Is cannabis use a sin?

abandonconflict said:

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And spell correctly, and use grammar and punctuation right, I completely skipped reading it because it was so garbled. Not to be mean, because I do hate bashing on people, but when replying to a post (especially serious threads) it's important to make your post clearly written and to run it through spell/grammar check somewhere when in doubt. And to check the original purpose and to follow it and not derail the train of thought. Also saying things like "most wimmin i kno like my pp...is that a sin?" really takes away from any credibility.

Let's me civil, nice, and stay on topic mmmkay? Then we can all have a good cool time.

Dude, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I snapped and got so brutal. It is annoying that people are so fixated that they can't help but to derail my search for information, I know you were expressing yourself and I appreciate that you wished to share.

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ok cool. thanks anyway.

yup sorry..its all good..

richinweed said:

ther was an honest question asked, there was an honest question answered..i never said there was no god....so U learn to read...and Hello asshole..this is a medical mj site, expect ppl to not be as perceptive about punctual formats.(as You)...that is clearly nothing to do with the thread........to the op..if you dont like answeres dont ask questions retard!

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I meant no huge offense I simply wished to bring it to your attention it's a lot easier to understand when things are formatted more clearly. Also personally attacking the OP and name calling is really juvenile. This is my last word on the subject, peace be with you.

In the bible I don't see that alcohol is a sin. But, when the old Testament was rewirtten as the Koran, they decided that alcohol was a sin.

Only in Christianity and Judism is there sin and guilt. It came from the religion of the Jews. This horrid emotional complex forced on folks from birth by the Church. So, it begins one of the greatest of power plays ever seen on earth.

All have sinned! What??? You make up sinning unto God as you make up some convenient, limited definition of GOD, for worldly power and order in society. A church instead of a govt.

We have been fighting that for over 2000 years. It is exactly what Jesus was up against. The Church of the Jews won by simply splitting the baby in 2. Then Islam, that's 3. East Orthodox = 4. Protestants = 5, Mormons = 6. Still the same baby. Sin and guilt for all.

There is no sin. Those that say there is are judgemental power mongers. Just read up on the eastern traditions. No sin, no guilt.

And btw, there is nothing in the Constitution that says we have to accept other's beliefs. Actually we have the right and duty to dispute them. Freedom from Religion.

Doer said:

In the bible I don't see that alcohol is a sin. But, when the old Testament was rewirtten as the Koran, they decided that alcohol was a sin.

Only in Christianity and Judism is there sin and guilt. It came from the religion of the Jews. This horrid emotional complex forced on folks from birth by the Church. So, it begins one of the greatest of power plays ever seen on earth.

All have sinned! What??? You make up sinning unto God as you make up some convenient, limited definition of GOD, for worldly power and order in society. A church instead of a govt.

We have been fighting that for over 2000 years. It is exactly what Jesus was up against. The Church of the Jews won by simply splitting the baby in 2. Then Islam, that's 3. East Orthodox = 4. Protestants = 5, Mormons = 6. Still the same baby. Sin and guilt for all.

There is no sin. Those that say there is are judgemental power mongers. Just read up on the eastern traditions. No sin, no guilt.

And btw, there is nothing in the Constitution that says we have to accept other's beliefs. Actually we have the right and duty to dispute them. Freedom from Religion.

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I guess I should clarify where I am coming from here. I am on my way to becoming a medical professional. I may or may not prescribe cannabis in the future. I may or may not have a patient who feels that some medicines are sinful. I may or may not feel obliged to relieve this burden. I have asked this question several times, but my query is usually ignored and derailed by people who just wish to bash religion. So I started a thread, where I could stipulate, that I am looking for biblical arguments.

Some people are so fixated on bashing religion that they forget the meaning of secular.

What do you think of secular is? Secular is being plowed under everyday. The world is becoming less secular. It's becoming more polarized.

Religion polarizes for power. And now that I see you are somehow fishing for redemption to be a pot doctor.....well, that's part of the problem. You said you were a god denying atheist, didn't you? What kind of Dr. councils the approval aspect of GOD for his prescription? An Atheist?

There are plenty of religions orgs out there that can give you the one-two knockout punch about the sin of cannabis. Why troll here? We indulge and totally sinlessly. What other opinion do you expect? Just to show you I'm a good egg. Try these folks for answers.

