Is the Keystone cancelation a good thing?

doublejj

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rkymtnman

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Tesla Model S upgrade comes with super fast Plaid Mode and 520 miles of range
like in SpaceBalls where they crank it up to Ludicrous speed?? doesn't the screen show plaid mode?
 

hanimmal

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TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — An oil spill in a creek in northeastern Kansas shut down a major pipeline that carries oil from Canada to the Texas Gulf Coast, briefly causing oil prices to rise Thursday.

Canada-based TC Energy said it shut down its Keystone system Wednesday night following a drop in pipeline pressure. It said oil spilled into a creek in Washington County, Kansas, about 150 miles (240 kilometers) northwest of Kansas City.

The company on Thursday estimated the spill’s size at about 14,000 barrels and said the affected pipeline segment had been “isolated” and the oil contained at the site with booms, or barriers. It did not say how the spill occurred.

“People are sometimes not aware of of the havoc that these things can wreak until the disaster happens,” said Zack Pistora, who lobbies the Kansas Legislature for the Sierra Club’s state chapter.

Concerns that spills could pollute waterways spurred opposition to plans by TC Energy to build another crude oil pipeline in the Keystone system, the 1,200-mile (1,900-kilometer) Keystone XL, which would have cut across Montana, South Dakota and Nebraska. Critics also argued that using crude from western Canada’s oil sands would worsen climate change, and President Joe Biden’s cancelation of a U.S. permit for the project led the company to pull the plug last year.

In 2019, the Keystone pipeline leaked an estimated 383,000 gallons (1.4 million liters) of oil in eastern North Dakota.

Janet Kleeb, who founded the Bold Nebraska environmental and landowner rights group that campaigned against the Keystone XL, said there have been at least 22 spills along the original Keystone pipeline since it began service in 2010. She said federal studies have shown the type of heavy tar sands oil the pipeline carries can be especially difficult to clean up in water because it tends to sink.

“All oil spills are difficult, but tar sands in particular are very toxic and very difficult, so I’m awfully concerned,” said Kleeb, who is also the Nebraska Democratic Party’s chair.

But the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said there were no known effects yet on drinking water wells or the public, and the oil didn’t move from the creek to larger waterways. Randy Hubbard, the Washington County Emergency Management coordinator, said there were no evacuations ordered because the break occurred in rural pastureland.

TC Energy said it had set up environmental monitoring at the site, including around-the-clock air quality monitoring.

“Our primary focus right now is the health and safety of onsite staff and personnel, the surrounding community, and mitigating risk to the environment,” a company statement said.

Oil prices briefly surged at midday Thursday amid news of the spill, with the cost of a barrel of oil for near-term contracts rising by nearly 5%, and above the cost of oil contracts further into the future. That typically suggests anxiety in the market over immediate supply.

A U.S. Energy Information Administration spokesperson said the Keystone pipeline moves about 600,000 barrels of oil per day from Canada to Cushing, Oklahoma, where it can connect to another pipeline to the Gulf Coast. That’s compared to the total of 3.5 million to 4 million barrels of Canadian oil imported into the U.S. every day.

Past Keystone spills have led to outages that lasted about two weeks, but this outage could possibly be longer because it involves a body of water, said analysts at RBC Capital Markets in a note to investors. Depending on the spill’s location, it’s possible that a portion of the pipeline could restart sooner, they said.

“It’s something to keep an eye on,” said Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy, which tracks gasoline prices. “It could eventually impact oil supplies to refiners, which could be severe if it lasts more than a few days.”

The spill was 5 miles (8 kilometers) northeast of Washington, the county seat of about 1,100 residents. Paul Stewart, an area farmer, said part of it was contained on his land using yellow booms and a dam of dirt. The spill occurred in Mill Creek, which flows into the Little Blue River.

The Little Blue feeds the Big Blue River, which flows into Tuttle Creek Lake, north of Manhattan, home of Kansas State University. The EPA said the oil did not affect the Little Blue.

Dan Thalmann, publisher and editor of The Washington County News, a weekly publication, said crews were creating a rock path to the creek because recent rains made fields too soft to move in heavy machinery.

“Gosh, the traffic past my house is unbelievable — trucks after trucks after trucks,” said Stewart, who took down an electric fence he’d finished putting up Wednesday, fearing it might be knocked down and dragged into a field.

Chris Pannbacker said the pipeline runs through her family’s farm. She and her husband drove north of their farmhouse and across a bridge over Mill Creek.

“We looked at it from both sides, and it was black on both sides,” said Pannbacker, a reporter for the Marysville Advocate newspaper.

Junior Roop, the sexton of a cemetery near the spill site, said people could smell the oil in town.

“It was about like driving by a refinery,” he said.
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Budley Doright

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I watched a tank train heading west the other day so assuming it was empty and heading back for refill. It was probably a mile long :(. It’s time we all voted to end all fossil fuel subsidies and let the market play out. IMO that would certainly promote alternative solutions and fast track the infrastructure required. The amount of abandoned wells and the failure of reclamation is staggering alone. What the tar sands have done to the environment should be a crime against humanity IMO.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What the tar sands have done to the environment should be a crime against humanity IMO
It will be left in the ground like coal, and we have enough of that to power the planet for a century. Corporate shells go bankrupt, and the taxpayers are left holding the bag, while they are left holding the cash on the way to the bank. The DoFos of the world give ya more of it, but folks keep leaning on the red-hot stove anyway. Cut healthcare, services and education to create a surplus that can be paid out like dividends in the form of tax cuts and loopholes for the rich. Not cleaning up their mess is part of the deal too and they pay for it, but not much compared to what it would cost to restore things. Look at the wingnuts running Alberta, they would sell the place for a buck and would opt out of the country and constitution to do it.
 

printer

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If they can’t dip the crick to make it tick, they run on something other than oil.

After all, if a tree falls to block a road, you don’t call the obstacle newsprint.
I take the first post as a negative of the existing pipeline. Maybe I am reading too much into it, as in we do not need oil to convert into all the products we need, that we should get rid of the pipelines. Again, could be reading too much into it.
 

cannabineer

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I take the first post as a negative of the existing pipeline. Maybe I am reading too much into it, as in we do not need oil to convert into all the products we need, that we should get rid of the pipelines. Again, could be reading too much into it.
That is a premise against which I’m not arguing.
 

cannabineer

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Alright, then just for general info.
I’m being persnickety about the distinction between crude and anything fuel-grade. Afaik the most omnivorous engines are marine Diesels, and even their fuel (bunker oil) has been distilled off the stuff of roads and roofs.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I take the first post as a negative of the existing pipeline. Maybe I am reading too much into it, as in we do not need oil to convert into all the products we need, that we should get rid of the pipelines. Again, could be reading too much into it.
Regulation and inspection could be improved considerably, we will need oil for petrochemicals, even if we go completely green and jet planes make that unlikely.
 

cannabineer

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Regulation and inspection could be improved considerably, we will need oil for petrochemicals, even if we go completely green and jet planes make that unlikely.
Biofuel from oils would work well in jets. However it conceals a big petroleum subsidy in the energy used to farm and process it.
 

hanimmal

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I take the first post as a negative of the existing pipeline. Maybe I am reading too much into it, as in we do not need oil to convert into all the products we need, that we should get rid of the pipelines. Again, could be reading too much into it.
Yeah me either. There is no way we will stop oil production, nor should we. We do need to do shit a lot cleaner, and worth understanding the very real dangers of these pipelines that should be constantly evaluated and quick to shut down if they are in danger of leaking, so we can stop having these spills.
 
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