Is Hillary a gun grabber?

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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I support common sense gun control legislation; things like universal background checks and removing the gun show loophole

A mass shooting every single week on average in America is unacceptable and I'm afraid "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" isn't a pragmatic solution to the problem. We have to do something and to conservatives, everything is an infringement on their rights. Well, people have a right to the reasonable expectation of safety and security in this country and allowing any psychopath with daddy issues to legally purchase or obtain a weapon to commit mass murder isn't really cutting it.

I would also make it federally illegal to publish or make publicly known the perpetrators name and picture to quell the fame aspect some of these people hope to achieve
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Padawanbater2 said:
I support common sense gun control legislation; things like universal background checks and removing the gun show loophole

A mass shooting every single week on average in America is unacceptable and I'm afraid "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" isn't a pragmatic solution to the problem. We have to do something and to conservatives, everything is an infringement on their rights. Well, people have a right to the reasonable expectation of safety and security in this country and allowing any psychopath with daddy issues to legally purchase or obtain a weapon to commit mass murder isn't really cutting it.

I would also make it federally illegal to publish or make publicly known the perpetrators name and picture to quell the fame aspect some of these people hope to achieve
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Pad, I think most people realize we have issues in this country. Yes there are some that say no no no matter what, but most realize the problem is pretty serious here.

Where people end up getting called conservative by the feels crowd is when we hear "common sense" and suddenly a gun that looks scary is illegal, a pistol grip is illegal, and then we are told by you guys some of the dumbest shit ever. If you haven't read up on any of it, it's recommended reading for sure. Shoot, just google Feinstein on guns and you should either get a belly laugh or feel very sad people like that are in politics.

Mass shootings are done by the crazies, it's more of a mental health problem then a gun problem. The publicity feeds that and I think you nailed that one. The "gun problem" in this country is in the same cities every year. You whine about 9 people getting shot but completely ignore the other 6000. What the fuck is wrong with that picture? We can never get the liberals to address this, why not? Is it because deep down you guys know this happens in cities run by libs more often than not and your policies don't work? No, that's not it, surely...

9 white people get shot and the president holds a press conference, social media blows up, the gun craziness happens from both sides. 30 black kids got shot yesterday....crickets. I'm going to pull an uncletard and claim that all gun control freaks are racist. I'm open to changing my mind though, just put forth an argument why you are not?
 
The_Herban_Legend

The_Herban_Legend

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ginwilly said:
Pad, I think most people realize we have issues in this country. Yes there are some that say no no no matter what, but most realize the problem is pretty serious here.

Where people end up getting called conservative by the feels crowd is when we hear "common sense" and suddenly a gun that looks scary is illegal, a pistol grip is illegal, and then we are told by you guys some of the dumbest shit ever. If you haven't read up on any of it, it's recommended reading for sure. Shoot, just google Feinstein on guns and you should either get a belly laugh or feel very sad people like that are in politics.

Mass shootings are done by the crazies, it's more of a mental health problem then a gun problem. The publicity feeds that and I think you nailed that one. The "gun problem" in this country is in the same cities every year. You whine about 9 people getting shot but completely ignore the other 6000. What the fuck is wrong with that picture? We can never get the liberals to address this, why not? Is it because deep down you guys know this happens in cities run by libs more often than not and your policies don't work? No, that's not it, surely...

9 white people get shot and the president holds a press conference, social media blows up, the gun craziness happens from both sides. 30 black kids got shot yesterday....crickets. I'm going to pull an uncletard and claim that all gun control freaks are racist. I'm open to changing my mind though, just put forth an argument why you are not?
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Good point, guns are not the problem, mentally ill people are. We need less prisons and more mental institutions, Fucken Reagan!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
I support common sense gun control legislation; things like universal background checks and removing the gun show loophole

A mass shooting every single week on average in America is unacceptable and I'm afraid "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" isn't a pragmatic solution to the problem. We have to do something and to conservatives, everything is an infringement on their rights. Well, people have a right to the reasonable expectation of safety and security in this country and allowing any psychopath with daddy issues to legally purchase or obtain a weapon to commit mass murder isn't really cutting it.

I would also make it federally illegal to publish or make publicly known the perpetrators name and picture to quell the fame aspect some of these people hope to achieve
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Common sense exits the building when you propose gun control which will be enforced by people with guns.


It already IS illegal for the federal government to infringe on a persons right to defend themselves or be armed. People that benefit from an unarmed populace are thieves intent on robbing others and government, but I repeat myself.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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The_Herban_Legend said:
Good point, guns are not the problem, mentally ill people are. We need less prisons and more mental institutions, Fucken Reagan!
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It's not a simple solution, that's for sure.

