Israel and the ignored UN Resolutions

CrackerJax

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Military action does not happen in a vacuum natrone. If it did, then Israel would have solved this problem long ago...... so get real.

Ask yourself why Iran wants the nuke capability so badly. To gain negotiation leverage? rofl...... If we listen to you and back away from Israel....what do you think will happen down the road? your bulb is flickering......tend to it.

Just prepare yourself for the main showdown which is coming up soon.... stay tuned.


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ilkhan

Well-Known Member
We fund Israel, we fund the Arab country's military machines to. We need to stop. We have a bad rep amongst the Arabs because the Israelis get their backing from us. Stop sending these other country's money we don't have. Wash our hands of the whole damn thing.

Let them come to terms amongst themselves or let them kill each other all off. They can make their own decisions and don't need us stickin' our nose in their business all the damn time.

Friendship and commerce with all nations, Alliances with none.

Honestly You get to talking about Israel there is no simple solution. I wouldn't touch that with a 10' pole. Let them deal with it. Keep us out nothing good will come from intervention.

But hey maybe we can get GM to set up a factory or 2 in Gaza. Give those poor people some good paying jobs.... But then Israel would bomb the factory's or the Muslims would bomb them thinking them part of the US war machine.... God what a pain in the ass.
 

Anotheroldephart

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It would seem to me that the rest of the Arab countries would rush to the aid of the Gaza Palestinians with not just aid to live, but with investments as well, but they don't because of Hamas's avowed destiny to wipe Israel off the map. No one is going to invest money to build targets so no future. Also f the rest of the Arab world really cared, then there would be a more concerted effort to curb the extremists....but they don't, or won't.
I know if it were my country, neighborhood being attacked by rockets I'd damn sure being throwing missiles back...but not scatter gun style.
For some of those not current, the Israelis have been uncovering massive quantities of arms and rockets , and destroying smuggling tunnels.

As for the shit hitting the fan..I and mine, are preparing..have been for a few years .
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Of course the dirty secret is the Arab nations refuse to absorb the Palestinians....always have.....they don't want them as citizens, only as pawns against Israel. The Middle East is disturbingly tribal and one of the main obstacles to stability in that region.


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GrowRebel

Well-Known Member
It certainly is, they were attacked, kicked butt took the land..spoils of war. Do you think if Egypt had beaten Israel that when it was over, Egypt would have returned the lands they occupied?
And if someone came in and forcefully took your home you'd have just that attitude ... "spoils of war" ... yeah ... you'd pat your aggressors on the back and said ... you win take my home ... it's your "spoils of war" ... and walk away a happy person, because it fits your twisted believe system ... right?:spew:

And while your making all these side tracks and kissing each others ass about "spoils of war" ... no one has yet to explain why Israel can ignore all the UN resolutions yet the US and Israel use the UN resolutions as an excuse for their illegal war (s)... why is that?:?:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
What illegal war? All legal, except for Hamas who are a terrorist Govt. The question is why does Israel even recognize them? Since Hamas is now the ELECTED Govt. of the people of Palestine....why are they complaining? They wanted and got an official Govt. to attack their neighbor (and primary benefactor :roll:), and then they wet their pants when there is a response. When one Govt. fires rockets at another Govt. , usually all bets are off. Israel has shown great restraint.

The U.N. is ignored on a daily basis...... one of the reasons is dictators are allowed to chair human rights committees.....anybody in the know realizes the U.N. is a joke... but we continue to float that bag o wind with your taxpayer monies each and every year.... no problems with that for you? :lol:



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medicineman

New Member
What illegal war? All legal, except for Hamas who are a terrorist Govt. The question is why does Israel even recognize them? Since Hamas is now the ELECTED Govt. of the people of Palestine....why are they complaining? They wanted and got an official Govt. to attack their neighbor (and primary benefactor :roll:), and then they wet their pants when there is a response. When one Govt. fires rockets at another Govt. , usually all bets are off. Israel has shown great restraint.

