Is this mix too hot?

IIReignManII · Dec 26, 2018

I've got alfalfa, blood, bone, kelp, greensand, azomite, mykos, and oregonism XL on hand to mix into a base and start cooking. I'm not great at math, so I wanted to settle on definitive ratios before I start mixing. With the way I'm set up to mix this, I really need to build a 7 gallons worth at a time, fill my bag, and mix another batch for the next pot. How would you ration this arsenal of nutes? I need to fill three 7 gallon pots right now. For the sake of simplicity, would a half a cup of each nutrient per 7 gallon bag work for me? I wasnt sure how I should split the blood and alfalfa. My base is a 33/33/33 of coco/compost&castings/perlite...also wasnt 100% on how much oregonism and mykos to use

bearded.beaver · Dec 26, 2018

Go on to the subcool soil thread in organic.
Your best bet is to look in that thread.

IIReignManII · Dec 26, 2018

bearded.beaver said:
Go on to the subcool soil thread in organic.
Your best bet is to look in that thread.

I have...however the nutes I have are different than the recipes on there so I wasnt exactly sure how to adjust them. Most of them measure for kelp, crab and neem but I have a larger and different assortment...however half a cup per cuft seems to be fairly standard?

bearded.beaver · Dec 26, 2018

Try it just let it "cook" or stabilize together for like 6 to 8 weeks. And then when you plant into it tbotton third straight then 50/50 then just your base mix. I've tried planting in straight "supersoil" and burn the shot out of my plants. I also threw some in my veggie garden. Tomatoes grew awesome but stayed green. I had to pick them for them to start to ripen and my squash burn even with a top dress. I made it too hot

IIReignManII · Dec 26, 2018

bearded.beaver said:
Try it just let it "cook" or stabilize together for like 6 to 8 weeks. And then when you plant into it tbotton third straight then 50/50 then just your base mix. I've tried planting in straight "supersoil" and burn the shot out of my plants. I also threw some in my veggie garden. Tomatoes grew awesome but stayed green. I had to pick them for them to start to ripen and my squash burn even with a top dress. I made it too hot

I've got some 3 week plants vegging in 1 gallon pots so I've got time to let it cook before I need to repot to the cooked 7's

ShLUbY · Dec 26, 2018

IIReignManII said:
I've got alfalfa, blood, bone, kelp, greensand, azomite, mykos, and oregonism XL on hand to mix into a base and start cooking. I'm not great at math, so I wanted to settle on definitive ratios before I start mixing. With the way I'm set up to mix this, I really need to build a 7 gallons worth at a time, fill my bag, and mix another batch for the next pot. How would you ration this arsenal of nutes? I need to fill three 7 gallon pots right now. For the sake of simplicity, would a half a cup of each nutrient per 7 gallon bag work for me? I wasnt sure how I should split the blood and alfalfa. My base is a 33/33/33 of coco/compost&castings/perlite...also wasnt 100% on how much oregonism and mykos to use

Per 7.5 gal of base:
1/2 cup: alfalfa, bone, greensand, azomite
3/4 cup: kelp
1/4 cup: bloodmeal

mykos directly to the roots (this is your best fungi product, as it likely only contains R. intraracides, the best one)
oregonism XL, mix a couple tablespoons in each pot of soil.

if i had the things to work with that you do, this is how i would do it. If I had options to go pick up a couple things, I would get crab meal, gypsum, and neem meal... and ditch the blood meal all together.

Good Luck

IIReignManII · Dec 26, 2018

ShLUbY said:
Per 7.5 gal of base:
1/2 cup: alfalfa, bone, greensand, azomite
3/4 cup: kelp
1/4 cup: bloodmeal

mykos directly to the roots (this is your best fungi product, as it likely only contains R. intraracides, the best one)
oregonism XL, mix a couple tablespoons in each pot of soil.

if i had the things to work with that you do, this is how i would do it. If I had options to go pick up a couple things, I would get crab meal, gypsum, and neem meal... and ditch the blood meal all together.

Good Luck

Hell yeah, much appreciated! Yeah I wanted to get crab and neem but couldn't find it at any of my local garden shops so I just wound up going with what I could find locally. They do have gypsum

IIReignManII · Dec 26, 2018

I should not add mykos until I'm actually planting into this soil right? It wont survive the cooking process without roots to attach to?

bearded.beaver · Dec 26, 2018

With the mykos you want it to be in contact with your roots. So when you replant make sure the exposed roots get it.

IIReignManII · Dec 27, 2018

ShLUbY said:
Per 7.5 gal of base:
1/2 cup: alfalfa, bone, greensand, azomite
3/4 cup: kelp
1/4 cup: bloodmeal

mykos directly to the roots (this is your best fungi product, as it likely only contains R. intraracides, the best one)
oregonism XL, mix a couple tablespoons in each pot of soil.

if i had the things to work with that you do, this is how i would do it. If I had options to go pick up a couple things, I would get crab meal, gypsum, and neem meal... and ditch the blood meal all together.

Good Luck

Would you recommend layering this with base in some fashion or should I just plant into straight super soil?

Wetdog · Dec 27, 2018

IIReignManII said:
I have...however the nutes I have are different than the recipes on there so I wasnt exactly sure how to adjust them. Most of them measure for kelp, crab and neem but I have a larger and different assortment...however half a cup per cuft seems to be fairly standard?

Yeah, the 1/2cup is a good standard to start with. No matter the recipe, it's going to act a bit different for you and your environment/grow style and you will surely adjust it over time.

