Is my lady root bound?

KaleoXxX said:

well some of your plants may (i should say will) turn out to be males, so that being the case if you only have 3 or 4 female plants under that light it might be ok. actually those could end up being beast of plants, by the time there blooming and you may need more lighting, but thats down the road a bit

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RichiRich said:

I'm pretty sure they're not males. They're female clones, I bought them in a grow shop, so no worries about boys in my garden.

I'm going to put in a few ordinary lamps in the grow room to help out the lower leaves and buds. I know they're not HPS lamps, or even fluorescents, but it's still light

So anyone think 3,3 gallon pots will be ok for them?

-Rich

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KaleoXxX said:

oh i forgot that part, sory im all over the place

so ya, more light the better

3 gal pots would be good, but didnt you have 6 plants? you probably want 6 3gal pots. or are some of your plants happy in the smaller pots? (little confused...)

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fdd2blk said:

a plant will not grow itself to death. the thought is just silly.

if it gets "too big for it's pot" that SIMPLY means you will have to water more often. oh, and it will tip over from it's own weight.


the plant in the picture looks over watered. the leaves look "heavy" and are curled under. the lower leaves are starting to yellow and die. it needs to dry out more between waterings and it needs more nitrogen.

lol

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Drr said:

Agreed... I posted about this in another thread..

The plant won't tie itself up unless its lacking nutes or water.. If it doesn't have to search the pot over and over and over for food and water then there's no reason for it to tangle it's roots up around itself..

I believe I remember FDD waters his outdoor and then floods at the end of the day.. then waters next day again(or every other day).. not sure of the specifics.. my memory is off a bit..

I was getting some salt build up so I flushed mine pretty good and then reapplied ferts to get them back up to par.. and they had everything they needed again..

Overtime if you don't flush and re fert.. most just add more nutes, but eventually the plant will take up more of one element as oppose to another.. which will end up in a deficiency in one and overfeeding of the other... Feel me?

So if the plant used up 50% of the N and only 25% of the P-K

then that leaves 50-75-75.. if you dose again (lets say 100%) then we have 150-175-175
now if they used 75%-50%-50%... we are left with 75%-125%-125%....

see how easily it can get out of wack?????
By flushing all the old salts out and re ferting with fresh nutes you ensure they plant has everything it needs where it needs it.. Yeah it's a bit more waste... but worth it..

afte I flushed the salt build up and re ferted my ladies took off and filled in nicely.. I think the overdose was slowing them down but whatever.. I understand soil alot more now..

I have 1.5 Liter pots.. YES liter....

The down side to small pots are the watering times.. A bigger pot can go 3-4 days without watering..
I HAVE to water every other day so you should be ok to go to the third day with those pots.. make sure the top layer of soil is dry and you can break it up before you water(helps catch the water as oppose to it running down the side of the pot).. BUT before you see the lower half of the plant droop...

Pot size helps control plant size and stature.. Also they will fall over if they don;t have a good enough base.. I'm running into that with my biggest bitch now.. when the pot is dry it only takes a slight momentum change and she dives for the floor.. I'm glad she's almost done....

I agree about the nitro.. Although I think It might be too much.. those lower leaves look like they are starting to take from them but also it looks like the edges are burnt and the top looks darker.. but the lighting is a bit hard to tell... The claw from my experience is the beginning of nute burn.. That or low PH.

That big fan infront with the most yellow around hte edges.. is it dark brown around the edges and tips???? or just starting to yellow??

I'd say give her water the next 2 waterings and observe.. if she continues to yellow on that leaf.. give her some nutes and you know it was too low..

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Drr said:

I wouldn't say 14 liters but give it a good amount.. and make sure the run off is yellowy or dark..

What did the plant do after you gave it the nutes?? how did it respond.. it will respond within a couple days..

more yellow?? or did the tops get greener??

I think you might have a salt build up.. coupled with over watering..

Like that FDD said at first it looks like an N def.. classic lower big fan leaves turning yellow..

But if it hasn't stopped with the feeding.. then you might have locked them out.. If the yellowing stopped and the tops are green and continue to grow then it was probly an N def...


wait till the top 1/2" - 1" of the soil is dry to water.. depending on how deep your pots are..

What nutes did you give them?? Brand?? type, numbers?? and how much?? Do you PH your water???? runoff also???
how many times have you feed? and how much each time??
how was your watering schedule?? water, feed, water, feed???

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Drr said:

RichiRich;3779074]Holy shit.. Won't that still overwater the plant?

Not if you have good drainage and airation in the medium...

I know I shoud have done this from the beginning but.. I never check the pH of the water, or the soil. Mainly because I've got no money for a pH measurer or any of those solutions to raise and lower it.

Did you add any lime to your soil??? what kind of soil is ?

Before watering, I let the water sit out for 24-48 hours for the chlorine to evaporate though...

this is a practice done by alot.. I don't but my city water is very good...

All my plants have a few odd leaves... almost always at the bottom of the plant.

by odd do you mean yellow? That might mean under feeding and that might be the issue here..

They all continue to grow green at the top. The AK47 however has some brown spots on some top leaves.. strange.

Not sure about that.. if the tips are going brown and the tips around the edges of the fan leaf then your giving them nute burn. That actually might be a micro nutrient missing or not enough of.. Especially if you used the shitty nutes at first..


Well my plants don't look bad after feeding them, so they respond pretty well I guess.

I used to give my girls some shitty fertilizer, full of chemicals but I changed cus it only had N, P, K and I figured the plants had a Mg deficiency so I bought Hesi TNT Complex, fully organic with Magnesium, Zinc, Calcium and more stuff.

This is good, a more ballanced formula will be best.. But since you just started with the shitty stuff you might be lacking some micro's which will be taken care of with the new stuff..

I think until now, I've fed my girls maybe 10 times each, since December 20ish. It's only recently that I stepped up the amount of feeding (2 weeks ago).

I usually give them water every 2 days. Why? Because the soil gets dry at the top pretty fast and they start to kinda droop so I guess they need water.

As for feeding, the schedule is like this.

Monday : Nutes
Tuesday :
Wednesday : Water
Thursday :
Friday : Water
Saturday :
Sunday :
Monday : Nutes

Not bad at all.. gives you the weekend off and they can dry out a bit more over those days..
And looking at that again.. I don't think it's an overdose(unless you feed full strength or more) but it might be a salt build up and the ratio is off.. especailly if you don't allow for runooff when watering.. and you were using the shitty nutes in the begginning..


I give em about a quarter litre of water every time.

So am I doing anything really wrong?

Do you let the water run off?? or does it even come out the bottom at all??? 1.5 gallons of soil should take more then 1/4 liter I think.. But does it give you runoff??


Thanks again for the help, gonna check out that thread and your journal now.

-Rich

Edit: Just flushed all of my girls. Gave them about 2 litres of water each (normally I give em only 250-350 ml per watering). I hope they'll be ok.

this is a good start.. since this gives you a fresher slate to work with and will tell you if its over feeding.. observe them and report what happens over the next 2 days..

If they yellow more then give them a dose of those new nutrients...

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