Is this plant trimmed enough?, 17 days in flower

spokehead88

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I would pull all the dead or dying leaves. Also anything underneath your trellis should be plucked, that is if you are using the trellis correctly
Im not sure i am using it correctly, i think the lower trellis isent low enough, or perhaps ot will grow into trellis ad the time goes.

I guess ill pluck dead leaf/prune very lightly everyday untill end of week 3. I read mmj plants have problems diverting energy due to pruned colas, past day 10 in bloom...
I hope im not muking up by ligtly prunning this next week..
Thanks boss!
 

spokehead88

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I lollipop if I'm scrogging. I'll also remove leaves that are clearly dead/dying. Other than that I don't cut a single leaf.
How do you lollipop without cutting leafes?
Im assuming you finish training your girls b4 flip, to my understanding to lollipop you indeed cut 1/3 2/3 down from base. So it focuses bud development to top of canopy. Rather than airy buds
 

spokehead88

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chemphlegm

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http://www.growersguidetocannabis.com/pruning-cannabis/ =
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Pruning during flowering?
Its generally to be avoided. Once the transition to flowering has been made, these growth hormones are hardly produced: in order to repair the damage caused by pruning, the plant has to divert energies away from bud production and into making growth hormones instead.10 days
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What about trimming shade leaves during flowering?

BUT science tells us that pruning cannabis for maximum yield means avoiding pruning during flowering. The large fan leaves photosynthesize the energy needed for good buds, and even as the plant matures and the leaves turn yellow, it is better to let these gradually reabsorb the energy rather than shock the marijuana plant by pruning them. Leaf removal may even prompt sex change.


expert says:
Leafing

Leafing is one of the most misunderstood techniques of drug Cannabis.cultivation. In the mind of the cultivator, several reasons exist for removing leaves. Many feel that large shade leaves draw energy from the flowering plant, and therefore the flowering clusters will be smaller. It is felt that by removing the leaves, surplus energy will be available, and large floral clusters will be formed. Also, some feel that inhibitors of flowering, synthesized in the leaves during the long non inductive days of summer, may be stored in the older leaves that were formed during the non inductive photoperiod. Possibly, if these inhibitor-laden leaves are removed, the plant will proceed to flower, and maturation will be accelerated. Large leaves shade the inner portions of the plant, and small atrophied floral clusters may begin to develop if they receive more light. In actuality, few if any of the theories behind leafing give any indication of validity. Indeed, leafing possibly serves to defeat its original purpose. Large leaves have a definite function in the growth and development of Cannabis. Large leaves serve as photosynthetic factories for the production of sugars and other necessary growth sub stances. They also create shade, but at the same time they are collecting valuable solar energy and producing foods that will be used during the floral development of the plant. Premature removal of leaves may cause stunting, because the potential for photosynthesis is reduced. As these leaves age and lose their ability to carry on photo synthesis they turn chlorotie (yellow) and fall to the ground. In humid areas care is taken to remove the yellow or brown leaves, because they might invite attack by fungus. During chlorosis the plant breaks down substances, such as chlorophylls, and translocates the molecular components to a new growing part of the plant, such as the flowers. Most Cannabis plants begin to lose their larger leaves when they enter the flowering stage, and this trend continues until senescence. It is more efficient for the plant to reuse the energy and various molecular components of existing chlorophyll than to synthesize new chlorophyll at the time of flowering. During flowering this energy is needed to form floral clusters and ripen seeds. Removing large amounts of leaves may interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. If this metabolic change occurs too late in the season it could interfere with floral development and delay maturation. If any floral inhibitors are removed, the intended effect of accelerating flowering will probably be counteracted by metabolic upset in the plant. Removal of shade leaves does facilitate more light reaching the center of the plant, but if there is not enough food energy produced in the leaves, the small internal floral clusters will probably not grow any larger. Leaf removal may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic change. If leaves must be removed, the petiole is cut so that at least an inch remains attached to the stalk. Weaknesses in the limb axis at the node result if the leaves are pulled off at the abscission layer while they are still green. Care is taken to see that the shriveling petiole does not invite fungus attack. It should be remembered that, regardless of strain or environmental conditions, the plant strives to reproduce, and reproduction is favored by early maturation. This produces a situation where plants are trying to mature and reproduce as fast as possible. Although the purpose of leafing is to speed maturation, disturbing the natural progressive growth of a plant probably interferes with its rapid development. Cannabis grows largest when provided with plentiful nutrients, sunlight, and water and left alone to grow and mature naturally. It must be remembered that any alteration of the natural life cycle of Cannabis will affect productivity. Imaginative combinations and adaptations of propagation techniques exist, based on specific situations of cultivation. Logical choices are made to direct the natural growth cycle of Cannabis to favor the timely maturation of those products sought by the cultivator, without sacrificing seed or clone production. Cannabis Botany from R.C. Clark.[/su_tab]

