I'm not "confusing" anything, and with due respect, it seems plain that either you haven't read what I've written, or you don't understand it. Please stop misquoting me.Jorgo, to sit here and say that the real "Sour Diesel" is being imported from CA, CO to NY, is bs to the max. i suggest you look around on these boards, and when you do, you'll see a lot of cali and colo cats state that sour isn't even widely available in that state, let alone if it actually is. i think you're confusing original diesel with sour diesel (which has been stated by many people to be pretty rare)
I can tell you for sure that there is stuff on dispensary shelves in CO and MI CALLED "sour diesel". Obviously I can't tell you the genetic origins of those buds, nor whether or not any of them make it to NYC for commercial sale.there very well may be bud for sale on the streets of NYC from CO or MI, I just can't speak to that.
Sour D not widely available in Cali? Tell that to WeedMaps, who tracks most of the dispensaries in Cali for their "Top 25 Strains Sold" listings. Most of the numbers for these come out of Cali, and hey look -- Sour D is #2:Jorgo, to sit here and say that the real "Sour Diesel" is being imported from CA, CO to NY, is bs to the max. i suggest you look around on these boards, and when you do, you'll see a lot of cali and colo cats state that sour isn't even widely available in that state, let alone if it actually is. i think you're confusing original diesel with sour diesel (which has been stated by many people to be pretty rare)
Yeah, but its not "the real" sour diesel (whatever the hell that is).Sour D not widely available in Cali? Tell that to WeedMaps, who tracks most of the dispensaries in Cali for their "Top 25 Strains Sold" listings. Most of the numbers for these come out of Cali, and hey look -- Sour D is #2:
I always thought that original diesel was the daywrecker,and that the ecsd and aj cut were both the same cut of the sour diesel,I know I've read that on these boards somewhere,so I don't know when the story changed,I also agree with WBW with him saying that the sour is everywhere in NYC, wheter or not they are pure sd or not, all of the dealers just call it sour or loud either way, I'm in NYC as well so I hear it everyday
Damn that bio d sounds so good, great genetics!There is bio diesel from 303 seeds wich is a cross of bio diesel (sensi star x sour diesel) x high country diesel( original diesel x east coast sour diesel=escd) and diesel fire from cannaventure wich is a fire og bx x east coast sour diesel and then gage green have a version with anastesia(or how you spell it) x east coast sour diesel, the real sour diesel is a clone only and hermie prone so seeds are difficult, connesseur genetics are releasing a ESCD s1 soon!
no it's not widely grown in Cali, i think you better go check the threads at the farm and icmag to confirm what i posted. a lot of diesel that's widely available, there, have been knock offs or original D passed off as Sour D (once again, check the real Sour D threads on icmag and thcfarmer).Sour D not widely available in Cali? Tell that to WeedMaps, who tracks most of the dispensaries in Cali for their "Top 25 Strains Sold" listings. Most of the numbers for these come out of Cali, and hey look -- Sour D is #2:
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How could anyone possibly know how many sour diesel moms there are in NY? This "crew" has spies in every grow room and field in the State of NY, AND they post about this on "the farm"?also, there are 3 moms in NY (once again, check the farm for confirmation) of the original crew that started the sour D
I never actually said that, but I see what's going on here.so why would there be a major import of "sour d" from Cali or Colo? doesn't make sense to a native NYer, especially to the ones that are very fond of real sour d.
Sorry, what exactly is this "thesis" that I "think" I know that I don't?also, Cali Sour is not the Sour D. maybe do some research instead of putting up a thesis about what you think you know as oppose to what you actually know (Jorgo).
The imaginary dealer that I hallucinated told me (in a dream) that he gets his supply from CA because its an old connection and its reliable. He buys in bulk, the price is good, they have regular product, and when he needs it they deliver. He could source it elsewhere, but its a working business relationship. But feel free to disregard this thesis, because obviously there is ZERO bud being shipped into NYC from the West Coast, and I don't know what I'm talking about.one thing that i do know, is that some people do get their buds shipped from the two states mentioned, and only reason for doing so, is for the price.