The U.N. is ignored on a daily basis...... one of the reasons is dictators are allowed to chair human rights committees.....anybody in the know realizes the U.N. is a joke... but we continue to float that bag o wind with your taxpayer monies each and every year.... no problems with that for you? :lol:



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It's called swatting flies with a ten lb. sledge. Why do all the Arab states hate us? Israel and our backing against the palestinians. Bush comes out and says: If the palestinians quit with the rockets, the Israelis will stop. Why doesn't he tell the israelis to stop and the palestinians to stop on the same day, yesterday?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
This is why it is important to be fluent in history.... without a foundational knowledge from which one can draw from, you end up with posts like Med Man's....


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cheeseysynapse

Well-Known Member
Charles Krauthammer FTW!
WASHINGTON -- Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.

Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis -- 6,464 launched from Gaza in the last three years -- deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.

This has two purposes. First, counting on the moral scrupulousness of Israel, Hamas figures civilian proximity might help protect at least part of its arsenal. Second, knowing that Israelis have new precision weapons that may allow them to attack nonetheless, Hamas hopes that inevitable collateral damage -- or, if it is really fortunate, an errant Israeli bomb -- will kill large numbers of its own people for which, of course, the world will blame Israel.

For Hamas the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable live-action Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom).

At war today in Gaza, one combatant is committed to causing the most civilian pain and suffering on both sides. The other combatant is committed to saving as many lives as possible -- also on both sides. It's a recurring theme. Israel gave similar warnings to Southern Lebanese villagers before attacking Hezbollah in the Lebanon war of 2006. The Israelis did this knowing it would lose for them the element of surprise and cost the lives of their own soldiers.

That is the asymmetry of means between Hamas and Israel. But there is equal clarity regarding the asymmetry of ends. Israel has but a single objective in Gaza -- peace: the calm, open, normal relations it offered Gaza when it withdrew in 2005. Doing something never done by the Turkish, British, Egyptian and Jordanian rulers of Palestine, the Israelis gave the Palestinians their first sovereign territory ever in Gaza.

What ensued? This is not ancient history. Did the Palestinians begin building the state that is supposedly their great national aim? No. No roads, no industry, no courts, no civil society at all. The flourishing greenhouses that Israel left behind for the Palestinians were destroyed and abandoned. Instead, Gaza's Iranian-sponsored rulers have devoted all their resources to turning it into a terror base -- importing weapons, training terrorists, building tunnels with which to kidnap Israelis on the other side. And of course firing rockets unceasingly.

The grievance? It cannot be occupation, military control or settlers. They were all removed in September 2005. There's only one grievance and Hamas is open about it. Israel's very existence.

Nor does Hamas conceal its strategy. Provoke conflict. Wait for the inevitable civilian casualties. Bring down the world's opprobrium on Israel. Force it into an untenable cease-fire -- exactly as happened in Lebanon. Then, as in Lebanon, rearm, rebuild and mobilize for the next round. Perpetual war. Since its raison d'etre is the eradication of Israel, there are only two possible outcomes: the defeat of Hamas or the extinction of Israel.

Israel's only response is to try to do what it failed to do after the Gaza withdrawal. The unpardonable strategic error of its architect, Ariel Sharon, was not the withdrawal itself but the failure to immediately establish a deterrence regime under which no violence would be tolerated after the removal of any and all Israeli presence -- the ostensible justification for previous Palestinian attacks. Instead, Israel allowed unceasing rocket fire, implicitly acquiescing to a state of active war and indiscriminate terror.

Hamas' rejection of an extension of its often-violated six-month cease-fire (during which the rockets never stopped, just were less frequent) gave Israel a rare opportunity to establish the norm it should have insisted upon three years ago: no rockets, no mortar fire, no kidnapping, no acts of war. As the U.S. government has officially stated: a sustainable and enduring cease-fire.

If this fighting ends with anything less than that, Israel will have lost again. It can ill afford to lose any more wars.
 

bubblegumdude

Active Member
heres my two cents .. the jews are from abraham
he was born in iraq cannenites are all the same .. jew and palestinians have the same dna markers brothers
just different sects of the same people .. irish idiots kill each other over religion jews and palestininans are equal idiots fighting for eternity
anybody who wants to fight fuck um ... anybody isralie palestinian who wants to grow crops fuck and drink and dance and sing im with .. the rest of you warmongering political idiots fuck off go to hell
 

bubblegumdude

Active Member
now im gonna smoke a bowl .. when i was in jerusalem the israli soldiers were in the hash house gettin hi smoking black hash and partying .. arabs soldiers businessmen . there are sane people there its the religious idiots who god loves who want to kill each other ....ok im done
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Charles Krauthammer FTW!
WASHINGTON -- Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.

Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis -- 6,464 launched from Gaza in the last three years -- deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.

This has two purposes. First, counting on the moral scrupulousness of Israel, Hamas figures civilian proximity might help protect at least part of its arsenal. Second, knowing that Israelis have new precision weapons that may allow them to attack nonetheless, Hamas hopes that inevitable collateral damage -- or, if it is really fortunate, an errant Israeli bomb -- will kill large numbers of its own people for which, of course, the world will blame Israel.

For Hamas the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable live-action Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom).

At war today in Gaza, one combatant is committed to causing the most civilian pain and suffering on both sides. The other combatant is committed to saving as many lives as possible -- also on both sides. It's a recurring theme. Israel gave similar warnings to Southern Lebanese villagers before attacking Hezbollah in the Lebanon war of 2006. The Israelis did this knowing it would lose for them the element of surprise and cost the lives of their own soldiers.

That is the asymmetry of means between Hamas and Israel. But there is equal clarity regarding the asymmetry of ends. Israel has but a single objective in Gaza -- peace: the calm, open, normal relations it offered Gaza when it withdrew in 2005. Doing something never done by the Turkish, British, Egyptian and Jordanian rulers of Palestine, the Israelis gave the Palestinians their first sovereign territory ever in Gaza.

What ensued? This is not ancient history. Did the Palestinians begin building the state that is supposedly their great national aim? No. No roads, no industry, no courts, no civil society at all. The flourishing greenhouses that Israel left behind for the Palestinians were destroyed and abandoned. Instead, Gaza's Iranian-sponsored rulers have devoted all their resources to turning it into a terror base -- importing weapons, training terrorists, building tunnels with which to kidnap Israelis on the other side. And of course firing rockets unceasingly.

The grievance? It cannot be occupation, military control or settlers. They were all removed in September 2005. There's only one grievance and Hamas is open about it. Israel's very existence.

Nor does Hamas conceal its strategy. Provoke conflict. Wait for the inevitable civilian casualties. Bring down the world's opprobrium on Israel. Force it into an untenable cease-fire -- exactly as happened in Lebanon. Then, as in Lebanon, rearm, rebuild and mobilize for the next round. Perpetual war. Since its raison d'etre is the eradication of Israel, there are only two possible outcomes: the defeat of Hamas or the extinction of Israel.

Israel's only response is to try to do what it failed to do after the Gaza withdrawal. The unpardonable strategic error of its architect, Ariel Sharon, was not the withdrawal itself but the failure to immediately establish a deterrence regime under which no violence would be tolerated after the removal of any and all Israeli presence -- the ostensible justification for previous Palestinian attacks. Instead, Israel allowed unceasing rocket fire, implicitly acquiescing to a state of active war and indiscriminate terror.

Hamas' rejection of an extension of its often-violated six-month cease-fire (during which the rockets never stopped, just were less frequent) gave Israel a rare opportunity to establish the norm it should have insisted upon three years ago: no rockets, no mortar fire, no kidnapping, no acts of war. As the U.S. government has officially stated: a sustainable and enduring cease-fire.

If this fighting ends with anything less than that, Israel will have lost again. It can ill afford to lose any more wars.
yep, he's dead on there..... if only the U.N. would stop enabling the killing of innocents.


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Anotheroldephart

Well-Known Member
Just curious, how can the U.N. accomplish that? Hamas won't even talk with Israel, Additionally the U.N. has historically impotent , by it's own inactions, that it's a joke. In other areas the U. N. does great things, but sadly, in armed conflicts, its "wait and see attitude" ends up with more dead civilians.. Case in point..the Balkans. When aid convoys were attacked the U.N. response was to stop them until the route was secured..by some one else, or by agreement betwen combatants. Result..no aid.
Imo, the solution lies in the hands of the civilians of Gaza as there are many more of them than of the extremists. There, as is prevelent inmost countreies is "somebody do something" that is..somebody else do something.
The U.N. may have power, but there are to many disparite ideoligies, mostly conflicting, to get a concensus on the appropriate actions...so nothing happens except continued civilian deaths.
My peeve is where are the protests against Hamas?
BTW..As today has progressed communication channels have been being cut off, so the reality of what is happening is being delivered by the "unbiased" media..Ain't that reassuring?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Instead of working to relieve the Palestinian refugees camps, the UN has dedicated an entire agency to perpetuate it. It's called the UNWRA..... google it and be ashamed.

