Is Christianity Safe?

Is Christianity Safe?

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morgentaler

morgentaler

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Brazko said:
All Power Corrupts, the blind with the Innocent, however, they too are Cowards and Atheists...
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Cowardly is walking around proclaiming your belief in Sky Captain Jesus as eternal fire insurance.

Cowardly is standing up in the pulpit and political chambers as a Christian attacking the immorality of single parents and gays, only to be caught out in a mens room or a parked car with a prostitute's cock in your mouth.

Cowardly is teaching children if they don't follow the bible they will burn in hell.

Cowardly is using the term "atheist coward" whenever you don't have an actual argument to present because you're a rambling idiot.
 
LaughingJim

LaughingJim

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LOL...

There is bloodshed all throughout the Bible, with God personally killing (or having killed) an estimated 2,391,421 people.
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Did you forget that "God" killed "Everyone", except Noah, his cargo and his family... Even all the innocent animals and humans... (Back when the world was flat. God must have forgotten to tell anyone that the world was really round... it must have slipped his mind... you know, after he created it...)

No religion is safe. Beliefs are what segregate people and cause wars. (Religion is not the only "belief" that I am talking about.)

As long as one group wants something, or doesn't want something, that another group has... There will be blood spilled. Even those who choose to do nothing, have done something to contribute to the whole. (It is those people that each "religion" wants to adopt, to gain more power, money, following, etc... To make themselves look better to others, or gain leverage into a place they think exists.)

The only thing that every religion can agree with, is that every religion, except their own, is wrong.
 
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christoisonfire

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Its very dangerous. More lives have been lost in the name of Christianity than all other reasons combined. Where ever Christians moved at least in pre-modern times, there was a subsequent destruction of cultures and peoples in the name of bringing Christ and Civilization to barbarians.
 
elduece

elduece

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It's just one of many religions that serves the same purpose. Reality, reason and logic alone is not enough to compel most humans into making great sacrifices. Given enough religious fervor, people will throw themselves against impossible odds and consider themselves blessed into doing so.
 
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PadawanBater

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elduece said:
It's just one of many religions that serves the same purpose. Reality, reason and logic alone is not enough to compel most humans into making STUPID sacrifices. Given enough religious fervor, people will throw themselves against impossible odds and consider themselves blessed into doing so.
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Fixed.

And I'm damn proud of my ability to see through the bullshit.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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I wonder if any of the religious or agnostic people would care to comment on the existence of TANGATA-MANU.

Where does he fit into your view of the world? Do you give thanks to him during easter egg hunts?

Or do you deny that he exists?
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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morgentaler said:
I wonder if any of the religious or agnostic people would care to comment on the existence of TANGATA-MANU.

Where does he fit into your view of the world? Do you give thanks to him during easter egg hunts?

Or do you deny that he exists?
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Don't know why you would be putting agnostic into the same barrel as the religious for this but I would view this bird-man the same way I view the so called gods of religions, that they are man made ideas and nothing more.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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krustofskie said:
Don't know why you would be putting agnostic into the same barrel as the religious for this but I would view this bird-man the same way I view the so called gods of religions, that they are man made ideas and nothing more.
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There seem to be two types of agnostics here, so the replies might sort out which people are agnostic, and which people are only agnostic about "THE" god, and absolutely certain Thor doesn't exist.
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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I had a thought. If man were the decendents of Mdma, sorr adam, and eve. But everyone but Noah, and his family, was wiped out at the great flood. Wouldn't all man be decended from NaOH? Sorry Noah.

Peace
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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morgentaler said:
There seem to be two types of agnostics here, so the replies might sort out which people are agnostic, and which people are only agnostic about "THE" god, and absolutely certain Thor doesn't exist.
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Very much like Dawkins says then when he says he's just Atheist about one more god than most.
I see where your coming from now. It is difficult to define though as there are many different variations of agnosticism, probably as many variations as there is in Christianity (well maybe not that many but you get my drift), but the general consensus with agnostics is that all religions are man made and their gods are non existent. Its hard to get this through to some, especially religious types. Everyone in my family (all Catholics, including my wife) label me Atheist as I don't believe in 'their' god even when I try to explain that I don't claim there is no god I just simply dont know and the evidence is lacking for me to give a definitive answer (must say I do ere on the side of there being no god though), but because I don't follow a religion they say that makes me an Atheist. I suppose I am as close as an agnostic can be to an all out Atheist which can be confusing, hell I confuse myself quite often.
 
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PadawanBater

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krustofskie said:
Very much like Dawkins says then when he says he's just Atheist about one more god than most.
I see where your coming from now. It is difficult to define though as there are many different variations of agnosticism, probably as many variations as there is in Christianity (well maybe not that many but you get my drift), but the general consensus with agnostics is that all religions are man made and their gods are non existent. Its hard to get this through to some, especially religious types. Everyone in my family (all Catholics, including my wife) label me Atheist as I don't believe in 'their' god even when I try to explain that I don't claim there is no god I just simply dont know and the evidence is lacking for me to give a definitive answer (must say I do ere on the side of there being no god though), but because I don't follow a religion they say that makes me an Atheist. I suppose I am as close as an agnostic can be to an all out Atheist which can be confusing, hell I confuse myself quite often.
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You're as much an atheist as I am bro, you've seen my posts. ;)

We share almost identicle positions.
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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PadawanBater said:
You're as much an atheist as I am bro, you've seen my posts. ;)

We share almost identicle positions.
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But I would not call myself atheist even though you're right that we agree on most things, there is a very fine line between atheism and agnosticism sometimes.

