insidagain
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Couldn't nature make a hermie out of a female if she didn't get pollinated to ensure survival of the species in the wild. Like some frogs do?
Is it possible for a hermie seed to produce a 100% female plant?
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ayr0n
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tstick
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I am not an evil genius or a mad scientist…
And I wish I paid more attention in biology class…because a lot of the technical data that has been posted, is hard for me to interpret and understand. I need it in "Hey, I'm a dumbass!" terms lol! 
But that's what I was thinking, too (I think!!). So…is THIS correct?:
A cannabis plant -ANY cannabis plant- can reproduce itself, if need be. A male plant can produce female flowers and a female plant can produce male flowers. Correct?
A plant that pollinates itself via the production of both male and female flowers is called a hermaphrodite. Correct?
In addition to producing seeds that will have the predisposition for growing into hermaphrodite plants, hermaphrodite cannabis plants can also produce seeds that will produce plants of one sex or the other in subsequent generations. Right?
Because, otherwise, cannabis would have evolved into being totally hermaphrodite instead of its natural design -which is to make females or males….right?
And, what about those landrace strains that are in specific, isolated areas? Those plants' seeds are all produced by "brothers and sisters"…aren't they?
Please don't get angry at me. I already know that I don't know. I just meant this thread to start a discussion -not an argument or a flame war. Thanks!
ayr0n
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I read that if you let a female stay alive long enough in flower (ie; don't chop) they can self pollinate...I am not an evil genius or a mad scientist…
But that's what I was thinking, too (I think!!). So…is THIS correct?:
A cannabis plant -ANY cannabis plant- can reproduce itself, if need be. A male plant can produce female flowers and a female plant can produce male flowers. Correct?
A plant that pollinates itself via the production of both male and female flowers is called a hermaphrodite. Correct?
In addition to producing seeds that will have the predisposition for growing into hermaphrodite plants, hermaphrodite cannabis plants can also produce seeds that will produce plants of one sex or the other in subsequent generations. Right?
Because, otherwise, cannabis would have evolved into being totally hermaphrodite instead of its natural design -which is to make females or males….right?
And, what about those landrace strains that are in specific, isolated areas? Those plants' seeds are all produced by "brothers and sisters"…aren't they?
Please don't get angry at me. I already know that I don't know. I just meant this thread to start a discussion -not an argument or a flame war. Thanks!
I think the difference people are trying to point out is this - they aren't 'hermaphrodites' to start. They aren't coming out the seed thinking dicks and gina's - they start off undecided (unless fem), turn into either male or female (like we do), and can later develop reproductive parts of the opposite gender if stressed enough / as a last ditch effort to reproduce. Correct me if I'm wrong - just going off of what I've read / seen. It's my understanding that there isn't so much a problem with 'herm prone' seeds/strains as there is with strains sensitive to stress factors which then leads to the production of the opposing reproductive parts.
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GrowHydro2193
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that seems like a very reasonable assessment ayron
tstick
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Hmmmm. I remember when I had some "Colombian Gold" seeds awhile back…seeds found in a bud that came from a dispensary in town, so I thought they probably came about from a bud that sent out some 'nanners. But, when I grew out those seeds, the pre-flowers started to develop, they showed balls and pistils from the same pre-flower! So, my suspicions were born out -at least on that example -in essence, a suspect-hermie seed did produce a hermaphrodite plant. It was not caused by environmental-stress (that I know of)…nor, did it happen in extreme-late flowering stage….so it must have been a trait that the seed had.
TheHermit
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There is a lot of wild hemp growing in my area, and from what I have observed, there is no true males or females among them. They all seem to be intersex. I have heard the same is true of thai landraces. I have never been to Thailand to verify this though. I have grown out some Mexican brick seeds and observed the same thing. It seems to be a trait of wild sativas. Breeders have tried to remove it by selection and cross breeding to indicas, but it is still going to pop up from time to time. The best thing you can do is pull those plants and hope for better luck next time. Not every seed is going to be a winner. I have also noticed that some plants will throw nanners on the initial seed run, but the clones cut from those plants will be fine. I am not sure why this is, it is just something I have noticed from my own trial and error attempts at growing.