www.godandscience.org/doctrine/marijuana.html

Christ means "The Annointed One"... Anthropologist Sula Benet's evidence of the word "kaneh bos'm", or cannabis, being intentionally mis-translated by the Greek Septugent to "sweet calamus", which is a cane like plant of little value, in their attempt to "hide" this marvelous plant of renown, described in Ezekial 34:29-30, was confirmed by the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem in 1980. The verse in the Bible that details God's instructions to Moses on preparing the annointing oil that was used by all of the priests, and even Christ Himself, is Exodus 30:22-23... It says 250 shekels of "sweet calamus", but is REALLY kaneh bos'm...or cannabis, to us... God even gave warnings of prohibition in the future in 1 Timothy 4:1-5... There are 12 uses of cannabis in The Bible: 1-clothing, 2-paper, 3-cord, 4-sails, 5-fish net, 6-oil, 7-sealant, 8-incense, 9-food, 10-ceremony, 11-relaxation, 12-medicine... This is confirmed in Revalation 22:1-3, where the writer talks of the tree of life, which bare 12 manner of fruits, which grows on either side of the heavenly river... It also says how the leaves of this tree is for the healing of the nations... So, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure my main man Jesus was definately exposed to cannabis, and supports it's use, and that this is EXACTLY what The Bible is speaking of... Thatz my take on this...

Lemme know when u get yer practice going, and I'll come get my recommendation from ya...lol...

Doer said:

What do you think of secular is? Secular is being plowed under everyday. The world is becoming less secular. It's becoming more polarized.

Religion polarizes for power. And now that I see you are somehow fishing for redemption to be a pot doctor.....well, that's part of the problem. You said you were a god denying atheist, didn't you? What kind of Dr. councils the approval aspect of GOD for his prescription? An Atheist?

There are plenty of religions orgs out there that can give you the one-two knockout punch about the sin of cannabis. Why troll here? We indulge and totally sinlessly. What other opinion do you expect? Just to show you I'm a good egg. Try these folks for answers.

www.godandscience.org/doctrine/marijuana.html

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I understand, I was just hoping for one civil thread. I just want to explore it. I'm starting med school this year, finished my bio pre-med last year, currently sitting on my ass and countering my corrupt education with a deep internet search and being an autodidact. More than anything, I just want info, and I think for this info, I have to rely on Christians.

GanjaGod420000 said:

Christ means "The Annointed One"... Anthropologist Sula Benet's evidence of the word "kaneh bos'm", or cannabis, being intentionally mis-translated by the Greek Septugent to "sweet calamus", which is a cane like plant of little value, in their attempt to "hide" this marvelous plant of renown, described in Ezekial 34:29-30, was confirmed by the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem in 1980. The verse in the Bible that details God's instructions to Moses on preparing the annointing oil that was used by all of the priests, and even Christ Himself, is Exodus 30:22-23... It says 250 shekels of "sweet calamus", but is REALLY kaneh bos'm...or cannabis, to us... God even gave warnings of prohibition in the future in 1 Timothy 4:1-5... There are 12 uses of cannabis in The Bible: 1-clothing, 2-paper, 3-cord, 4-sails, 5-fish net, 6-oil, 7-sealant, 8-incense, 9-food, 10-ceremony, 11-relaxation, 12-medicine... This is confirmed in Revalation 22:1-3, where the writer talks of the tree of life, which bare 12 manner of fruits, which grows on either side of the heavenly river... It also says how the leaves of this tree is for the healing of the nations... So, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure my main man Jesus was definately exposed to cannabis, and supports it's use, and that this is EXACTLY what The Bible is speaking of... Thatz my take on this...

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Fantastic, +rep for scripture references.


Anything else in the New Testament? I know Paul couldn't read Hebrew. That Revalations scripture is really vague but to me it sounds more like azadirachta indica because it is medicinal and bears fruit closer to monthly, it is also a tree and was well known back then, as it was customarily given as a gift by historic India to heal nations.

no... there is no such thing as sin... other than the creation of what any legalism/religion has made up... the use of the word "sin" was promulgated by the roman catholic church, which was defined as any and all violations of their bullshit legal system...

you all dont need to try to find any "loopholes" in the bible to try and "justify" smoking or consuming cannabis...

simply put there is nothing immoral or wrong nor harmful to another being by your consumption of cannabis...

just ask yourselves these two questions...

1.) did you physically touch and harm another human??? if answer is no then good you have done no harm... and is therefore perfectly moral...

2.) did you physically take the cannabis from someone else without their consent??? if answer is no then good again you have done nothing wrong...

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cannofbliss said:

no... there is no such thing as sin... other than the creation of what any legalism/religion has made up... the use of the word "sin" was promulgated by the roman catholic church, which was defined as any and all violations of their bullshit legal system...

you all dont need to try to find any "loopholes" in the bible to try and "justify" smoking or consuming cannabis...

simply put there is nothing immoral or wrong nor harmful to another being by your consumption of cannabis...

just ask yourselves these two questions...

1.) did you physically touch and harm another human??? if answer is no then good you have done no harm... and is therefore perfectly moral...

2.) did you physically take the cannabis from someone else without their consent??? if answer is no then good again you have done nothing wrong...

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OK, you didn't read the first post. I didn't ask if it was moral, I asked if it was a sin. I am aware that all you have to do is reject the religion to dismiss any guilt. Don't be an ass.

