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Can you do hempy in flood and drain? The flood and drain would be something i could build. Seems like a simple thing to build if you have the right peices

How would i go hydro not on dwc? :s

I really like the dwc idea.. And if it can work with the lucas formula id like to do it. Ive never had a power out in my lifetime longer then a hour. Like half and hour max

i was thinking just 1 large air stone in each reservoir

it would be better for me cuz i could jusy drain the sink and fill with the tap. It would work better for the enviroment that im in


like i can make sure with the temps, ppm, ph.. And lucas seems like itll work great.. Ive seen some dwc dnd results with the lucas and it looked like fire

inlovewiththc said:

Can you do hempy in flood and drain? The flood and drain would be something i could build. Seems like a simple thing to build if you have the right peices

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Hempy is another kind of watering system. I don't understand what you're asking.

How would i go hydro not on dwc? :s

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What?

inlovewiththc said:

I really like the dwc idea.. And if it can work with the lucas formula id like to do it. Ive never had a power out in my lifetime longer then a hour. Like half and hour max

i was thinking just 1 large air stone in each reservoir

it would be better for me cuz i could jusy drain the sink and fill with the tap. It would work better for the enviroment that im in


like i can make sure with the temps, ppm, ph.. And lucas seems like itll work great.. Ive seen some dwc dnd results with the lucas and it looked like fire

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You asked for my advice. I've given it to you. You can ignore it if you like.

Good luck.

Spoken like a true og

Yu kno to be honest. I think i have enough knowledge to make systems. Im guna play the grow game now and c which is best. Il post

I've been growing dope for more than 25 years. I've been running hydro ops for 20 years and doing Sea of Green for about 17 years. If you can think of a way to fuck up a grow op, there's a pretty good chance I've committed that particular fuckup (and perhaps a few you haven't yet considered).

If what you want to do is successfully grow dope, I can tell you how to do so frugally, with reasonable investment and how to avoid common pitfalls. Also, given I have had to live with running grow ops for a couple of decades now, I have a lot to say about ease of operating and maintaining them. There's no reason to work harder than you have to; systems can be designed to make your life easy- or hard. Systems can be designed to limit the potential for failures, or they can be (poorly) designed such that they are fiddly nuisances which are such a pain in the ass to run that they're likely to put you off growing dope for life.

The 'Get a harvest every 2 weeks' thread is the summation of everything I'd learned up to about 2007 or so. There's been a few tweaks to the process since, but nothing fundamental. Even the first post in that thread is a fairly good blueprint for how to crank out lots & lots of buds at reasonable expense in a fairly small area (about the size of a car parking space).

If you genuinely want information or advice, I'm happy to provide them. However, if you have a preconceived notion of what you want to do or are looking for validation of something you're already doing, please don't waste my time- or yours. If what you have your mind set on is not supported by the facts, you're very likely not going to be happy with my comments.

I get that ebb and flow probly is the best way to go. But i like dwc so i want to design a dwc sog. What would b the risks? Besides power failure?

It would be the same 2k w lights but in a 8x8 tent

inlovewiththc said:

I get that ebb and flow probly is the best way to go. But i like dwc so i want to design a dwc sog. What would b the risks? Besides power failure?

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DWC is OK for small numbers of plants. SoG relies on a large number of small plants. A DWC SoG op would be complex and difficult to maintain. Complexity breeds problems and difficult maintenance leads to poor maintenance, which leads to failed grows.

DWC does get more oxygen to the roots but the productivity difference between that & a flood system, especially when the potential for problems is considered, is negligible.

Good luck.

I would have thought a dwc was less work considering the fact that its just an air stone in a res.