The bottom one resembles the sour d i've always seen out here in the west coast.OK all I can say about what I know to be the "real sour diesel" is this: Jogro knows what hes talking about.
Without getting into too many details, I had a friend of a friend approach me to buy 24 clones of sour D. I told him I was flattered but I dont have it like that. For him to ask me about it shows its held pretty widely. Regular smoker friends bring what they think is Sour Diesel to my place all the time. I tell them it smells nice and has a good punch but its not the Real Sour. Its usually darker and has a more indica stone. It smells close but it looks way different.
This is what Im seeing passed as sour d more and more around here:
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This is what I remember my friend selling for years before something happened to his connect's connect.
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The lighter colored Sour D is still around from delivery and other sources but Im having trouble consistently sourcing it. I think this is the clone only and I think a couple of peoples mothers have passed closing some outlets. This bud is pretty consistent in smell, effect, and appearance. This is usually more expensive than the darker bud in the first pic.
The darker bud above I think is grown from seed and constantly changes quality and appearance.
Just my experience.
Oh, sorry I guess I was confused. You're right. There's no possible way the clone of real sour diesel could have possibly made it all the way out here to Cali. It's so very very far away.no it's not widely grown in Cali, i think you better go check the threads at the farm and icmag to confirm what i posted. a lot of diesel that's widely available, there, have been knock offs or original D passed off as Sour D (once again, check the real Sour D threads on icmag and thcfarmer).
also, there are 3 moms in NY (once again, check the farm for confirmation) of the original crew that started the sour D, so why would there be a major import of "sour d" from Cali or Colo? doesn't make sense to a native NYer, especially to the ones that are very fond of real sour d.
also, Cali Sour is not the Sour D. maybe do some research instead of putting up a thesis about what you think you know as oppose to what you actually know (Jorgo).
one thing that i do know, is that some people do get their buds shipped from the two states mentioned, and only reason for doing so, is for the price.
its nothing about whose stupid or whatever. Truth is real sour diesel is out here and no its not here by being imported its here because growers have these elite clones on lock.Oh, sorry I guess I was confused. You're right. There's no possible way the clone of real sour diesel could have possibly made it all the way out here to Cali. It's so very very far away.
Just think if it had though.. Many dispensaries (that's a place you can legally walk into and buy weed at here on the west coast) would stand to make a fortune selling an elite clone like SD. In fact there's one just a few miles away that does just that sort of thing. They sell elite clones like Blue Dream, Chem 91, Girl Scout Cookies, and (gasp..) sour diesel. It must be fake! I can't believe they stay in business selling fake shit like that. I'm pissed! That's so unfair! I guess they must just be tricking all the stupid cali growers who don't know shit because they have never made it to that far far away place called New York to try the REAL sour diesel (you know they only have the real one in NY, right?).
The part I am so confused about though is how all these stupid cali growers are getting the wool pulled over their head and get tricked into growing FAKE sour diesel, when Cali is supposed to be some weed mecca. It's all so confusing, but I guess it's really simple. Cali growers are stupid and NY growers are smart. Glad I figured it all out now. Thanks!
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I don't think anything I said contradicts what you said either, except that surely at least some legit SD prolly flows to both coasts from both directions. To say anything less is just silly.its nothing about whose stupid or whatever. Truth is real sour diesel is out here and no its not here by being imported its here because growers have these elite clones on lock.
What's out on the west is sour but could be something totally different. I know swerve was one of the guys on the west that has the aj cut so the real sour could be out in cali but to say that n.y. sour is imported from cali is a flat out lie when I know for a fact people out here have moms of the real diesel.
How could anyone possibly know how many sour diesel moms there are in NY? This "crew" has spies in every grow room and field in the State of NY, AND they post about this on "the farm"?