It's very much like making chili the first time from a basic recipe. The second time you make it it's almost certain you will adjust the seasonings some towards getting it to taste more like what you want. After a few batches you're pretty much dialed in. Same deal with organic amendments, but you're adjusting for the plants taste.

ShLUbY is an excellent source of information, pay attention to what he has to say.

Wet

ShLUbY · Dec 27, 2018

IIReignManII said:
Would you recommend layering this with base in some fashion or should I just plant into straight super soil?

this is a plant right in it recipe. not as hot as subcools super soil recipe

IIReignManII · Dec 27, 2018

ShLUbY said:
this is a plant right in it recipe. not as hot as subcools super soil recipe

Thank you...I know ideally I would cook this a month but how early could I get away with planting into this? My first girl is thriving pretty hard and will be three weeks since it broke the surface tomorrow. I think Im starting to see a root or two becoming visible in the bottom drainage holes. I had hoped to leave it in its current pot until it was time to move it to the 7 gallon. I'm also cooking these bagged up in my tent...would it be best to mulch something on top or lightly cover them with some plastic?

ShLUbY · Dec 27, 2018

IIReignManII said:
Thank you...I know ideally I would cook this a month but how early could I get away with planting into this? My first girl is thriving pretty hard and will be three weeks since it broke the surface tomorrow. I think Im starting to see a root or two becoming visible in the bottom drainage holes. I had hoped to leave it in its current pot until it was time to move it to the 7 gallon. I'm also cooling these bagged up in my tent...would it be best to mulch something on top or lightly cover them with some plastic?

yeah covering it, loosely, is a good thing to do. also mixing it up at least once a week will help the process go as fast as possible. introducing fresh air is key to the process. remember you don't want the soil to go anaerobic, it will get stinky and breed microbial populations that you don't want in your soil. So keep it oxygenated! you've got 2 more weeks in that container easily, a few roots showing in the bottom is no big deal. I would plant no sooner than 3 weeks into the fresh soil.

IIReignManII · Dec 27, 2018

ShLUbY said:
yeah covering it, loosely, is a good thing to do. also mixing it up at least once a week will help the process go as fast as possible. introducing fresh air is key to the process. remember you don't want the soil to go anaerobic, it will get stinky and breed microbial populations that you don't want in your soil. So keep it oxygenated! you've got 2 more weeks in that container easily, a few roots showing in the bottom is no big deal. I would plant no sooner than 3 weeks into the fresh soil.

Thanks again! Thats good to know because I was under the impression that I needed to keep it undisturbed to allow the biology to grow.

ShLUbY · Dec 27, 2018

IIReignManII said:
Thanks again! Thats good to know because I was under the impression that I needed to keep it undisturbed to allow the biology to grow.

once a week is fine. and the mixing will help spread populations throughout the mix and inoculate/compost it faster. too much disturbance is probably a thing though haha

IIReignManII · Dec 28, 2018

ShLUbY said:
once a week is fine. and the mixing will help spread populations throughout the mix and inoculate/compost it faster. too much disturbance is probably a thing though haha

I mixed up two of the 7 gallon pots with your ratios and put them in the tent....It was in the tub overnight before I potted them this morning and I could already feel it getting warm. I gotta grab another bag of castings and maybe another bag of compost to make two more bags. How much and how often would you water this during the cooking process? I was thinking I should wet it once every 5-6 days or so to keep it moist? My room has really good ventilation but I'm having trouble getting my RH over 42-45%, it was getting down to 29% until I started running my Vicks dehumidifer 24/7 in there and its keeping it in the low 40's. I grabbed some agave nectar to feed the microbes, I heard its a great alternative to molasses since its fructose...is one tablespoon diluted per gallon of water just fine for that?

ShLUbY · Dec 28, 2018

IIReignManII said:
I mixed up two of the 7 gallon pots with your ratios and put them in the tent....It was in the tub overnight before I potted them this morning and I could already feel it getting warm. I gotta grab another bag of castings and maybe another bag of compost to make two more bags. How much and how often would you water this during the cooking process? I was thinking I should wet it once every 5-6 days or so to keep it moist? My room has really good ventilation but I'm having trouble getting my RH over 42-45%, it was getting down to 29% until I started running my Vicks dehumidifer 24/7 in there and its keeping it in the low 40's. I grabbed some agave nectar to feed the microbes, I heard its a great alternative to molasses since its fructose...is one tablespoon diluted per gallon of water just fine for that?

Are they in plastic or fabric pots? If plastic, and you have them covered, they really shouldn’t need much water at all after the initial wetting. If fabric, 5-6 days sounds about right

Don’t add agave more than once or twice, and 1 teaspoon per gal is plenty, not a tablespoon

IIReignManII · Dec 28, 2018

ShLUbY said:
Are they in plastic or fabric pots? If plastic, and you have them covered, they really shouldn’t need much water at all after the initial wetting. If fabric, 5-6 days sounds about right

Don’t add agave more than once or twice, and 1 teaspoon per gal is plenty, not a tablespoon

Yep they're fabric smart pots...thanks again for checking my homework, Dad! Lmao

IIReignManII · Dec 29, 2018

ShLUbY said:
Are they in plastic or fabric pots? If plastic, and you have them covered, they really shouldn’t need much water at all after the initial wetting. If fabric, 5-6 days sounds about right

Don’t add agave more than once or twice, and 1 teaspoon per gal is plenty, not a tablespoon

A family member of mine who grows this way as well is really suggesting to me that I go out and get a couple shovel fulls of outside natural dirt to add to my mix as well...would you personally recommend this? His reasoning was that the mix wont retain nutrients well without adding some real dirt.

Is this mix too hot?

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