I'm actually glad that this thread serves the double purpose of pointing out how fixated some atheists are about attacking religion any chance they get. It proves the claim that many religious folks make that they are persecuted and I completely agree. Some of you guys are unforgiving and closed minded. Your form of atheism is as much a dogma as any religion and I wish do disassociate from that sort of thing, although I am an agnostic atheist myself. You guys just couldn't help yourselves, you saw the word "sin" and equated it to immoral judgment and went into attack. Who is being judgmental now?

You can derail the thread all you want now, I think that all the biblical arguments that I was looking for have been nailed.

A sin is whatever is politically adventageous to outlaw at the time of writing (or editing). Notice there is no commandment against putting your penis in someones eye without sexual motivation, or building a ridiculously tall house beside a really small house. Apparently it's not a sin for the church to invest in arms companies or other harmful commercial entities. Sin is in the eye of the beholder, especially if it's a penis in their eye...

Rascality Afoot said:

A sin is whatever is politically adventageous to outlaw at the time of writing (or editing). Notice there is no commandment against putting your penis in someones eye without sexual motivation, or building a ridiculously tall house beside a really small house. Apparently it's not a sin for the church to invest in arms companies or other harmful commercial entities. Sin is in the eye of the beholder, especially if it's a penis in their eye...

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"All things are subject to interpretation, whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."
~Freidrich Nietzsche

abandonconflict said:

OK first off, this thread isn't the place for bashing any religion. Please, leave opinions about the religion overall out of this. I would like to hear BIBLICAL arguments, for or against the use of cannabis. Does Christianity consider it a sin?

I happen to be an atheist, but I am curious nonetheless if a case can be made, within the scope of biblical cannon, that it is not at all a sin to partake of the mota. If you believe it is, by all means, expound. All I ask is that we respect each other's beliefs.

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christians claim everything on earth was made by god, therefore it is "holy". this includes marijuana, papi plant for opium, mushrooms, DMT and many other natural drugs. too bad all the priests like little boys, so who are they to call people sinners? we're all "sinners", nobody has real faith. jesus said all these things but people still follow a book that is composed of many different texts many years apart. most of them still use the cross to represent jesus, and he said we should NOT do that, yet every church has a cross above it. i think if he was still alive he would find it offensive, he didnt die because of people sins, he died cause some assholes didnt believe what he said.
the ironic thing is the catholic church did the same thing to scientists that the jews did to jesus, goes to show religion causes more destruction than peace, especially when the goal of that religion is power. watch some of the bullshit christian channels on tv, call the number they tell you to call and they'll guarantee you god will forgive you for your sins if you donate a few dollars. this is basically the equivalent to when the medieval Roman-catholic church scammed people into buying tickets to heaven, or buying food for their dead family members in the afterlife. christianity's purpose is to scam, most foreign countries are very aware of this. sadly, the US lags behind and still follows a 2000 year old book. think about how much land churches occupy in the US also, they dont pay taxes or anything. that land can be occupied by hospitals or schools.

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I'm actually glad that this thread serves the double purpose of pointing out how fixated some atheists are about attacking religion any chance they get. It proves the claim that many religious folks make that they are persecuted and I completely agree. Some of you guys are unforgiving and closed minded. Your form of atheism is as much a dogma as any religion and I wish do disassociate from that sort of thing, although I am an agnostic atheist myself. You guys just couldn't help yourselves, you saw the word "sin" and equated it to immoral judgment and went into attack. Who is being judgmental now?

You can derail the thread all you want now, I think that all the biblical arguments that I was looking for have been nailed.

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man do i love these modes of "communication" kinda like how bad "txts" can be at any form of effective communication...

lol silly... i did read the first comment and if i were "replying" in direct relation to that post i would have put it in the quotations above... kinda like i did with this comment here and clicked "reply with quote"...

anyways, no one was bashing anyone nor "persecuting"... perhaps this will make it a little clearer...

if you have interpreted or the religious people had interpreted that i had harassed or punished in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict upon them; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief..

straight from merriam-webster themselves...

then thats just plain silly, and perhaps the "internalization" of perceived injury is most likely the reason why people get "hurt" when anyone "affixes themselves to any identity that they want to "relate to"...

if you or any religious person feels that way all because i stated one fact about the roman catholic church then geesh how must you or any religious person feel when they get a history lesson on something like christianity or islam or whatever religion...

anyways you asked the question "is cannabis use a sin"... and i just simply answered it... and wasnt attacking anyone...

the extra of what was in the post after the answer was given in light of facts...

i mean geesh... you wanted to give crazyhazey some rep and he went and made a comment about priests and boys, and i never even went to that stretch or length, as that, even though fact, seemed to be more of a jab at "religion" than what i commented...

but i guess it looks as if he has one thing in common with you that it seems that he believes in this stuff and thinks its real... so i guess thats why you "agree" with him and not me... lol