke to an Lebanese fellow last week, when I was drunk and pontificating outside the casino here in melbourne at 7am. His tone and face sobered me up enough to engage in quality discussion. And while he had no love for the Palestinians, or the Syrians, or the Iranians, when it came to Israel, he closed ranks very quickly with his arab brothers...Also...he was certain that Iran were getting the bomb and would use, if not threaten to use it, within the next two years. And if so, his words not mine, Israel could expect nothing less, after the way they have invaded, massacred, raped, pillaged and stolen land...

Gosh that was a balanced quote...lawdy.

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PadawanBater said:

I find it hilarious and somewhat telling where CJ and his cheerleaders have taken this argument. (not to mention the fact that these idiots are trying to defend how great our education system is while spelling shit wrong on a site that has an auto spell check.... that takes another level of stupidity...)

Weren't you the ones talking complete shit about our (USA) universities like 5 pages back?? How they're nothing but "liberal" institutions that do nothing but brainwash our youth?! Then as soon as a foreigner (Woo) even MENTIONS the fact that 'hey, Britain has some pretty good institutions too ya know...' You AUTOMATICALLY take the OPPOSITE position and DEFEND the very same institutions you were talking shit about before!

TOTAL FUCKIN' HYPOCRITES!

PWNED!

The USA is not the best there is in every single aspect of life. Get the fuck over that. There's nothing wrong with it either. If you think you're the best at everything, what the hell do you have to strive for as a nation?

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Not gonna address this huh CJ?

...didn't think so.

Jeez, A lot of you are very right wing for smokers. It almost builds a caricature of the american attitude to war.

Theres not even a war in iran is there? Dont you mean iraq? Im no terrorist here so dont get accusing but this area of iraq, isreal, palestine, jordan etc is where ancient mesapetania once stood and is known as the cradle of civilisation, Whereas The US is a country in its infancy with a few hundred years history and has spent the whole time i can remember picking fights with anyone who held diferent beliefs and who had something of value.
This is made so easy by the suggestability of the majority of the US public who will jump on any bandwagon involving the words terrorist or nuke.

Ok so i just read a large portion of the thread and i have to say the original post and the few following it are absolutelly stupid! Why cant you be strong minded?! this is why your leaders take the piss!! There is a real headless chicken panic created by your corrupt media. Now im not saying our media isnt corrupt but at least our range of tabloids and broadsheets are independent and express diferent perspectives.

You need to stop letting people put these catch-phrazes in your head like WMD and "axis of evil", "war on terror" and everything else created by government spin doctors. Just be strong, No-one willl ever detonate more thermo -nuclear devices over your soil than your leaders allready have! What did you guys call those poor fucks in the desert near white sands? down-winders or something? now THAT IS scary.

You all really believe in this dont you? Its bad MJ karma man....

Get reading H.S.T Before you're all fucked! the good doctor gonzo will take it from here.....

PadawanBater said:

Not gonna address this huh CJ?

...didn't think so.

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You need to work on your reading comprehension paddy.

I agree that brittania has some very fine institution as does the US. What I posted was the PER CAPITA enrollment. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Britain is not in the top ten... SIGNIFICANT and far more relevant than syaing this college is better than that college. Or do you just wish to argue on everything?

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PadawanBater said:

I find it hilarious and somewhat telling where CJ and his cheerleaders have taken this argument. (not to mention the fact that these idiots are trying to defend how great our education system is while spelling shit wrong on a site that has an auto spell check.... that takes another level of stupidity...)

Weren't you the ones talking complete shit about our (USA) universities like 5 pages back?? How they're nothing but "liberal" institutions that do nothing but brainwash our youth?! Then as soon as a foreigner (Woo) even MENTIONS the fact that 'hey, Britain has some pretty good institutions too ya know...' You AUTOMATICALLY take the OPPOSITE position and DEFEND the very same institutions you were talking shit about before!

TOTAL FUCKIN' HYPOCRITES!

PWNED!

The USA is not the best there is in every single aspect of life. Get the fuck over that. There's nothing wrong with it either. If you think you're the best at everything, what the hell do you have to strive for as a nation?