Al B. Fuct said:

pH jumping up is usually a pretty reliable indicator of pathogen infection in the rootmass. 9.5 is out of the ballpark. Don't adjust pH of water before mixing with nutes. 5.5 is too low, in any instance. The magic number for pH in hydroponics is 5.8. Make sure your pH meter is not lying to you. Calibrate your pH meter before EACH use, employing reference standard 4.0 & 7.0 solutions. Colour-matching pH test kits are not suitable for hydroponics. If you don't have one, get a good pH meter. Eutech's meters are reliable and durable. Their pH Tester 10 is a good 'un.

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I guess H2O2 will do the trick... Are you still putting 10 ml/ L of H2O2 in your reservoir when you make a new batch?

Although ph is high, growth isn't slowed, well at least not yet. Tips of new growth show no signs, look great, maybe it was my rockwool treatment


Any helpful tips on flushing or treating loose rockwool, I followed your info on treating the cubes and grodans with how to stabilize the ph of their product. Maybe I missed a step somewhere


I'm using my cloning tent for my seedlings... Temps 80 F +-2 40 RH, Do you think they need more humidity?


I have read all your threads for the past two years anonymously until the hurricane that tore threw the states... Rollitup and GrassCity, I finally built it.. Still making modifications, but I'm at the start of my SOG journey Al B style


Bohdi seeds Goji OG, Head trip, Dream lotus,
Rockwool mothers 400 watt HPS 2x4 tray
4-2x4 trays with STG and 2" of rockwool under 2-1000 watt
Clone tent T5 6bulb 343 watt- ( I know it's to much compared to the 18 watt flouros )And all the accesories..40 mm of course


Plants I have growing now are to practice 40 mm cubes and loose rockwool and hopefully get some clone practice and flowering practice. No magic sauces or tricks up my sleeve Al B, plain and simple how you have outlined it....


Thanks a bunch for the fast track of knowledge from your 17 years of hard work it's almost not fair, but the information age is what we are living in.. Thanks Al B

Have you visited Breedbay forum?

inlovewiththc said:

I would have thought a dwc was less work considering the fact that its just an air stone in a res.

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What do you think is easier, turning a couple of valves to pump out a single res for a flood system, cleaning it & mixing up new sauce in it- or removing EACH plant from EACH bucket, dumping, cleaning & renewing the solns?

DWC is simply not practical for SoG.

Adrive said:

I guess H2O2 will do the trick... Are you still putting 10 ml/ L of H2O2 in your reservoir when you make a new batch?

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No, and I never have done that. The only recommendation I've ever given for 10ml/L of 50% grade H2O2 is as a once-off shock treatment for heavily pathogen loaded systems.

Although ph is high, growth isn't slowed, well at least not yet. Tips of new growth show no signs, look great, maybe it was my rockwool treatment

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Unless you have a control plant that's running in the correct pH, you won't have much clue as to whether the one/s in the wrong pH are slow or not.

Any helpful tips on flushing or treating loose rockwool, I followed your info on treating the cubes and grodans with how to stabilize the ph of their product. Maybe I missed a step somewhere

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Cubes should be soaked for 24hrs before use. However, it's messy & impractical to soak RW floc for a day before use. It's generally sufficient to top flood floc with plain water with 2x the volume of the pot of floc before plugging plants in it

I'm using my cloning tent for my seedlings... Temps 80 F +-2 40 RH, Do you think they need more humidity?

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30-50% RH will do for seedlings.

I have read all your threads for the past two years anonymously until the hurricane that tore threw the states... Rollitup and GrassCity, I finally built it.. Still making modifications, but I'm at the start of my SOG journey Al B style

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op... op... oppan Al B style! (somebody alert Mr Psy... )

Bohdi seeds Goji OG, Head trip, Dream lotus,
Rockwool mothers 400 watt HPS 2x4 tray
4-2x4 trays with STG and 2" of rockwool under 2-1000 watt
Clone tent T5 6bulb 343 watt- ( I know it's to much compared to the 18 watt flouros )And all the accesories..40 mm of course


Plants I have growing now are to practice 40 mm cubes and loose rockwool and hopefully get some clone practice and flowering practice. No magic sauces or tricks up my sleeve Al B, plain and simple how you have outlined it....


