hyroot
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Hahahahahaha. love the facetism and sarcasm
is led worth it?
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Yomandude!!!
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People keep complaining on how much more LEDs cost, but if someone would take a minute to calculate the cost over the life of the light they would quickly realize that LED is actually alot cheapper than HIDs.
Lets say you paid 400$ for a decent LED light to replace your HPS light.
The HID system costs about 150$ for balast and bulb + another 100$ for a cooltube.
So without any ventilation, AC or electricity costs your already only 150$ down on the led light.
and you can easily spend 350$ per year in electricity costs running a 400W HPS. Plus the replacement of bulbs almost every year.
So IMO the upfront costs of LED is worth it compared to the upkeep costs of HID
Also, I think LED targets more a specific customer that cannot use HID systems rather than tryin to just replace it.
Lets say you paid 400$ for a decent LED light to replace your HPS light.
The HID system costs about 150$ for balast and bulb + another 100$ for a cooltube.
So without any ventilation, AC or electricity costs your already only 150$ down on the led light.
and you can easily spend 350$ per year in electricity costs running a 400W HPS. Plus the replacement of bulbs almost every year.
So IMO the upfront costs of LED is worth it compared to the upkeep costs of HID
Also, I think LED targets more a specific customer that cannot use HID systems rather than tryin to just replace it.
Yomandude!!!
Active Member
HID people should not hate on LEDs they should embrace it and use it WITH their HID systems. I'm pretty sure a 250W HPS plus another 150 watts of LEDs can be a very good setup for someone who lives where electricity prices or temperatures are higher. I would like to see this kind of setup VS a 400W or 600W HID only system, not only for the bud size/quality but for the maintenance costs and everything.
Man... if I had the money I would spend sooo much on experiments!
Man... if I had the money I would spend sooo much on experiments!
cannabuilding
Active Member
LEDs are worth it, Lumigrow, fero, apollo's, blackstar, if you read other grow journals, do your research, experiment and most important expect to fail with LEDS then you will end up with some QUALITY fine bud in the end, Growing with LED is a learning curve if one does not follow successful LED grow journals, I've lost countless hours scouring this forum and many others reading over grow journals, but they all had one thing in common? LEDS, but when you get the rythm right, you'd be harvesting some dank buds. Best thing is to read through a couple of finished LED grow journals and follow some, and at the same time, save all your money and invest in a good panel, something that someone on here has grown decent bud with.
Pics are of a Bag seed that i've been growing out for about 2 years now, its a skunk/kush/purple smelly plant, very potent smoke, still has about 10 - 14 days to go, bleaching is from having the apollo6 to close which has alot of white LEDS, 100ml floralicious bottle to compare, buds are all the way down to the bottom.
Stay safe, happy growing, and peace.
Pics are of a Bag seed that i've been growing out for about 2 years now, its a skunk/kush/purple smelly plant, very potent smoke, still has about 10 - 14 days to go, bleaching is from having the apollo6 to close which has alot of white LEDS, 100ml floralicious bottle to compare, buds are all the way down to the bottom.
Stay safe, happy growing, and peace.
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cannabuilding
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And what a lovely grow journal you have brother TD, lovely plants, I agree, research is the key, if your a HPS/CFL/MH expert, Im sure the current techniques your implementing now will not work with the LEDS, hence why so many Negative reports about LEDS.Many Lovely grow journals on here with some fine dank buds which are on par and even better than HID grown buds, but it takes time and patients, and you have to know how to read your plants.
There is a grower on ICmag named Verdangreen, averaging something like 1.5grams per watt with good quality LEDS. Dont expect good results from chinese EBAY 90watt ufo's.
Peaace, stay safe.
ledguy1
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leds are very much so "worth it" even at current prices on some quility models it will be more cost effective to go led just in the simple fact you dont need all the equipment that you do with hps, plain and simple , i mean shit hoods, bulbs(need replacement) , fans, ballasts and the dreaded A/C unit $$$$ i run two very small fans in my tent (5x5) one of which runs through my carbon filter .... besides that i got nothing else and my room stays in the low 80's and its summer time 
Senseimilla
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LEDs work. If you don't think LEDs can grow nice big buds, you are stupid -- period. Just because *YOU* can't grow, doesn't mean LEDs don't work 
how wide is the closet? i'd recommend going with 1 240w blackstar. reasonable price, one will cover your whole closet if it's not a walk in. You can grow as many plants as you have space for.