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stating the fact that universities are breeding grounds for socialist thinking doesn't mean they are not teaching. Our university system is the best despite their political ambitions not because of them.
as for the US not being the best in every aspect of life... we are, because in the US you are free to do what you wish with every aspect of your life. We have the highest GDP, the highest standard of living, the largest most powerful military, give more in aid to other nations than the entire rest of the world combined, no one is judged based on their ethnicity, religious beliefs, where they come from, or what they wish to do with themselves. we are the best nation in the world and its because of our PEOPLE not our government as those "libs" would like.

Paddy, read my thread.... https://www.rollitup.org/politics/177785-what-if.html

I'd be very interested in your opinion, or diatribe, whichever comes first

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Drgreenz said:

as for the US not being the best in every aspect of life... we are, because in the US you are free to do what you wish with every aspect of your life.

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If this is true why are legal pot dispensaries in california raided by the dea, even after the OBAMA!!! administration said there would be no more? What happens if you get caught with a couple of grams of pot in texas? Why are close to 800,000 americans arrested for simple possession. Why is america the most incarcerated nation in the world? 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's inmates??? You forgot to mention how america is tops when it comes to pounds per person. what are the obesity numbers reaching now? What is the cure to obesity? surgery? not eating well and exercising?

Iranian Response to September 11 Attacks
The calamity that hit America on September 11, 2001, made the entire world condemn its culprits in themost unequivocal terms. Even a country like Iran that had till then been locked in an extremely adversarial relationship with the US did not fail to convey its sympathies for the aggrieved Americans.
President Khatami was among the first to lend his voice to the chorus of world leaders condemning the September eleven attacks : ‘on behalf of the Iranian government and the nation, I condemn the highjacking attempts and terrorist attacks on public centers in American cities which have killed a large number of innocent people.’ 7
Even the conservative media and authorities followed the people by condemning the terrorist acts. A hardliner magazine Siyasat-e-Ruz observed, ‘any act that victimises innocent people, whatever their race or nationality, for achieving the goal of greedy international politics, is severely condemned and is a terrorist and anti-human act.’8 More important, sixty thousand spectators observed a minute of silence during a soccer match in Iran’s Azadi stadium, and hundreds of young Iranians held a candlelit vigil in Tehran for the victims of September 11 attacks.9 Even the routine chants of ‘death to America’ that have become a staple part of Friday prayers in Iran ceased. To exhibit such a degree of unanimity over a foreign policy issue was simply unprecedented in the recent history of the Islamic Republic.
Tehran did not stop there and went a step ahead by offering logistical support to America. Following the US decision to wage war on the Taliban and al-Qaeda, Iran offered the use of its territory to carry out search and rescue missions for American soldiers.10 Iran expressed its willingness even to join the UN-led anti-terror campaign. Former President Akbar Hashami Rafsanjani said, ‘if the United States decides not to impose its own will, we are ready to join the anti-terrorism coalition under the umbrella of the United Nations despite our differences with the United States.’11 Notwithstanding the ‘with us or against us’ atmosphere created by the White House after September 11, that was a remarkable concession on the part of the Islamic Republic.
Iranians, however, were no philanthropists. They must have viewed the situation as a golden opportunity to settle their scores with the Taliban with whom they had long been at daggers drawn. Anyhow, whatever their intentions, their assistance must have come as a pleasant surprise to the Americans.

http://www.issi.org.pk/journal/2002_files/no_3/article/8a.htm

So this thread is about Iran, but we've talked about a few other nations in here, so...

What's everyones take on North Korea's missile launch the other day?

They claim it's for their space program, everyone else whose said anything say it's for their weapons program, your thoughts?

Well, since Iran has been working with NK on their missile tech.... it's not hard to figure out.....

They say it is for a satellite program. satellite for what? They have no internal technology other than for spying or weaponry...not like they have cell phones in any number to need a satellite.


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Update #42.....

Warnings on Iran

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the nuclear threat from Tehran.