Thanks a bunch for the fast track of knowledge from your 17 years of hard work it's almost not fair, but the information age is what we are living in.. Thanks Al B

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Sounds good- and thanks for the thanks.

Have you visited Breedbay forum?

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No, I haven't.

Al B. Fuct said:

What do you think is easier, turning a couple of valves to pump out a single res for a flood system, cleaning it & mixing up new sauce in it- or removing EACH plant from EACH bucket, dumping, cleaning & renewing the solns?


DWC is simply not practical for SoG.

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Nvmm! I c how the flood table would be less work. I dont want to use a valve because im in an apartment. So il use a siphon to the bathroom sink to drain the rez. i like the idea now of just using 1 big res for each 2 weeks.

like just 4 res only in the 8x8 tent 2K hps.

question is now what medium should i use and how many plants above the res?

im going to make a diy flood and drain. The goal is cut a p every 2 weeks

If its possible id like to to harvest 35 cuts every 2 weeks (7x5 rows of clones on the flood table) . hoping for half o per clone. the flood and drain way. and 35 in a 3.5x3.5 area. ( guna need room to work in my tent too)

Al, i have just started your OP and ive noticed algae has started a little bit I put 1.7ml/l of H202 in the tank however it seems to be an on going process.
Ilm just guessing its because i dont have the flood trays covered with any plastic yet. mybe not applying H202 enough?

ringlead3r said:

Al, i have just started your OP and ive noticed algae has started a little bit I put 1.7ml/l of H202 in the tank however it seems to be an on going process. Ilm just guessing its because i dont have the flood trays covered with any plastic yet. mybe not applying H202 enough?

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Depends upon where the algae is forming; a bit of it on the media tops isn't really a big deal- gloppy handsful of it in the tanks is another story. Algae won't generally interfere with your plants (algae is a plant and is nibbling some of the food you're feeding your cannabis plants), but it is an ugly nuisance. Algae needs light and water to grow; block light and it will slow down considerably. Depriving algae of moisture will slow it down, too. Fully covering the media tops isn't a great idea as you'll form a moisture trap that can encourage really problematic microbes like pythium & fusarium. It takes a fairly stiff dose of H2O2 to kill algae; spraying it directly with a 10ml/L 50% grade H2O2 solution ought to do it. Also, flooding trays to only about 25mm will lessen the amount of moisture available on the media tops, making conditions there less hospitable for algae. If you have algae forming on the res tank walls, when you're changing nute solns, you can spray the walls with a VERY strong H2O2 soln (20ml 50% grade H2O2 in 100ml water with 1 drop (0.5ml) liquid dish soap as a wetting agent), rinse fully & drain before refilling tanks.

My problem is on the bottom of the fill tray due to the fact about 5% of water actually dont drain out algea will slowly build over 2weeks with barely anything in the res at the 2 week mark

ringlead3r said:

My problem is on the bottom of the fill tray due to the fact about 5% of water actually dont drain out algea will slowly build over 2weeks with barely anything in the res at the 2 week mark

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raise the back of your flood tray so all the water drains?

ringlead3r said:

My problem is on the bottom of the fill tray due to the fact about 5% of water actually dont drain out algea will slowly build over 2weeks with barely anything in the res at the 2 week mark

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Ah, OK. Assuming the tray is level and on a proper tray stand, which allows the middle of the tray to sag just a bit to permit proper drainage, you might consider replacing the tray fill/drain fittings with PPI style bits (see http://www.greensea-hydroponics.co.uk/shop/flood-drain-fittings.html), which fit very close to flush with the floor of the tray. Should solve the problem.

doniawon said:

raise the back of your flood tray so all the water drains?

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Square trays with centre drains (almost all of them) should be level. Some very large rectangular trays have fill/drain fittings on one end- those can be propped up about 13mm on the end opposite the fill/drain fittings to assure full drainage.