Now think about someone who is suspected to be mentally ill by a health care professional. Who can they tell without violating HIPPA? What if a lawsuit of defamation or libel is brought against that worker? How do you prove someone "might" do something later?

So as it stands now, you could possibly face 50k in fines and jail time for violating HIPAA, then get sued in a civil case, have your professional license suspended and be labeled as the person who sticks their nose in where it doesn't belong and reports people who have done nothing wrong (yet). Good luck keeping a pt base after that.

I don't have the answers but looking to the people who caused a lot of the problems for solutions is probably not the best way.

I'm not a fan of locking up crazy people who have not committed crimes just in case... There are posters here, who wish death on other members, make fun of children burning, laugh about soldiers getting killed, shit on floors of public restaurants... you know, socially unacceptable behavior. Is it lock up worthy? I don't think so, are those the type of people most likely to snap? of course. Maybe once identified as a loon you have to attend outpatient meetings once a month so we can keep tabs on your craziness?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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The_Herban_Legend said:
Good point, guns are not the problem, mentally ill people are. We need less prisons and more mental institutions, Fucken Reagan!
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Reagan? It was a lawsuit by the ACLU that shut down the mental institutions.
The weapon used most often to murder people in the US is "hands and feet:". Perhaps we should literally "disarm" and "deleg" everybody.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ginwilly said:
It's not a simple solution, that's for sure.

Now think about someone who is suspected to be mentally ill by a health care professional. Who can they tell without violating HIPPA? What if a lawsuit of defamation or libel is brought against that worker? How do you prove someone "might" do something later?

So as it stands now, you could possibly face 50k in fines and jail time for violating HIPAA, then get sued in a civil case, have your professional license suspended and be labeled as the person who sticks their nose in where it doesn't belong and reports people who have done nothing wrong (yet). Good luck keeping a pt base after that.

I don't have the answers but looking to the people who caused a lot of the problems for solutions is probably not the best way.

I'm not a fan of locking up crazy people who have not committed crimes just in case... There are posters here, who wish death on other members, make fun of children burning, laugh about soldiers getting killed, shit on floors of public restaurants... you know, socially unacceptable behavior. Is it lock up worthy? I don't think so, are those the type of people most likely to snap? of course. Maybe once identified as a loon you have to attend outpatient meetings once a month so we can keep tabs on your craziness?
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Doubt that would pass muster from a civil liberties standpoint.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Red1966 said:
Doubt that would pass muster from a civil liberties standpoint.
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You mean as a professional I could call you crazy and dangerous and should not own guns and have no worries of blowback? Doubt it. If it were me, I would sue for defamation of character. That's a pretty brutal charge to have over your head.

Seriously, there was a provision in one of the many versions of the ACA that gave me the power to report anyone suspicious because I'm a professional healthcare worker. I'm a physiotherapist. I can rehab your ACL repair, help you walk after your stroke, help with back pain..... and judge craziness according to the first passed ACA bill. How does that sit with people? Your physical therapist, dentist, nurse, proctologist, pharmacist, chiropractor was given the superpowers to determine if you are too dangerous to own a gun, think there might be some issues there? You think there might be some serious anti-gun healthcare workers?

Of course, it also went against HIPAA and was just one more reason that shitty bill had to "fixed" so many times.
 
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ChesusRice

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Red1966 said:
Reagan? It was a lawsuit by the ACLU that shut down the mental institutions.
The weapon used most often to murder people in the US is "hands and feet:". Perhaps we should literally "disarm" and "deleg" everybody.
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Wrong
Wrong
And wrong.
How about some citations for the shit you just pulled out of your ass?
 
The_Herban_Legend

The_Herban_Legend

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Red1966

Red1966

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ginwilly said:
You mean as a professional I could call you crazy and dangerous and should not own guns and have no worries of blowback? Doubt it. If it were me, I would sue for defamation of character. That's a pretty brutal charge to have over your head.

Seriously, there was a provision in one of the many versions of the ACA that gave me the power to report anyone suspicious because I'm a professional healthcare worker. I'm a physiotherapist. I can rehab your ACL repair, help you walk after your stroke, help with back pain..... and judge craziness according to the first passed ACA bill. How does that sit with people? Your physical therapist, dentist, nurse, proctologist, pharmacist, chiropractor was given the superpowers to determine if you are too dangerous to own a gun, think there might be some issues there? You think there might be some serious anti-gun healthcare workers?

