Is Time An Illusion?

Finshaggy · Nov 3, 2011

Our next step is to be doing the "Iphone salute" while we purge poor people from the street into Mexico. Over our electric wall.

Or the poor people rising up. One or the other. They are in the streets though, so it's gotta happen soon.

tyler.durden · Nov 3, 2011

olylifter420 said:
You feel better now, champ?

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Beefbisquit · Nov 3, 2011

Finshaggy said:
GPS
Smart Phones
EVERYONE thinks watching TV is something "To do"
Drugs, murder, rape, stealing: Bad
Work, cleanlines, consuming food and products:Good

Over simplified? I think so.

Things were much simpler 2000 years ago. Wake up, shit, piss, try to eat, try not to die, sleep, repeat.

If gravity isn't relative to distance, than why is there an event horizon around black holes? The closer you get to one, the stronger the gravity becomes....

Beefbisquit · Nov 3, 2011

tyler.durden said:
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Finshaggy · Nov 3, 2011

Beefbisquit said:
Things were much simpler 2000 years ago. Wake up, shit, piss, try to eat, try not to die, sleep, repeat.

If gravity isn't relative to distance, than why is there an event horizon around black holes? The closer you get to one, the stronger the gravity becomes....

No. Read the Rig Veda, and look and Hindu today. People were looking into the fact that they can see, hear, smell, taste, speak, make things up, and they invented writing.

We have simplified everything to the point where we think "speaking, seeing, writing, reading" is just "normal"...But it's not, it's amazing, and needs to be not only revered, but constantly considered in everyday life.

Finshaggy · Nov 3, 2011

Beefbisquit said:
Things were much simpler 2000 years ago. Wake up, shit, piss, try to eat, try not to die, sleep, repeat.

If gravity isn't relative to distance, than why is there an event horizon around black holes? The closer you get to one, the stronger the gravity becomes....

Even NASA says that "Black holes have never been seen." It's all speculation, imagination, and people seeing dark spaces on telescope pictures, with seemingly immense gravity. There is no way to prove it's black holes.

mindphuk · Nov 3, 2011

Finshaggy said:
Even NASA says that "Black holes have never been seen." It's all speculation, imagination, and people seeing dark spaces on telescope pictures, with seemingly immense gravity. There is no way to prove it's black holes.

Black holes can't be seen even when you are right there. Their gravitational effects can be seen and more importantly, MEASURED. You're woefully inadequate understanding of science wouldn't be so bad if you didn't act so cocky as if you actually did understand it. Leave it to you to introduce the idea that if it can't be seen it's imaginary.

researchkitty · Nov 3, 2011

Replying just so I can read past page one and laugh at the replies later............... Especially Finshaggy's science major in Oopsology lol................

Finshaggy · Nov 3, 2011

mindphuk said:
Black holes can't be seen even when you are right there. Their gravitational effects can be seen and more importantly, MEASURED. You're woefully inadequate understanding of science wouldn't be so bad if you didn't act so cocky as if you actually did understand it. Leave it to you to introduce the idea that if it can't be seen it's imaginary.

Again, you missed the point. NASA says they don't exist.
If you have science to back up that they do, you are listening to Imagineers, lmfao.

Doer · Nov 3, 2011

OK, here's what I've been thinking. Gravity is not one of the fundamental forces.
That explains it's pitiful weakness compared to the fun-forces.

It is a displacement of spacetime. An effect of the bendable nature of spacetime.
Think of displacement of water = flotation We don't have to consider to where
the water is displaced, only the mass.

Can gravity be nothing more than the ability of matter to displace space?
And like flotation, only matter at it's smallest part, can "float", that is, displace
spacetime. The rest is energy of various ilk.

If we can find WHY matter displaces spacetime, then gravity can be described
not as a fundamental force, but a natural effect of space itself.
It's got to be an quantum thing, right?

Finshaggy · Nov 3, 2011

Doer said:
OK, here's what I've been thinking. Gravity is not one of the fundamental forces.
That explains it's pitiful weakness compared to the fun-forces.

It is a displacement of spacetime. An effect bendable nature of spacetime.
Think of displacement of water = flotation We don't have to consider to where
the water is displaced, only the mass.

Can gravity be nothing more than the ability of matter to displace space?
And like flotation, only matter at it's smallest part, can "float", that is, displace
spacetime. The rest is energy of various ilk.

If we can find WHY matter displaces spacetime, then gravity can be described
not as a fundamental force, but a natural effect of space itself.
It's got to be an quantum thing, right?

No, it's not weak, we are just far from where the strong points should be. But most "Inner Earth Science" is just speculation too, we've never checked through the magma and all that.