Benjamin Netanyahu formally became Israel's Prime Minister last week, and he could not have been blunter about the strategic challenge ahead: "It is a mark of disgrace for humanity that several decades after the Holocaust the world's response to the calls by Iran's leader to destroy the state of Israel is weak, there is no condemnation and decisive measures -- almost as if dismissed as routine." He added, "We cannot afford to take lightly megalomaniac tyrants who threaten to annihilate us."
Americans in key positions have noticed this Israeli message. In a meeting Thursday at the Wall Street Journal, Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told us that "there is a leadership in Israel that is not going to tolerate" a nuclear Iran. Tehran's atomic designs, he said, were a matter of "life or death" for the Jewish state. "The operative word is 'existential.'" When we asked him whether Israel was capable of inflicting meaningful damage to Iran's nuclear installations, his answer was a simple "Yes."
The Admiral was also clear about Iran's challenge to the U.S. "I think we've got a problem now. . . . I think the Iranians are on a path to building nuclear weapons." For the time being his counsel is diplomacy, noting that "Even in the darkest days of the Cold War we talked to the Soviets." But, he added, "we don't have a lot of time."
If Israel decides to strike Iran the consequences -- intended and unintended -- will be felt far and wide, including in Iraq where, Admiral Mullen says, Iran's ability to cause mayhem "has not maxed out at all." We thought readers might like to know how the Chairman sees the threat, and how well he appreciates Israel's peril.


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CrackerJax said:

Update #42.....

Warnings on Iran

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the nuclear threat from Tehran.


Benjamin Netanyahu formally became Israel's Prime Minister last week, and he could not have been blunter about the strategic challenge ahead: "It is a mark of disgrace for humanity that several decades after the Holocaust the world's response to the calls by Iran's leader to destroy the state of Israel is weak, there is no condemnation and decisive measures -- almost as if dismissed as routine." He added, "We cannot afford to take lightly megalomaniac tyrants who threaten to annihilate us."
Americans in key positions have noticed this Israeli message. In a meeting Thursday at the Wall Street Journal, Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told us that "there is a leadership in Israel that is not going to tolerate" a nuclear Iran. Tehran's atomic designs, he said, were a matter of "life or death" for the Jewish state. "The operative word is 'existential.'" When we asked him whether Israel was capable of inflicting meaningful damage to Iran's nuclear installations, his answer was a simple "Yes."
The Admiral was also clear about Iran's challenge to the U.S. "I think we've got a problem now. . . . I think the Iranians are on a path to building nuclear weapons." For the time being his counsel is diplomacy, noting that "Even in the darkest days of the Cold War we talked to the Soviets." But, he added, "we don't have a lot of time."
If Israel decides to strike Iran the consequences -- intended and unintended -- will be felt far and wide, including in Iraq where, Admiral Mullen says, Iran's ability to cause mayhem "has not maxed out at all." We thought readers might like to know how the Chairman sees the threat, and how well he appreciates Israel's peril.


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Well you've got about two and a half months to go before your prediction invalidates itself, hope you'll explain yourself at that point.

No hard lines here...sorry. I can only gather what they spill. Intentionally or not...true or not.

Time line adjustments are quite common in Intelligence circles, they move all the time. It's a game of info and misinfo.and invalidates nothing, except for those who seek invalidation.

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CrackerJax said:

No hard lines here...sorry. I can only gather what they spill. Intentionally or not...true or not.

Time line adjustments are quite common in Intelligence circles, they move all the time. It's a game of info and misinfo.and invalidates nothing, except for those who seek invalidation.

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Well then you're not allowed to make statements claiming to know exact dates and events that'll happen like a prophet.

You can say when you think something might happen, and give evidence and reasons to support it, but the stuff you try to get across is a big difference, and never with any evidence.

You say dates... those dates pass without your prediction coming true... you fail, period. Your credibility as self acredited prophet is gone from that point on...

...so, 2 months to go CJ's. (not that it'll make a difference to me..) If no nukes fly before then, you pwned yourself with your own predictions, and this'll be the second time as McCain lost his ass big time.

it's all been prophesied to happen; read the good book"bible" and you will find that Russia and Iran form an alliance to wipe out Israel. Russia is helping Iran build their nuclear reactors, its the war of Ezekiel 38-39. you have been told. I smoke like a champ and don't doubt what the book says is true!