For the rest of the planet's refugees the UN works ceaslessly and diligently :clap: to improve their situation, to relocate and help them build back up. In Palestine, the UN does the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. They do NOTHING to dismantle the camps and inadvertently (ill give them the benefit of the doubt) help the terrorists keep those poor wretches under their thumb so they can turn desperate people into walking bombs.
Hamas's central headquarters is in a hospital...... I want you to think about that.

I won't even get into the weapons buildup which is "not seen" by the UN. like , aw shucks, go on ahead and shoot somer off.

The U.N. needs to recognize that there is no difference between Palestine and Kosovo...... they need to grow a pair.



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Anotheroldephart

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Indeed. My solution for the Balkans was simple. Inform all sides that a convoy was coming, and when, Then inform them that there would be a swift and totally inappropriate amount of return firepower in response..regardless of who it was. Think that would have been affective?
The U.N. also wants to have a say in how our country is governed..Hilary said that we should govern ourselves based on "international opinion" I shudder at either entity have a say.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Indeed. My solution for the Balkans was simple. Inform all sides that a convoy was coming, and when, Then inform them that there would be a swift and totally inappropriate amount of return firepower in response..regardless of who it was. Think that would have been affective?
The U.N. also wants to have a say in how our country is governed..Hilary said that we should govern ourselves based on "international opinion" I shudder at either entity have a say.
We should withdraw from the UN, NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA and all treaties except maybe NATO (Russia's recent militarism needs to have a strong alliance to keep it in check.)

Of course, Hillary is also of the view that "We are going to take stuff from you to make you better off," which makes absolutely no fucking sense except to idiots on the left.
 

Anotheroldephart

Well-Known Member
And if someone came in and forcefully took your home you'd have just that attitude ... "spoils of war" ... yeah ... you'd pat your aggressors on the back and said ... you win take my home ... it's your "spoils of war" ... and walk away a happy person, because it fits your twisted believe system ... right?:spew:

And while your making all these side tracks and kissing each others ass about "spoils of war" ... no one has yet to explain why Israel can ignore all the UN resolutions yet the US and Israel use the UN resolutions as an excuse for their illegal war (s)... why is that?:?:
I suppose if you were attacked ,fought back, kicked their asses and gained a security boundary, that you'd give it back and walk away? As for the "U.N. resolutions, aren't you forgetting that the U.N. has also passed a resolution calling for Hamas to stop the rockets? Why aren't you outraged by that?
Are you expecting us to believe that if it were you under attack that you'd do nothing because the fire bases, which are deliberately placed in schools, mosques, and hospitals, not respond in kind? i don't agree with the massive fire power, but Israel has the right to respond.
Since you seem to have the answers, how would YOU handle it? Oh yeah, your opposition wants to eliminate you from existence..
 

GrowRebel

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I suppose if you were attacked ,fought back, kicked their asses and gained a security boundary, that you'd give it back and walk away? As for the "U.N. resolutions, aren't you forgetting that the U.N. has also passed a resolution calling for Hamas to stop the rockets? Why aren't you outraged by that?
Are you expecting us to believe that if it were you under attack that you'd do nothing because the fire bases, which are deliberately placed in schools, mosques, and hospitals, not respond in kind? i don't agree with the massive fire power, but Israel has the right to respond.
Since you seem to have the answers, how would YOU handle it? Oh yeah, your opposition wants to eliminate you from existence..
What total bullshit ... don't play like Israel was an innocent bystander attacked first ... and making up excuses to overlook war crimes don't fly either ... and there is nothing other than what the US and Israel stated that others what to eliminate them ... that just more bullshit you fell for ... :sleep: ... and you still haven't answered the question ... why is it alright for Israel to violate the UN resolutions ... and let see the violations list of Hamas so we can compare ... :-P
 
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