the other link says to do this in veg, NOT FLOWER
peace out
by all means....hack away of course. I employ many techniques that would likely not work well for others, I get it.

Pinching, training, removing dying leaves, topping, bending, lollipopping in veg are all great ways to increase production., because of the hormonal messaging to produce more bud site meristems. has nothing to do with diversion of energy, or els..

be cool to strip leaves off an apple tree to get one giant apple? nah....doesnt work that way either.
 

gr865

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OUTDOOR GROWING, PRUNING
Pruning cannabis

Key words Outdoor growing

I grow vertical INDOORS and I prune during veg, and at day 21 of 12/12.

Day 21 of 12/12 #5 Prior to defo
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Day 21 after defo
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Day 25 4 days following defo
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After the 21 day defo I only remove leaves blocking other bud sites.
Not saying this is right or wrong but it works for me.

GR
 

DesertPlants

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Stop cutting off the power plant to the system. Leaves make energy. There is no "concentration of energy" or "diversion of energy." They are literally what make most of the energy, when you cut them off, you harm the plant, not help it.
 

Crashed

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What DesertPlants said, a plant doesn't 'use' energy in its leaves, it 'creates' energy in its leaves through photosynthesis. It costs the plant no energy to drop a leaf it does not want, but sure does cost it energy if you take a leaf it does want. If a leaf is not getting enough light, it will use up the mobile nutrients in the leaf and then drop it. By 'not getting enough light' I don't mean its slightly shaded, a shaded leaf is still a useful leaf, a leaf not getting enough light for the plant to decide it would better to use the nutrients in the leaf then the benefit it is getting from the light. Let the plant decide, I know an indoor grow is completely different than say a landrace growing somewhere in Afghan, but natural selection works and through natural selection the plant has evolved to know exactly where it needs a leaf and exactly when it doesn't. So, all removing a leaf will do is divert energy from its bud growing schedule to a healing one. Think of it like this, you have solar panels in your garden and a tree grows over one of them, it is still producing energy, but less energy than the ones where the tree has not grown... would you take a hammer and smash that solar panel shaded by the tree, it just makes no sense. So I would say a plant is trimmed enough when it is not trimmed at all. I know people have different opinions, but this is not an opinion, it is science.
 
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Crashed

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Here's also an interesting thing, if you take a look at grow pictures on the internet which utilise side lighting (vertical lighting) they grow EXACTLY the same structure as one with top lighting, big cola on top and less developed lower buds. The plant focuses its energy on the top bud not because it gets more light, but because natural selection means that it has evolved to have the biggest bud located where it is most likely to be pollinated, which is at the top. So say LST is not because we want the buds to get the same amount of light, but because we want the buds all to be at the top of the plant. If you are apt at science, you can google how the plant knows where the top is, but it is has nothing to do with light :)
 
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spokehead88

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Here's also an interesting thing, if you take a look at grow pictures on the internet which utilise side lighting (vertical lighting) they grow EXACTLY the same structure as one with top lighting, big cola on top and less developed lower buds. The plant focuses its energy on the top bud not because it gets more light, but because natural selection means that it has evolved to have the biggest bud located where it is most likely to be pollinated, which is at the top. So say LST is not because we want the buds to get the same amount of light, but because we want the buds all to be at the top of the plant. If you are apt at science, you can google how the plant knows where the top is, but it is has nothing to do with light :)

Wow thats great stuff, thank you. I was going to invest in vertical lighting for that very reason, so your stating light penitration isent what gets buds bigger but rather the genetic code that tells the plant where to develope its flowers?

