Israel say's no Palestine, ever.

Should the US support Israel?

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Red1966

Red1966

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Jimdamick said:
Well, it seems that you were the one that called the Jews greedy. I never said that, so where did it come from?. Oh, that's right, they came from your big mouth. Is that the first thing you think of when somebody mentions a Jew? Apparently it is, so next time I would think twice before using the words "greedy Jew" in a sentence, unless you are quoting somebody that actually said it.
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Like after your tirade about a the Jews you thought twice and tried to pretend any observation of the bigotry in your statements was merely a misperception on our part? You claim I'm both Jewish and anti-Jew. Clearly, you're both a liar and an idiot.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
the dudes my friend and it was an awesome post..you know, friend? something you have not any of.
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If you define "awesome" as "demonizing those who disagree with me".............."not any of" = repeatedly pointing out your citations contradict what you claim they say
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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H R Puff N Stuff said:
palistine wants a recognized state isreal does not because now they would be protectected by the UN and isreal or palistine would be sanctioned if they did not listen or maybe palistine or isreal would get removed by the UN and loose there recognition by the UN.
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There is no Palestine. Consult a map. Israel isn't going anywhere, for a lot of valid reasons. One state is all that's left.

Can't spin back the clock and start over, which is basically what the two state camp wants. Today's reality points to a single state with universal suffrage... or continued apartheid, which I don't want my tax dollars paying for- nevermind paying off our weapons makers to make more weapons and use them to kill innocent people, no matter what their religion or origin.
 
H R Puff N Stuff

H R Puff N Stuff

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ttystikk said:
There is no Palestine. Consult a map. Israel isn't going anywhere, for a lot of valid reasons. One state is all that's left.

Can't spin back the clock and start over, which is basically what the two state camp wants. Today's reality points to a single state with universal suffrage... or continued apartheid, which I don't want my tax dollars paying for- nevermind paying off our weapons makers to make more weapons and use them to kill innocent people, no matter what their religion or origin.
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at one time there was no isreal either.so whats your point.the reality is there will be a palistinian state america cannot continue to look the other way.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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H R Puff N Stuff said:
at one time there was no isreal either.so whats your point.the reality is there will be a palistinian state america cannot continue to look the other way.
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Whose 'reality?' The one we can see, touch and watch our tax dollars get spent on is that there is not a Palestinian state.

My point is that as things actually ARE, as opposed to how they 'will be' in some pundit's talk show spin machine, the best way for people to get what they need from their government is to be allowed to join it. That would be why, for example, conservatives across THIS country are routinely attempting to make it harder/impossible for the poor and disenfranchised to actually gain the ability to vote- which is exercising a right they should already have. I'll bet in your reality, they do and that's close enough.

Back to Israel; Netanyahu warned that 'arabs are voting in droves' in an apparent attempt to galvanize his base of support. It worked- which to me is proof enough of the broad public support of bigoted policies the Israeli government has been following for decades. Only by challenging this from within the Knesset will Arabs- Palestinian or not- have any chance of affecting the direction of Israeli policy and with it the use of force.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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This rift is likely political theater. Being created to give America some political fall back points when Israel unilaterally strikes Iran and then the retaliation 'forces' the hand of America to save Israel.

The Brookings Institute wrote a policy paper describing this as the politically feasible solution to attack Iran. They wrote a lot of other scenarios too, it's pretty interesting.

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2009/6/iran-strategy/06_iran_strategy.pdf

You can read here if you want. It was published in 2009.
 
H R Puff N Stuff

H R Puff N Stuff

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ttystikk said:
Whose 'reality?' The one we can see, touch and watch our tax dollars get spent on is that there is not a Palestinian state.

My point is that as things actually ARE, as opposed to how they 'will be' in some pundit's talk show spin machine, the best way for people to get what they need from their government is to be allowed to join it. That would be why, for example, conservatives across THIS country are routinely attempting to make it harder/impossible for the poor and disenfranchised to actually gain the ability to vote- which is exercising a right they should already have. I'll bet in your reality, they do and that's close enough.

Back to Israel; Netanyahu warned that 'arabs are voting in droves' in an apparent attempt to galvanize his base of support. It worked- which to me is proof enough of the broad public support of bigoted policies the Israeli government has been following for decades. Only by challenging this from within the Knesset will Arabs- Palestinian or not- have any chance of affecting the direction of Israeli policy and with it the use of force.
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isreal is not their government thats the point. that might be what isreal wants to rule over them but eventually thier will be two states.and you assume to much about me.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/netanyahus-spying-denials-contradicted-by-secret-nsa-documents/#.VRf88hf-Lg6

Interesting piece by Glenn Greenwald.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday vehemently denied a Wall Street Journalreport, leaked by the Obama White House, that Israel spied on U.S. negotiations with Iran and then fed the intelligence to Congressional Republicans. His office’s denial was categorical and absolute, extending beyond this specific story to U.S.-targeted spying generally, claiming: “The state of Israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or Israel’s other allies.”
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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H R Puff N Stuff said:
isreal is not their government thats the point. that might be what isreal wants to rule over them but eventually thier will be two states.and you assume to much about me.
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How does a government become a persons government anyway? Is it assigned to you?


I think there should be lots more governments...billions of them. The default position should be that every individual is their own government . If that is incorrect and you can't chose that, how is every person not a subservient subject with their status determined by others?
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
Whose 'reality?' The one we can see, touch and watch our tax dollars get spent on is that there is not a Palestinian state.

My point is that as things actually ARE, as opposed to how they 'will be' in some pundit's talk show spin machine, the best way for people to get what they need from their government is to be allowed to join it. That would be why, for example, conservatives across THIS country are routinely attempting to make it harder/impossible for the poor and disenfranchised to actually gain the ability to vote- which is exercising a right they should already have. I'll bet in your reality, they do and that's close enough.

Back to Israel; Netanyahu warned that 'arabs are voting in droves' in an apparent attempt to galvanize his base of support. It worked- which to me is proof enough of the broad public support of bigoted policies the Israeli government has been following for decades. Only by challenging this from within the Knesset will Arabs- Palestinian or not- have any chance of affecting the direction of Israeli policy and with it the use of force.
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they totally try to supress the vote in florida and it's such an insult..yet that freak gets RE-elected$$$$$$$$.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Rob Roy said:
How does a government become a persons government anyway? Is it assigned to you?


I think there should be lots more governments...billions of them. The default position should be that every individual is their own government . If that is incorrect and you can't chose that, how is every person not a subservient subject with their status determined by others?
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Because we're all slaves who are being raped.
 
D528

D528

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we need to stop giving the 51st state money . Fucking broke as beggars. Thats all they are. They stand on the corner in a land wiht no attachment to them and with multipul legs and cant stand up yet they yell , "Brother can you spare a d.i.m.e." . They love to lkill u.s. people like Rachell Corey and steal , spy and kill u.s. soildiers .They need to stop training u.s. police thta treta us all like Palestinians now. .israel does not speak for all jews. israel got some isil love for sure. The u.s. was voted the number one threats to world piece. With buddies like Israel wouldnt ya know it. lol. Israel isnt even a allie. Show me the treaty making it so ........i know 377 congressman that should be fired for thier israel love. Why are u.s. tax payers paying for israel elections ? fuck the aparthied state. i know who the real terrorist are ! The F.B.I. calls the JDL terrorist for a reason !

 
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