Cobnobuler
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....From someone who has grown a very nice female with no hermie trait showing from a seed of a hermied plant, all the words mean nothing when compared to seeing is believing.
I would not have known the true answer myself....until I did it. Now it doesnt matter what anybody says about it.
I would not have known the true answer myself....until I did it. Now it doesnt matter what anybody says about it.
Hydrotech364
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ganjaman87
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My Chemdog hermied so I took pollen and spread it on my Moby Dick feminized female which made several seeds. I have 7 of the offspring growing right now, and all 7 are female
redsolocup
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He's really monotonous, but great info.
green217
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Ok, so far so good on my hermie pollinated ladies all five I germinated are heathy females. They still have a ways to go but the fem trait is there for sure. I think being I took the seeds from the healthy non hermie plant that I am going end up with some stable plants, but there is quite a bit of time left. I know everyone advises against playing with hermie genetics especially when it was probably from a genetic hermie but I'm hard headed and have to see for my self.
Dr. Who
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Now HERE is the point I wish more people around here would set into memory!!!!
2Hearts
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Cannabis is meant to be a tetraploid or higher, whereas we have two sex genes like XX or XY cannabis has more and the amount is unknown so far but would look more like XXXY or even XXXYY. Cannabis seems naturally hemaphroditic just a question of wether the gene is dominant or recessive.
Marijuana genetics are yet not fully understood by scientists and one of the only plants that has male and female plants as all others have male and female on the same plant. This again points to tetraploidy and higher.
Just rambling, sorry...
Marijuana genetics are yet not fully understood by scientists and one of the only plants that has male and female plants as all others have male and female on the same plant. This again points to tetraploidy and higher.
Just rambling, sorry...
green217
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I,agree. People always compare human genetics to plant genes. (XX YY,etc)
2Hearts
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Guilty to, the theory goes that tetraploid and higher can control ratios of male to females in landrace populations. In periods of drought it can be more advantagous to have greater amount of males to females to ensure pollination and visa versa in wetter years. That and being able to self pollinate and self yourself is very advantagous in the wild when a bird randomly eats a seed and poops it out no where near any other plants.
Just hearsay though, i can only quote on this subject.
2Hearts
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Being a stoner means peace love harmony but also i will get a little arsey when debating sometimes. My response is often proportional to the amount of CBD and THC in my blood stream at point of typing.
I too struggled to find clear precise information on tinternet and the main field of study comes from hemp farmers. Yes i studied genetics as i did other subjects but until someone clearly points out that maryjane is tetraploid and higher its kind of baffeling.
I think some brassicas are tetraploid also but its not that common.
Anyway one or two sites have this down, ask the question and everyone gives you the same answer. Theres also a sticky which bassically takes you through weed genetics and the hermie traits in all possible crosses.
So my vote is a sticky on basic genetics which starts with the fact mj is thought to be tetraploid or higher and gets people away from standard XY XX genetics and starts you looking at what results you get by crossing XXXYY with XXXXY.
The answer to op`s question would be in the mendel tables written as XXXXX (for example).
A clear concise sticky gets my vote, any futher debates could be redirected to this thread and the knowledge shared instead it hiding amongst all the other stuff.
Knowledge is power, share the wealth....
I too struggled to find clear precise information on tinternet and the main field of study comes from hemp farmers. Yes i studied genetics as i did other subjects but until someone clearly points out that maryjane is tetraploid and higher its kind of baffeling.
I think some brassicas are tetraploid also but its not that common.
Anyway one or two sites have this down, ask the question and everyone gives you the same answer. Theres also a sticky which bassically takes you through weed genetics and the hermie traits in all possible crosses.
So my vote is a sticky on basic genetics which starts with the fact mj is thought to be tetraploid or higher and gets people away from standard XY XX genetics and starts you looking at what results you get by crossing XXXYY with XXXXY.
The answer to op`s question would be in the mendel tables written as XXXXX (for example).
A clear concise sticky gets my vote, any futher debates could be redirected to this thread and the knowledge shared instead it hiding amongst all the other stuff.
Knowledge is power, share the wealth....