It just keeps getting worse each grow - same strain

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Robogreen

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would it be switch to soil from coco?
growing from clones vs seeds?
room with white walls vs tent?

1 st grow from seeds in coco viperspectra 1200 LED in 4x4 tent 10oz 6 plants
2nd grow from clones from above in coco " " 7.5 oz 6 plants
3 rd grow from 2 yr old seeds from above re-vegged in soil " in 6 x 3.5 room white walls 5.5 oz 10 plants
4th grow from clones from above above re-vegged in soil+topped 1200 viperspectra+SF1000 spiderF LED - in 6x.35 room white room 8 oz 7 plants


Going forward whats my next move?
Dump the strain try new from seeds?

Thanks
 
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Robogreen

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.Smoke said:
It's not the strain.
You need more light.
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I had actually added a spider farms sf1000 LED to my existing Viparspectra 1200 LED ( I used all along) on this the last grow in the same sq. ft space to no avail. Unless it is likely my viperspectra LED is fading out after only 4 grows. No burned out LEDS, still draws the same currant as when new.
 
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.Smoke

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Robogreen said:
I had actually added a spider farms sf1000 LED to my existing Viparspectra 1200 LED ( I used all along) on this the last grow in the same sq. ft space to no avail. Unless it is likely my viperspectra LED is fading out after only 4 grows. No burned out LEDS, still draws the same currant as when new.
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Your room is 21sqft. You need 30w per sq. ft. Minimum for led which means you need 630 actual watts of light for your space.
Your lights are pulling 100 watts from the wall. Not 1000 and 1200 like they claim.

You have 200-220w of light.
You need more....
 
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Robogreen

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.Smoke said:
Your room is 21sqft. You need 30w per sq. ft. Minimum for led which means you need 630 actual watts of light for your space.
Your lights are pulling 100 watts from the wall. Not 1000 and 1200 like they claim.

You have 200-220w of light.
You need more....
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I have 650 act watts . my viperspectra 1200 is actuall 550w and Spider farms is actuall 100w draw
 
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Robogreen

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go go kid said:
never go by thestated wattage on led lights, its an equivalrent estimation against a 400watt sodium light. allways look at how much power it uses from the wall and you will see thatyour only getting 220-230 watsof actual light
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I have 650 act watts . my viperspectra 1200 is actuall 550w and Spider farms is actuall 100w draw
 
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twentyeight.threefive

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Pics of grow? Any training? Environment?

If you have sufficient light and environment is on point, then it's grower error. Watering practices, feeding properly, and general care are huge variables in final yield.

My advice would be to stick with one medium and figure out why it isn't working. Coco and soil are completely different so giving up on one and moving to another isn't going to help you learn.

I personally love coco, and it's very easy once you learn how to care for your plants with it. There is a ton of misinformation on cannabis growing online. In the end your results will equal the amount of work you put in, much like any other skill. Good luck.
 
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Robogreen

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twentyeight.threefive said:
Pics of grow? Any training? Environment?

If you have sufficient light and environment is on point, then it's grower error. Watering practices, feeding properly, and general care are huge variables in final yield.

My advice would be to stick with one medium and figure out why it isn't working. Coco and soil are completely different so giving up on one and moving to another isn't going to help you learn.

I personally love coco, and it's very easy once you learn how to care for your plants with it. There is a ton of misinformation on cannabis growing online. In the end your results will equal the amount of work you put in, much like any other skill. Good luck.
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Pics show dried and ready to jar and just before harvest. Plenty of bud, just too small.

strain = hells fire 4th grow
training= re-vegged, topped from clones
fox farms ocean soil supplemented cal mag - seaweed and with nutrients 1/2 strength added after 4 weeks and FF PK booster trio during flower
6 x3.5' room w/ white walls
temps avg 78 hum 20 to 35% till last few weeks temps hit 83 ~84
plants rotated daily - watered daily
550w LED light and supplemented with Spider farms 100w LED
humidifier added

1st grow ( the best) hells fire
original grow from seeds
no training just some bending
in coco, no PK boosters , just cal mag w/ nutrients
4x4 tent
same high 83 temps but low humidity 20%
plants not rotated
same 550w LED light no supplemental light - no humidifier


I upper my game on this last grow (4th) but results less then my very first grow.

thanks for looking. Help
 

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RadicalRoss

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Your humidity is crazy low, especially with rather high temps like that. Buy a humidifier.

I just had trash returns on my last 4x4 grow, starting to suspect it's my low humidity that caused me issues. I was running closer to 88 F and 40% rh though.

eta: I'm basing this on the VPD chart

vpdchart.com

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twentyeight.threefive

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Robogreen said:
Exactly 6 wks and 3 days every grow. Trichromes are cloudy. Very potent. Every time.
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There's a ton of your problem right there. You are chopping extremely early. Nothing is done in 6 weeks of flower.

Also your first grow, the best, had abysmal humidity. Would look to improve on training, LST, spread them out better. Also fix that humidity issue
 
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