Im assuming a hid light would obviously develope bigger, potenter, higher grade buds, than lets say a cfl or led.

I guess i got more reading to do
 

spokehead88

Active Member
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OUTDOOR GROWING, PRUNING
Pruning cannabis

Key words Outdoor growing

I grow vertical INDOORS and I prune during veg, and at day 21 of 12/12.

Day 21 of 12/12 #5 Prior to defo
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Day 21 after defo
View attachment 4060360
Day 25 4 days following defo
View attachment 4060367

After the 21 day defo I only remove leaves blocking other bud sites.
Not saying this is right or wrong but it works for me.

GR
That looks great, thank you so much for your info, and knowledge, i shoulda known better to post a controversial topic, being that one says this and another says that. Ive read tetter tottering on both sides, and it gets really confusing, what to go off of, i will try this on a couple plants. Im running a perpetual, so if this works, yield wise, i would be stoked. Ill post pics,comparison, weigh ins, on plants that where defoliared, vs the ones that werent.
 

gr865

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That looks great, thank you so much for your info, and knowledge, i shoulda known better to post a controversial topic, being that one says this and another says that. Ive read tetter tottering on both sides, and it gets really confusing, what to go off of, i will try this on a couple plants. Im running a perpetual, so if this works, yield wise, i would be stoked. Ill post pics,comparison, weigh ins, on plants that where defoliared, vs the ones that werent.[/QUOTE]

Cool, be looking forward to your trial.

Do I care what they say, I know what works for me. I really don't know why they even comment.
They can grow anyway they choose, why they want to put people down/talk bad about their grows is beyond me.
I will continue the method I use.

I have the plants started to put in the tent when this batch is done, it will be a horizontal grow, two 315's, 3 gallon smart pots in coco. Probably 5 plant to be able to space them to get light penetration. I will run 5 clones from my Barneys Farm LSD 4 - #1 & 1 #3. Need to get them in as soon as these are ready because I want another harvest before mid April to make a batch of CO.
 

DesertPlants

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That looks great, thank you so much for your info, and knowledge, i shoulda known better to post a controversial topic, being that one says this and another says that. Ive read tetter tottering on both sides, and it gets really confusing, what to go off of, i will try this on a couple plants. Im running a perpetual, so if this works, yield wise, i would be stoked. Ill post pics,comparison, weigh ins, on plants that where defoliared, vs the ones that werent.
Cool, be looking forward to your trial.

Do I care what they say, I know what works for me. I really don't know why they even comment.
They can grow anyway they choose, why they want to put people down/talk bad about their grows is beyond me.
I will continue the method I use.

I have the plants started to put in the tent when this batch is done, it will be a horizontal grow, two 315's, 3 gallon smart pots in coco. Probably 5 plant to be able to space them to get light penetration. I will run 5 clones from my Barneys Farm LSD 4 - #1 & 1 #3. Need to get them in as soon as these are ready because I want another harvest before mid April to make a batch of CO.[/QUOTE]

I was not intending to put anyone down. I was trying to help elevate the plants and results. Everyone has their own grow style and the "most efficient" is not necessarily the best for you. It's a mix of art and science. There is a technical A > B equation for everything, but that doesn't mean that is what you want. I just share info and others can consume it and do what they please.
 

MichiganMedGrower

Well-Known Member
OUTDOOR GROWING, PRUNING
Pruning cannabis

Key words Outdoor growing

I grow vertical INDOORS and I prune during veg, and at day 21 of 12/12.

Day 21 of 12/12 #5 Prior to defo
View attachment 4060361
Day 21 after defo
View attachment 4060360
Day 25 4 days following defo
View attachment 4060367

After the 21 day defo I only remove leaves blocking other bud sites.
Not saying this is right or wrong but it works for me.

GR

Have you compared just flowering like it is in your first pic? Looks much healthier before the de leafing.

I have. And I have gotten a third more yield from the same cuttings.
 
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