is this possible?

lier

Member
Mission: Make "short rider" have a baby with "white widow"
I want to call it "white rider"
Problem: I ordered autoflower short rider, and regualr ww
Question:*Is it possible to make them have babies? one male, one female?
*Can i do 18/6 for both without damaing the auto , then switch to 12/12?
*anyybody ever done this? OR should i test it?
I want to create White rider, help !!
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Of course it is. They got autos by crossing "regular" pot with ruderalis. There's no way to tell what you'll get or how long they will take to flower.
 

lier

Member
Of course it is. They got autos by crossing "regular" pot with ruderalis. There's no way to tell what you'll get or how long they will take to flower.
cool. ya i read that u cant clone autos also? idk if thats true. its google and all. I hope to make a sweet baby :D
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
Mission: Make "short rider" have a baby with "white widow"
I want to call it "white rider"
Problem: I ordered autoflower short rider, and regualr ww
Question:*Is it possible to make them have babies? one male, one female?
*Can i do 18/6 for both without damaing the auto , then switch to 12/12?
*anyybody ever done this? OR should i test it?
I want to create White rider, help !!
Of course its "possible"; all of the autoflowering strains were created by hybridizing popular potent commercial strains to autoflowering ruderalis strains just like you describe.

If I remember right, the original "lowryder" was created this way using either Northern Lights or William's wonder.

With the popularity of autoflowering stains, and with White Widow being one of the most popular strains of all time, of course someone has tried this.

In fact, you don't have to reinvent the wheel; you can buy what purports to be this exact same thing right here:
http://www.headsite.com/automatic-white-widow-feminised-seeds--lowlife-494-p.asp

Now, I've never tried this stuff, and can't comment on its quality. It might be great, it might suck. There also might be other breeders who have given this a shot, so there may even have a few autoflowering "White Widows" out there to choose from.

In general, doing a cross like this is necessary to develop a new line, but not sufficient.

You'd still have to grow out a bunch of progeny, then test ALL of them for autoflowering tendency, potency, and other traits, select the best ones, then repeatedly cross (or backcross) them to establish a stable line. To do the proper selection and stabilization should take at least 6 generations and 10 would be better. In other words, to do it right, you'd be looking at a 2-3 year project.

If you didn't go through this rigorous process, its entirely possible (in fact highly likely) that second generation mixed plants like this wouldn't autoflower, or wouldn't be potent, etc. Instead of ending up with the best traits of both parents, you might end up with the WORST ones! IE instead of a potent autoflowering strain, you might end up with a NON-potent NON-autoflowering strain! Even if *some* of the progeny had the traits you liked, unless you selected them out and stabilized them with repeated selected crosses over many generations, the offspring of the plants you liked might not retain them.

Since its impractical to clone autoflowering strains, you *must* stabilize the strain if you want something that will be consistent for continuous multi-generation seed production.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
cool. ya i read that u cant clone autos also? idk if thats true. its google and all. I hope to make a sweet baby :D
The idea behind cloning is to take a bunch of clones, put them through vegetative growth, then flower them when its convenient for you. That way you can grow cycle after cycle of the same plant.

Yes, you can clone autoflowers, but the clones themselves will still autoflower and finish flowering at the same time as the mother plant..

You can't keep the clones in vegetative growth to prevent them from flowering, then flower them when its convenient for you.

This means that cloning autoflowering plants doesn't buy you anything, except for reducing the yield of the original mother plant by cutting off pieces and diverting their energy to rooting.
 
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