Is this over watering?
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Treesomewanted77
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We need more info before you can get answers.
1.medium type. It looks like coco?
2.what’s your environment conditions?
3.what’s your watering/feeding like?
4.what nutrients are you using?
5.are you PH’ing the water/feed and what’s the EC/PPM of your watering/feed?
Im sure I’m forgetting a question or 2 but with the answers to these you may get some better help with the diagnosis
1.medium type. It looks like coco?
2.what’s your environment conditions?
3.what’s your watering/feeding like?
4.what nutrients are you using?
5.are you PH’ing the water/feed and what’s the EC/PPM of your watering/feed?
Im sure I’m forgetting a question or 2 but with the answers to these you may get some better help with the diagnosis
Herb & Suds
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To me it looks like you aren’t watering to run off
Are you letting it sit in same run off?
Are you letting it sit in same run off?
Not to be unthankful for the offer of help, genuine enquiry here. why do you need environmental conditions to diagnose a presented obvious state of the leaves? Can't the cause of what's wrong be taken from their appearance without needing to know what growing conditions they are in?
These were cuttings someone gave me that had been in a propagator for a while, they weren't so healthy, the roots that come out of the coco pellets they are in had dried quite a bit. I put them in new coco and watered them a bit, not much, a few times, then as they took I watered them more, they definitely have grown and responded, but the leaves all went a bit funky at one point. There is no run off as I haven't water them that much so as to allow the roots to develop, the roots were only contained within the little coco plugs mostly, they have grown out more into the coco now.
I do ph and ec every time. Ec was around 800 when the leaves went like that, ph is always about 6.0 I'm using a dry fertiliser called woma 123 or something, it's just a basic veg feed, I'm going to change to canna a+b tho for flower. I had also swapped out a 250 watt bulb for a 600 watt bulb for like a day, then realized was too much for them, so I think that probably contributed to the leaves drying a bit, but the damage to them, the darker spots and rust type patches, were already there, the heat just made it worse. The plants are OK and are coming along, but if still like to know what made the leaves go funny, the dark patches are what really dried up and any info I saw on those were over watering, but yeah I don't see how I was over watering, the coco was and is very dry on top for a few inches while I let them grow roots into the deeper moist coco underneath the dry stuff.
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Coco is not soil and once roots are established is almost impossible to over water. The new growth looks ok.
Herb & Suds
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You have to have runoff especially in coco
Your problem is self inflicted not a light issue
You also need coco wet continuously there is no dry on top
Your problem is self inflicted not a light issue
You also need coco wet continuously there is no dry on top
Dont I need to let the cuttings or new seedlings with very little roots seek out water and thereby growing roots? If I keep watering them will they grow roots? The coco dried on top because of the lights and fan but 2 inches or so underneath there is moisture, I shouldn't keep watering them considering that right, I need to let the roots get established, isn't that how that is done?You have to have runoff especially in coco
Your problem is self inflicted not a light issue
You also need coco wet continuously there is no dry on top
Dont I need to water lightly until the roots are established tho? If that's not how to do it then how do you get roots established? I've never had great roots to be honest, I always thought the reason for that was that I watered too much so this time I'm holding back with the water.
Yes the plants are coming along OK now.
Is the run off only to stop salt build up or is there other reasons? I had planned to do one feeding as a flush with water once a week/10 days I think to get rid of salt build up.You have to have runoff especially in coco
Your problem is self inflicted not a light issue
You also need coco wet continuously there is no dry on top
Haha for real tho? If you're being serious is there something that will help in root growth? I've never had big roots so I thought it was that I wasn't allowing them to develop because I watered them too much.
mudballs
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You trying to answer yourself is a postive, keep doing that. You may discover what you did wrong, maybe not. Focus on right way things now. Yes im serious in soiless substrate you can slam these plants with feed...once established. That plant isnt ready for such extremes but i didnt want herb and suds turning you into a softee chasing the wrong ideas and c2g turning you into a true grower without me helping to turn you into a true grower.
Hollatchaboy
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Do you have your tents set up on carpet?
mudballs
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No...i did tho.tent is wrapped up in rafters of garage now. That pic is a google search
Yeah right that's what I was thinking, the plants aren't ready for heaving watering. people say once roots are established coco is like Hydro, so is what I'm doing now the way to allow roots to get established? light watering until the roots have grown out looking for water? I gave all the plants a pretty decent amount of water 2 days ago, it didn't wet all the coco but the area around the plants got a good soak, and I upped the ec to like 1400, still under a 250 watt light, the plants seemed to like it. I figured why wet all the coco there are no roots out in the rest of the coco to even take the nutrient yet, when it will only evaporate and leave salt.
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What would that matter if there is a water catchment tray underneath? Or is there some other reason for asking that? Mine are on carpet.
You raise only the P? What do you use to raise the P, a single nutrient/P additive or some root stimulator product?
mudballs
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If you're in coco the reason you're having root issues is you're not keeping it wet enough. I began growing rails and moved to coco so I could move plants, rails are restrictive. When I moved my clones out of my Aerokloner to coco I water them just like the rest of my coco. If you let coco dry out you increase your salt retention and burn your plants.
Coco = hydro, thank god because I can't grow shit in soil.