I do believe a lot of people call themselves atheist's when they are probably more likely agnostic but either get labeled atheist, as I am, or use the term atheist because of lack of knowledge in the terminology of agnosticism by themselves or others (does that make sense, tried to put it differently in my head a few different ways but none seemed quite right, anyhow) Atheism is also easier to explain.

I find atheism is a complete lack of belief in the existence of any pathomable or unpathomable idea of a god where as agnosticism is the complete lack of belief in religion, the variations of agnosticism is in what the idea of a god is or could be and what you think the likelyhood of one existing is.
 
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PadawanBater

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krustofskie said:
But I would not call myself atheist even though you're right that we agree on most things, there is a very fine line between atheism and agnosticism sometimes.

I do believe a lot of people call themselves atheist's when they are probably more likely agnostic but either get labeled atheist, as I am, or use the term atheist because of lack of knowledge in the terminology of agnosticism by themselves or others (does that make sense, tried to put it differently in my head a few different ways but none seemed quite right, anyhow) Atheism is also easier to explain.

I find atheism is a complete lack of belief in the existence of any pathomable or unpathomable idea of a god where as agnosticism is the complete lack of belief in religion, the variations of agnosticism is in what the idea of a god is or could be and what you think the likelyhood of one existing is.
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I hold that I don't know if a god exists. I do know any god mankind has thought up, Zeus, Thor, Allah, Jesus, ect. all of them do not exist as the creator of this universe. I can say that with almost 100% certainty. (as keeping a scientists perspective, nothing is ever 100% certain)

That makes me an atheist.

Could there be something out there? Something outside our universe that established or created ours? Sure, why not? Could it be a force we can't understand or haven't been able to detect yet? Sure, why not? Could it be a man born of a virgin who descended from a man who God saved from a worldwide flood to repopulate the earth after he had destroyed it because the previous population of people that he himself created were too fucked up and needed to be killed... who descended from a man who was created out of dirt who ate the fruit from a tree put right in the middle of a garden God himself created and specifically told the man not to eat from while simultaneously knew he'd do it anyway...

No. No it couldn't. :neutral::lol:
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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krustofskie said:
I find atheism is a complete lack of belief in the existence of any pathomable or unpathomable idea of a god where as agnosticism is the complete lack of belief in religion, the variations of agnosticism is in what the idea of a god is or could be and what you think the likelyhood of one existing is.
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Gnostic just means "to know" with no other connotations than what it's associated with.

So you can be a gnostic or agnostic of any concept, not strictly religion :)

You can be a gnostic a-unicornist. Or an agnostic fart-in-your-sleeper.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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let me think


1st crusade, let me think some more, 2nd crusade, and a bit more, oh, 3rd crusade.

i'ma gonna have to say no :)

i think it's silly to start a thread aimed specifically at christianity. is ANY religion safe? i think i'd have to say no to that as well.
 
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PadawanBater

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tip top toker said:
let me think


1st crusade, let me think some more, 2nd crusade, and a bit more, oh, 3rd crusade.

i'ma gonna have to say no :)

i think it's silly to start a thread aimed specifically at christianity. is ANY religion safe? i think i'd have to say no to that as well.
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Very good point, and I'd absolutely agree (regarding all the religions I've ever learned about, there might be a few out there that don't spout violence at every disagreement, but I haven't heard of them...) all organized religions are dangerous to the rest of us. But the point of the thread was to show a few of the other members what the people here thought about Christianity specifically. They were claiming they were morally superior and that their beliefs were the only way to personal happiness and a lot of other retarded bullshit with no proof or evidence or anything else to back it up. So I started this poll, and gee wizz... take a look at the results... :o - Never coulda guessed it...
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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morgentaler said:
Gnostic just means "to know" with no other connotations than what it's associated with.

So you can be a gnostic or agnostic of any concept, not strictly religion :)

You can be a gnostic a-unicornist. Or an agnostic fart-in-your-sleeper.
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Granted, but we are in the context of religion so its meaning gets narrowed slightly
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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PadawanBater said:
I hold that I don't know if a god exists. I do know any god mankind has thought up, Zeus, Thor, Allah, Jesus, ect. all of them do not exist as the creator of this universe. I can say that with almost 100% certainty. (as keeping a scientists perspective, nothing is ever 100% certain)

That makes me an atheist.

Could there be something out there? Something outside our universe that established or created ours? Sure, why not? Could it be a force we can't understand or haven't been able to detect yet? Sure, why not? Could it be a man born of a virgin who descended from a man who God saved from a worldwide flood to repopulate the earth after he had destroyed it because the previous population of people that he himself created were too fucked up and needed to be killed... who descended from a man who was created out of dirt who ate the fruit from a tree put right in the middle of a garden God himself created and specifically told the man not to eat from while simultaneously knew he'd do it anyway...

No. No it couldn't. :neutral::lol:
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I agree with this and I say that is an agnostic view. Do you know there is no god of any kind whatsoever, not just the religions constructed by man, but do you know there is not and can not be any god at all. To be truly atheist this is the stand you must make. If you just disbelieve the man made religions and cant answer if there is a god of any kind then that's agnosticism.
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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Paddy and morgen, you got me looking at the distinctions between Atheism and Agnosticism a lot closer. There are so many different ideas about both and it seems to me that there is not a line you can cross to say this is where agnosticism ends and atheism begins. There seems to be a very large middle ground where the two merge. As with your comment earlier Paddy that I say seems an agnostic view to me and to you its what defines you as Atheist, suppose it depends on your perspective as to which side it would belong. Seems most of my ideas fall smack bang in the middle ground, can I call myself an 'agnostic atheist'? may seem better suited or does this just cause more confusion.
 
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