NYC is the biggest city in the USA with a population close to 8 million, and you can more than double that for the NY metro area. That makes the NYC area bigger in population than the entire countries of Greece, Holland, or Belgium.
NYC is also by FAR the biggest cannabis market on the East Coast and if not the absolute biggest market in the country, one of them. There are literally thousands of dealers selling pounds of the stuff sourced from inside the city, upstate NY, up and down the East Coast, Mexico, and even Canada.
So forgive me, but there is no way that just "three moms" are supplying all the so called "sour" in NYC. It ain't happening. There is also no possible way for myself, yourself, anyone on "the farm" "international cannagraphic", rollitup.com, the NYPD, or anyone else to know exactly where all the weed sold in NYC is coming from, let alone its genetic origins.
I'll also submit to you that if only some fraction of the weed sold in NYC is "the real sour diesel", then almost by definition, many if not most NYC smokers know something ELSE as SD, and therefore to at least a plurality of NYC smokers, the "real" SD isn't the clone only line! (Don't flame. . .just think about this for a minute).
I never actually said that, but I see what's going on here.
I insulted your regional pride by suggesting that some fraction of the weed sold as the famous NY/East Coast "sour" actually comes from rival West Coast CA.
OK, forget it. You're right. I *don't* know what I'm talking about.
I'm totally clueless. I *didn't* see a dealer open up a gigantic vacuum packed bundle he called "sour" postmarked from CA right in front of my eyes, and he DIDN'T tell me he gets his regular supply from CA. He was lying and I was hallucinating. Or I was lying, and he was hallucinating. The whole thing was an elaborate ruse, staged purely for my benefit. Actually, I just made this up to tweak you.
This guy (who makes his living hustling) also posts regularly about where he gets his supply on "IC mag". He loves to talk about his connections, particularly with strangers on the internet. He DOESN'T call his s@%t "sour". Etc.
Sorry, what exactly is this "thesis" that I "think" I know that I don't?
That some or most of the so-called SD sold in NYC, CA, and other places isn't from the clone only line? Because I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what I've been saying again and again in the last three posts. . .
The imaginary dealer that I hallucinated told me (in a dream) that he gets his supply from CA because its an old connection and its reliable. He buys in bulk, the price is good, they have regular product, and when he needs it they deliver. He could source it elsewhere, but its a working business relationship. But feel free to disregard this thesis, because obviously there is ZERO bud being shipped into NYC from the West Coast, and I don't know what I'm talking about.
haha, you 2 are too funny and also think that because you put lengthy sentences and paragraphs together that you'll are right.Oh, sorry I guess I was confused. You're right. There's no possible way the clone of real sour diesel could have possibly made it all the way out here to Cali. It's so very very far away.
Just think if it had though.. Many dispensaries (that's a place you can legally walk into and buy weed at here on the west coast) would stand to make a fortune selling an elite clone like SD. In fact there's one just a few miles away that does just that sort of thing. They sell elite clones like Blue Dream, Chem 91, Girl Scout Cookies, and (gasp..) sour diesel. It must be fake! I can't believe they stay in business selling fake shit like that. I'm pissed! That's so unfair! I guess they must just be tricking all the stupid cali growers who don't know shit because they have never made it to that far far away place called New York to try the REAL sour diesel (you know they only have the real one in NY, right?).
The part I am so confused about though is how all these stupid cali growers are getting the wool pulled over their head and get tricked into growing FAKE sour diesel, when Cali is supposed to be some weed mecca. It's all so confusing, but I guess it's really simple. Cali growers are stupid and NY growers are smart. Glad I figured it all out now. Thanks!
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I respectfully disagree. Doc's East Coast Sour Diesel is worth every penny. It's pretty much exactly like the clone but unless you're really lucky you can't even get the clone and 9 times out of 10 if someone claims to have the clone isn't the real deal anway, just close. Even most of the dispensaries I've been to that sell the ECSD don't have the genuine article, again, just something close to the real deal