Is this enough light?

hopeyougotadutch

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BTW I happen to know Gastanker personally and he does not use UV light as of 2009 when he posted that!! And from trials that I have been through for 10+ years I can honestly say-Fuck Man made UV Light
Well that's great and all that you have friends, and I'm not even saying it's 100% proven idea...just that it will be a neat idea to play with. And apparently he did too.

But I am saying the sun puts out more than UVA.
 

hopeyougotadutch

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Wrong again. I did not say it was strictly man made. We cant make UVA rays only UVB which is what stunts plants. Which is why I said I grow with LED. Stated facts. I also didn't mention UVC. Pointless, because it doesn't matter. Once again you failed. We can't make the same rays as the sun... It's impossible
Ok...well this is just turning into a big pissing contest. But, I would like to know if the sun puts out UVB and we can feel the effects on our skin (i.e. sunburn), that means the plants can feel it's effects as well. You say it stunts growth...explain the 8-14 foot monsters these outdoor growers produce.
 

kpmarine

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There was no "bombs" dropped here. You didn't say anything relevant, sorry to say. That pdf from the CA science fair essentially says "I exposed plants (Which aren't named in what you gave me.) to different amounts of varying UV radiation (Which are not qualified.), and the UVB ones grew less (Which means nothing without a lot more info.)", it also doesn't say how the plants were grown, or anything that really is helpful. The rest of your articles just talk about UV in general; which in no way reinforces your point that UV=bad for plants. Sure overexposure is bad, I've seen what too much can do. However, I have seen enough solid grows that kept right on running without that pesky UVB killing everything or killing their usual yields. Hell, it may have just been wishful thinking, but it even seemed "stickier". Not saying it's conclusive; but it's, at worst, inconclusive.
 

kpmarine

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Wrong again. I did not say it was strictly man made. We cant make UVA rays only UVB which is what stunts plants. Which is why I said I grow with LED. Stated facts. I also didn't mention UVC. Pointless, because it doesn't matter. Once again you failed. We can't make the same rays as the sun... It's impossible
You don't understand that a 420nm wavelength of light from the sun is the EXACT same thing as a 420nm wavelength of light from a bulb, do you? A photon at a certain wavelength, is a photon at a certain wavelength; plain and simple.

Oh, and you did say it was man-made.:
UV-B (Man made light) aka Violet light stunts plant growth
You also said UVB is "Violet" light, which it is not; "Ultraviolet" means "beyond violet". Much like "infrared" means "below red". They are not assigned colors, because they are beyond the visible spectrum. If UVB was "violet" as you say, we would be capable of seeing it.
 

kpmarine

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We cant make UVA rays only UVB which is what stunts plants.
I have to disagree again. "A sunbed (British English), tanning bed (American English) or sun tanning bed is a device that emits ultraviolet radiation (typically 97% UVA and 3% UVB, +/-3%)". Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanning_bed Until recently, UVA was considered "safe"; so it's been a popular choice in tanning beds, as UVB has long been known to cause cancer in humans with extensive exposure.
 

kpmarine

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The source is irrelevant. The way we measure light is a constant, based on the energy of the photons. What you believe about the emitting source does not change the fact that a photon is a photon, regardless of where it comes from. There is no recognized delineation between a photon emitted by the sun, and a photon from your LED. If you can point me to something that conclusively indicates otherwise, I'd be happy to change my tune.
 

hopeyougotadutch

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Isn't that what we're trying to do indoors...replicate the outdoors?

If the UVB from the LED is stunting your growth, then why use it?
 

hopeyougotadutch

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Wouldn't necessarily call it thread jacking just because he isn't conversing. He stated he was going to use a UVB bulb with his CFLs. I gave my opinion which started this conversation. Now as far as CFLs go I would get up to the 40+ watt range, keep the bulbs 3-4 inches from your plant (closer if you can). 100 watts per plant..can't really disagree with that, but you do want them surrounding your plant rather than just from the top.
 

hsfkush

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Thanks um these lights all together besides the reptile light have a 290W equivalent they are just power savers is this enough to grow up to 4 at all? or should i get more or better lights?
I have 5 plants growing, 3 in mid-late flower and 2 seedlings(3 days old). I have around 350 actual watts of light.
 

kpmarine

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No, I want you to back it up with something relevant. I want you to actually prove how there is a difference between a the 420nm radiation emitted by my grow light and the same radiation measured by the sun. If they are so different, why don't we have different PAR readings for indoor and outdoor? If the same photons with the same amount of energy somehow have a different effect between natural and artificial sources, how come there isn't an indoor and outdoor PAR meter? How come they all measure the same thing?

"10 more posts claiming otherwise" would be futile, if you actually could discuss the many issues I have raised. However, I wish to point out that you have yet to quote and specifically discredit my posts. I have been more than happy to contest your points, if you want to actually have a relevant discussion, I encourage you to do so as well.
 

kpmarine

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It's like.. Once I found out you were a dude why would I jack off to your avatar?? I don't use it I switched companies(Blackstar if you ever want LED lights FYI)

and he was. TJ most defiantly. But! And I said this before, either 1 85w cfl or multiple 14-24w whatevers you don't want it so much surrounding it. As a 14w bulb will hold a seedling for a minute. More leaves equals more light. As the plants get bigger you need more light, if you had the 85w bulb and just the one, on a lamp you could move the light and or rotate the plant every so often. I have seen more growth with vertical light. Not so much going down ON the canopy. But to each there own, the plant gets it either way. The dude above has less then 100w on each plant. Now is that killing you? Nope. To each there own.
I seem to recall Hopey saying that wasn't enough light in the very first post made in this thread. Nobody contested the act that the amount of light is too little, you did go on talking about UV though. That's why we are where we are now.
 

kpmarine

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Then why speculate upon it? Like I asked before; what does what I may or may not do with males have to do with our discussion about UV radiation? Since you decided to make that the sole subject matter of one of your few posts directly addressing me. I anxiously await your response.
 

doniboy

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Please ignore the flamers... From this guy's very first post on this thread made it very obvious he was a troll looking to arguing and try to prove to everyone else that he's better and knows more... No since arguing with stupid... IMHO, you should pretend he's not there and, and focus on helping the O.P.
 
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