Is Gay Marriage Really That Big Deal?

CrackerJax said:

But it isn't equal to hetero marriage. That's my point. It should be.

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I can only surmise you have a personal stake in the outcome, if only to be able to claim gay friendly status, even. (I know, I know; your "personal stake" is equality for all...) That's short sighted. The acceptance of gay lifestyles, in America, is moving forward at warp speed. You want change, now, not citizen led reform, at its own speed. You're pretty good on most everything else, though.

doobnVA said:

The problem with the equal protection clause in regards to gay marriage, is that the Supreme court hasn't designated homosexuals as a suspect class (a group of people to be protected under law), which means they aren't entitled to "equal protection under law", so the states can discriminate against them with no fear of reprisal from the federal government.

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Discriminate how? If your an adult, you can get married, just like your neighbor.

ChChoda said:

I can only surmise you have a personal stake in the outcome, if only to be able to claim gay friendly status, even. (I know, I know; your "personal stake" is equality for all...) That's short sighted. The acceptance of gay lifestyles, in America, is moving forward at warp speed. You want change, now, not citizen led reform, at its own speed. Your pretty good on most everything else, though.

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I have absolutely nothing to gain. I've been married for 24 years.

I simply can't see why anyone who is willing to make a real commitment to being married, isn't afforded the same rights as myself. My wife and I get a better deal, and that's not equal. I try to follow the spirit of the Constitution whenever I can.

I'm only conservative with issues of spending other ppl's money. Socially, I am not conservative at all.

CrackerJax said:

I'm only conservative with issues of spending other ppl's money. Socially, I am not conservative at all.

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Contemporary American conservatism doesn't differentiate between the two. They are equal. Not separate. That would be discriminatory.

Conservative meaning frugal with other ppl's money... not as a blanket political ideology.

I am for many issues which are considered to be on the "left". I just disagree vehemently that Socialism is the correct vehicle to achieve these common goals we share.

That's all...

I believe they should have the same rights as any other straight person.Most marriages end in divorce anyway and that is against the bibles believe.Anyone who still needs a bible of any kind to have good morals is week minded and clutching to a false promise of after life out of fear or years of conditioning from their parents.

Socialism A word used by the right to put fear into fear mongers to spread more fear of America becoming a Nazi type country.This type of propaganda is the oldest type and works great on the simple mind who cant look past the surface of things.This type of fear gets old people all fired up and small town hicks with little intellect really just simple minded follow your leader clutch the bible type fools.

JimmyPot said:

Socialism A word used by the right to put fear into fear mongers to spread more fear of America becoming a Nazi type country.This type of propaganda is the oldest type and works great on the simple mind who cant look past the surface of things.This type of fear gets old people all fired up and small town hicks with little intellect really just simple minded follow your leader clutch the bible type fools.

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Pretty gay (pun intended).

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ChChoda said:

Pretty gay (pun intended).

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Using your own logic, you're pretty gay ChChoda...

PadawanBater said:

Using your own logic, you're pretty gay ChChoda...

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You suck dude...

you should totally look up the definition of 'collective reality' lol

the christian institution of marriage is imploding on itself, it's been redefined by a primarily agnostic society hence the laws should reflect the redefinition

If there is a socialist system that Cracker might be able to endure, it may be the german version of socialism. Not the one today, but the one they are headed for (maybe).... that gal Merkel is a sharp leader.

A lot sharper than ours.

Marriage laws are not designed to bind two individuals together. They are designed to bind two individuals to the state.
You must ask permission to marry. You must be granted permission to divorce. Both times you get to pay money to bureaucrats.

What sickens me is when you have a gay couple where one of them is critically injured or killed and suddenly, in the eyes of the law and the medical establishment the other person is a stranger.
No access to the bedside.
In some cases no access to the children.
No benefits to support the children if they even manage to keep them.

That's just wrong.

At least gay marriage is legal in Canada now, and we haven't imploded from the horrible impact of sin yet.
Can a whole country burn in hell? If that's going to happen, then we better hurry up and get pot legalized too.

We just had this debate in my American government class and all the reasons that people gave against it were just dumb as the ones listed on the first post. There really is no reason that this shouldn't be allowed. Its been legal in Massachusetts since 2004 (i think, maybe 2003) and that state still has the lowest divorce rate in the country. That's a pretty good sign that allowing gay marriage won't corrupt society like all the people against it want you to believe.

I really need to smoke. That shit pisses me off, and I'm not even gay!

why is so many people against it. is it your life? who cares let em get married i don't care.

I didn't read through the thread and I'm not going to. I'm just wondering if anyone has pointed out that there is a huge difference between allowing Gays to live as legal spouses and redefining marriage. I am all for gay rights and think they should have the same rights as everyone.

I do not however believe that marriage ought to be redefined because that is another issue. To redefine marriage means that everyone MUST accept the gay lifestyle as equal to traditional marriage. What that means is that schools would be FORCED to teach about gay marriage and about gay sex in sex ed classes.

School libraries would be FORCED to include children's books about Gay couples along side more traditional books. Gay activist groups and their lawyers such as the ACLU might even sue to ensure that such books are present in equal number.

And of course we will be up to our ears in lawsuits if adoption agencies refuse to place children in gay homes. This has already become an issue where gay marriage is legal and the Catholic Church has been forced out of the adoption business already in these states.

Looking into the future, I can envision a day when Gays protest because they feel under represented in Hollywood just as Blacks have done in the not too distant past.

In the end, giving Gays equal rights is easy and it isn't the issue. The gay marriage debate isn't about equal rights, it is about forcing the general public to abandon their own beliefs and accept the gay lifestyle as part of the mainstream.

While I am all for gay rights, I refuse to help them force their ways down the throats of others who do not agree with it and I refuse to take a chance on putting children into situations that my experience and intuition tells me has a high probability for child abuse.

If two guys want to live together as husband and husband it is their business, I just think they should keep it that way.

CrackerJax said:

If there is a socialist system that Cracker might be able to endure, it may be the german version of socialism. Not the one today, but the one they are headed for (maybe).... that gal Merkel is a sharp leader.

A lot sharper than ours.

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You do know that Merkel is the one calling for Amsterdam to close its Cafe's to foreigners. No more in the dam if you stick with her.

I usually don't make any single issue a deal breaker.

CrackerJax said:

I usually don't make any single issue a deal breaker.

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Thats good. Suppose it wouldn't matter if shes against smoke so much anyway. Its illegal now and we would do it anyway, who's in power wont change it.

And to keep on topic and not sidetrack the thread too much, of course Gays should be allowed to marry. Anyone who says different is a bigot.