Of course, it also went against HIPAA and was just one more reason that shitty bill had to "fixed" so many times.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear. I meant forcing them to under go treatment wouldn't pass muster.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
Wrong
Wrong
And wrong.
How about some citations for the shit you just pulled out of your ass?
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Back in the 60's I think, the ACLU filed suit to stop the forcible incarceration of the mentally ill in state run treatment facilities. So they turned them out by the thousands. Many died of exposure.
The_Herban_Legend said:
Yes, Reagan! Have a read for yourself. This might have less pictures than you're accustomed to but I am confident you will comprehend.
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/
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Really? You cite a liberal rag as a reliable source?
 
The_Herban_Legend

The_Herban_Legend

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Red1966 said:
Back in the 60's I think, the ACLU filed suit to stop the forcible incarceration of the mentally ill in state run treatment facilities. So they turned them out by the thousands. Many died of exposure.

Really? You cite a liberal rag as a reliable source?
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Unlike like you, I have no political ideology other than TRUTH! I speak to truth while you regergitate from the right and others from the left.
 
G

god1

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ginwilly said:
You mean as a professional I could call you crazy and dangerous and should not own guns and have no worries of blowback? Doubt it. If it were me, I would sue for defamation of character. That's a pretty brutal charge to have over your head.

Seriously, there was a provision in one of the many versions of the ACA that gave me the power to report anyone suspicious because I'm a professional healthcare worker. I'm a physiotherapist. I can rehab your ACL repair, help you walk after your stroke, help with back pain..... and judge craziness according to the first passed ACA bill. How does that sit with people? Your physical therapist, dentist, nurse, proctologist, pharmacist, chiropractor was given the superpowers to determine if you are too dangerous to own a gun, think there might be some issues there? You think there might be some serious anti-gun healthcare workers?

Of course, it also went against HIPAA and was just one more reason that shitty bill had to "fixed" so many times.
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HIPAA is merely the shield that many states and institutions use as justification to not provide mental health info into the federal system. HIPAA itself makes an exception on disclosure when required by law. Part of the problem is that reporting to NICS is voluntary, so not all states do.

There's enough legislation, lack of continuity is a bigger issue in terms of enforcement.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ginwilly said:
Mass shootings are done by the crazies, it's more of a mental health problem then a gun problem.
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No, it's both. Other countries have comparable numbers of mentally unstable people, they just don't have the same access to guns as Americans do.
ginwilly said:
The publicity feeds that and I think you nailed that one. The "gun problem" in this country is in the same cities every year. You whine about 9 people getting shot but completely ignore the other 6000. What the fuck is wrong with that picture? We can never get the liberals to address this, why not? Is it because deep down you guys know this happens in cities run by libs more often than not and your policies don't work? No, that's not it, surely...
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I already addressed this. If city A has gun control and city B doesn't, anyone from city A can travel to city B, legally purchase a gun and travel back to city A. There are no laws restricting travel between cities/states, effectively subverting the gun control regulations. A more honest analysis is comparing the rate of death by firearm in the US with that of other countries because in order to import guns you have to cross borders and pass checkpoints, and when you do that the picture is as clear as day; more guns = more gun violence.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/14/more-guns-more-crime-new-research-debunks-a-central-thesis-of-the-gun-rights-movement/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/
http://www.livescience.com/39813-gun-ownership-increases-firearms-deaths.html
http://www.livescience.com/51446-guns-do-not-deter-crime.html
ginwilly said:
9 white people get shot and the president holds a press conference, social media blows up, the gun craziness happens from both sides. 30 black kids got shot yesterday....crickets. I'm going to pull an uncletard and claim that all gun control freaks are racist. I'm open to changing my mind though, just put forth an argument why you are not?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/26/were-now-averaging-more-than-one-mass-shooting-per-day-in-2015/

Nice race card, what, are you trying to take a page from Uncle Buck now?

I think you're right though, when 9 innocent black people were murdered in a church in Charleston, the left didn't even really know about that.. I don't remember hearing anything on the news about it. That just happened and people were like "What? A shooting? .. well were they white? Because that's all I really care about.."

:dunce:
 
Red1966

Red1966

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The_Herban_Legend said:
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Unlike like you, I have no political ideology other than TRUTH! I speak to truth while you regergitate from the right and others from the left.
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Labeling your leftie propaganda "the TRUTH" doesn't make it so. Trying to pretend you have no political ideology isn't fooling anybody.
 
The_Herban_Legend

The_Herban_Legend

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Red1966 said:
Labeling your leftie propaganda "the TRUTH" doesn't make it so. Trying to pretend you have no political ideology isn't fooling anybody.
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Interesting, so I am a lefty who is against gun control and does not believe evidence yet supports that man is the cause of climate change? Seems legit.
 
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