F all of you LED haters. F u up your LED hating bungholes
how wide is the closet? i'd recommend going with 1 240w blackstar. reasonable price, one will cover your whole closet if it's not a walk in. You can grow as many plants as you have space for.
F all of you LED haters. F u up your LED hating bungholes
Red1966
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If one already has the ballasts, hoods, and cooling system in place, these cost nothing to maintain. The only ongoing expense is bulbs and electric. The savings in power and bulbs isn't enough to justify the high initial costs of LEDs. LEDs may be attractive to someone just starting out, but not so much for those already growing under HIDs.leds are very much so "worth it" even at current prices on some quility models it will be more cost effective to go led just in the simple fact you dont need all the equipment that you do with hps, plain and simple , i mean shit hoods, bulbs(need replacement) , fans, ballasts and the dreaded A/C unit $$$$ i run two very small fans in my tent (5x5) one of which runs through my carbon filter .... besides that i got nothing else and my room stays in the low 80's and its summer time
Red1966
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If you have a 1000w HID on them, the LED isn't needed. You may not realize it, but you're making an argument AGAINST LEDs, not for them
Yomandude!!!
Active Member
How much electricity and bulbs will it cost you to run this in the next 5-10 years? I`m pretty sur a LED panel will cost less than that...
But I agree with you, if I already had my HID installation, it would take a pretty awesome led panel to convince me to make the switch, considering 75% of the lights out there are rubbish...
Senseimilla
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Agree if you've already got 600w+ that is well ventilated and not killing your electric.. no reason to switch... well if you're not afraid of infrared
but if you are < 600w or don't have good ventilation and don't wanna fuck with it and want a lower electric bill it's definitely something to consider. No reason to switch if you're dialed in led's aren't going to grow bud magically better than HIDI'm not trying to convince anyone to switch to led from hid, just the led haters that leds aren't shit. And I don't think 75% is accurate on bad lights... 75% way overpriced maybe... and only one major maker i know i'd call rubbish... some people just do one led grow, didn't have great results and blame the led and that is not always the case. Some people can't grow for shit
I think the risk of getting a shit light was a lot higher a couple years back than today as well.
I have really tried to stay out of this conversation about L.E.D.S. I personally grow right now in a 4x8x7 tent and use 2 L.E.D.S. that I had made for me.I grow and flower 8 plants per run and have gotten no less that 550 grams per plant. Now mind you I top and super crop my plants like crazy and stake them out wide, but even my bottom bud is still nice and dense, not popcorn. I run 2 L.E.D.S. in the tent and they are duel spectrum each. They are equal to 1400 watts and put out 210k lumen. The penetrating power is awesome compared to H.I.D'S. I had them made and cost me $349 each. I didn't have to buy ducting and don't have to worry about heat issues. I don't have to have an a/c, inline fans or anything else that has to do with H.I.D. Not to mention that my electric bill only goes up $28 for the month. Not going to lie, that is the best part. You don't have to buy expensive L.E.D.S. systems. Just find someone that knows their stuff and see if they can make you one. I am getting rid of my tent at the end of the month and running a 13x13x8 room full of the L.E.D.S. when he has them finished. Right now it is in the 80's-95's here in Portland and my garage is nice and cool (its concrete). But I have seen all my friends that grow go out and but a/c units and sometimes 2 just to keep their temps down. I suppose in the winter it is going to be good because the heat will warn the room, but I'll pass for that.
Eraserhead
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Wait a minute... Something smells funny.
You got 550 grams each from 8 plants, totaling 4400 grams (550x8=4400), with 2 ufo looking lights that cost $350 each?
You grew almost 10 pounds with 2 UFOs?
Am I missing something?
You got 550 grams each from 8 plants, totaling 4400 grams (550x8=4400), with 2 ufo looking lights that cost $350 each?
You grew almost 10 pounds with 2 UFOs?
Am I missing something?
Yes, you are. Each panel is 1400 Watts, so combined I am getting roughly 2800 Watts total.
Puff here are some different pics. These things are huge panels just round.
He hand makes every one. 
Eraserhead
Well-Known Member
120x2.5w equals 300w. So you got 4400 grams with 600w, with a UFO pcb and a Honeywell fan case?
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