There could be a magic alien device producing the effects gravity at the core. We don't know what's there. We can just guess looking at us, and the moon and the sun and everything.

cannabineer · Nov 3, 2011

Finshaggy said:
Again, you missed the point. NASA says they don't exist.
If you have science to back up that they do, you are listening to Imagineers, lmfao.

Easy there. In the previous post you said NASA says they haven't been seen. The implication is, seen directly.
Cygnus X1 and Sgr A* have the visual and radioptic appearance that astrophysicists universally accept characterizes the effects of a singularity, which effects we label a black hole.
But the jump from "can't see" to "don't exist" doesn't work.
cn

mindphuk · Nov 3, 2011

Finshaggy said:
Again, you missed the point. NASA says they don't exist.
If you have science to back up that they do, you are listening to Imagineers, lmfao.

Link to anyone at NASA that says they don't exist. Or is this just one more of your specious bullshit claims that you cannot prove?

Heisenberg · Nov 3, 2011

Finshaggy said:
Again, you missed the point. NASA says they don't exist.
If you have science to back up that they do, you are listening to Imagineers, lmfao.

The other explanation is that you are delusional and profoundly empty of intellectual aptitude.

“Freedom of belief” (in anything but the legal sense) is a myth. We will see that we are no more free to believe whatever we want about God than we are free to adopt unjustified beliefs about science or history, or free to mean whatever we want when using words like “poison” or “north” or “zero.” Anyone who would lay claim to such entitlements should not be surprised when the rest of us stop listening to him. -- Sam Harris

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l2/black_holes.html

If a black hole passes through a cloud of interstellar matter, or is close to another "normal" star, the black hole can accrete matter into itself. As the matter falls or is pulled towards the black hole, it gains kinetic energy, heats up and is squeezed by tidal forces. The heating ionizes the atoms, and when the atoms reach a few million Kelvin, they emit X-rays. The X-rays are sent off into space before the matter crosses the Schwarzschild radius and crashes into the singularity. Thus we can see this X-ray emission.

Another sign of the presence of a black hole is its random variation of emitted X-rays. The infalling matter that emits X-rays does not fall into the black hole at a steady rate, but rather more sporadically, which causes an observable variation in X-ray intensity. Additionally, if the X-ray source is in a binary system, and we see it from certain angles, the X-rays will be periodically cut off as the source is eclipsed by the companion star. When looking for black hole candidates, all these things are taken into account.

Beefbisquit · Nov 3, 2011

Finshaggy said:
Again, you missed the point. NASA says they don't exist.
If you have science to back up that they do, you are listening to Imagineers, lmfao.

NASA - Black Hole: Extreme Exploration

NASA- 1) What Are black holes? 2) If we can't see them, How do we know they are there?

Here's an excerpt from www.nasa.gov;

This is not science fiction, but a description of the strangest of Nature's creations, a black hole. The modern notion of a black hole came from the mind of Albert Einstein when, almost a century ago, he created a new way to think about gravity that lead to some wild possibilities, including black holes. Nobody at the time, including Einstein, believed they could possibly exist in reality. Now, with the help of advanced space telescopes such as NASA's Chandra X-Ray observatory, we have come to realize not only that black holes are real, but also that they are everywhere! Let's explore the darkest and most extreme place in the cosmos, the realm of the black hole.

You sir, are wrong in oh so many ways, about oh so many things.

Finshaggy · Nov 4, 2011

Beefbisquit said:
NASA - Black Hole: Extreme Exploration

NASA- 1) What Are black holes? 2) If we can't see them, How do we know they are there?

Here's an excerpt from www.nasa.gov;

You sir, are wrong in oh so many ways, about oh so many things.

That can't be from NASA. I literally got in an argument with someone, and what determined the end was the NASA website saying that it was false. I'll Google, but can you post a link?

tyler.durden · Nov 4, 2011

Finshaggy said:
Again, you missed the point. NASA says they don't exist.
If you have science to back up that they do, you are listening to Imagineers, lmfao.

Dude, there's this great new technological advance called, 'search engines'. My favorite is Google: www.google.com. When you type in a question, or even a bunch of words about a subject you're interested in, lots of informative websites pop up. It's a really useful tool for discovery, and for not being humiliated in public. It's quick and easy, give it a shot...

Finshaggy · Nov 4, 2011

[video=youtube;A4GFAjX62Yg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4GFAjX62Yg[/video]

Finshaggy · Nov 4, 2011

"In general relativity, there is no such thing as a 'universal time' that makes clocks tick at the same rate everywhere. Instead, gravity makes clocks run at different rates in different places. But quantum mechanics, which describes physical phenomena at infinitesimally small scales, is meaningful only if time is universal; if not, its equations make no sense."

And time is not universal.

Lol.

Black holes and time don't exist, all at once...LOL...

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html

Finshaggy · Nov 4, 2011

http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/index.html

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