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fandango

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Cloning in rock wool,

thanks Al....just read the thread again.
my clones were to wet for awhile,they set under a dome(high desert air here)average temps summer time 75-95 farienheit(sp)
I spray inside the dome several times aday.some cubes rw are moist than I dip a corner in water.No roots after 12 days?should I make a solution of 1/4 strength nutes to promote roots that may be in the middle of the rock wool?
 

xtract44

Member
Just wanted to pipe in and say the only time i have EVER had problems with my roots was when I decided to try the whole Molasses thing about 2 years ago. They got nice and slimy...I drained the res took all the babies and washed the roots in the sink. Molasses was some of the worst advice I ever applied from the internet...
 

hxvoc

Active Member
anyone know the minimum dosage for the 29% h202? My res is beautiful and ive been using it a different dosages. The bottle says 3 ml per gallon then add to res every 3 days. But al's dosage calls for alot more than that if im not mistaken. Anyone have any input?
 

mountainboy

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Al I know your away for a bit, But I have a few questions. I know you dont use hydroton, but you are the most knowledgeable person on this site IMO. So just a few questions before I start my grow.

1. I am using GH 3 part nutes,E&F in hydroton 6x6in.sq pots,4x4 table,1000w hps. Well rooted clones going str8 to 12/12. I am unsure of what strength to start at, thought you might have some ideas. I was going to use the seedling/cutting strength but I want to go str8 to 12/12.

2. I'm not even sure if this is a question you can answer with out knowing more info, but I'll find out from your reply...lol, as I am growing in hydroton only, should I expect to flood newly transplanted clones more often. Say for the first week or so after transplanting. These clones are from a bubble clonner and used to alot of water so I dont want to shock them. Any thoughts and comments are appreciated.
 

hxvoc

Active Member
i Have almost the same thing in the works mountainboy, Im running a 3x3 with 600 hps. I am wondering about these things as well. When i moved new cuttings into flower i think i wasnt flooding enough and the roots dried out causing slowth growth initially. Eager to see what Al says about this.
 

Bigz2277

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Al uses the 50% h202, so if your using the same doses as him your fine, could step it up a bit and be ok as well.
 

Gyroscope

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anyone know the minimum dosage for the 29% h202? My res is beautiful and ive been using it a different dosages. The bottle says 3 ml per gallon then add to res every 3 days. But al's dosage calls for alot more than that if im not mistaken. Anyone have any input?
We answered this for you 2 weeks ago...

does anyone know the formula to get the correct odosage of h202? I can only get 29% in my area. trying to keep the same dosage as AL has been using
If I am not mistaken, I think he usually recommends 1.7ml per Liter for your strength.
50/29=1.7241379310344827586206896551724ml/L ;)
 

hxvoc

Active Member
Yes that is true, just wasnt sure if what the bottle recommended was ok for weekly doses. Thanks guys, sorry for the mix up. workin on getting some 35% h202 by the mad farmer. my local store only carries the 1 liters for 15 bucks and there ripping my nuts off.
 

tyler.durden

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Goddamn, man! Those are some beautiful plants and even nicer buds. Is there any veg time at all, or do you go 12/12 right from clone? The only strain I have that gets that tall is NY-47, my Trainwreck, OG Kush and NL #5 only get about 10 inches or so from clone with no veg. Great job, thanks for sharing...
 

tyler.durden

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Hey, Al! I hope all is well these days. I run a sog set up patterned after yours (I've read all your threads, thanks for all the great info!), but mine is scaled down; 4 - 3x2 trays holding 22 plants each under a pair of Sun Systems Magnum XXXLs air-cooled hoods using Digilux 600w HPS bulbs. Got a hanging panda mom tent in the corner with 12 moms of 4 different strains. I use a 36 site aero-cloner, and take the best 22 every to weeks. I use perlite with mini-rockwool cubes packed at the bottom in my 5.5 inch square pots. After I pot my newly rooted clones, I leave them in the bedroom to make sure they get over the transplant shock and make sure they're standing tall and taking up the nute solution before I put them under the HPS in the flowering room. The problem is that most of them wilt under the HPS for the first few days before they get used to the environment. The HPS is about 2 feet away, but the wilting issue persists. The room temp is between 72 to 78 max (air-conditioned now, it's summer in the States ;)) and humidity hovers between 45 - 55%. Any advice to help with the wilting? It scares me, and I've lost a less-hearty little girl here and there...
 

Taurich

Member
Hey Al

I'm using an adaptation of your SoG method
I've only got two flower tents (1.25m x 1.25m, 1000w HPS each), a separate box with a 400w MH, and a propagation box (some fluro's)
Currently I'm doing it like this

Prop Box (24/0):
  • 3 weeks -> Move to veg box
Veg box (24/0):
  • 2 weeks -> Move to empty tent
Tents (12/12):
  • Clones taken on day of move -> prop box
  • Bottom 1/3-1/2 of plant trimmed
  • 10 weeks - alternating with other tent to be 5 weeks apart.

This allows me to harvest every 5 weeks. At time of harvest I have a fresh batch of healthy, robust plants about 16-20 inches high ready to go in the now empty tent. The harvested bud is manicured and dries in darkness in the veg box, ventilated with a few computer fans. The veg box is turned off for up to 3 weeks, allowing for ample time to dry the bud.

The plants get about 4-4.5ft high with a mild touch of PGR, but I would like to get rid of this additive if possible. Currently I am using 4 inch rockwool cubes in flood and drain. Running 20 in each tent but could fit more. Not sure of the output tbh because I've only just started doing it like this, the last grow was 6 plants that had been topped to 4-5 main heads each, made about 10-11oz. I was running canna nutes, a touch of calmag (I'm on tankwater), a little of the PGR, and this stuff a mate gave me called liquid lead (it's supposed to be some sort of yield enhancer. It was given to me so I figured might as well. I'll use it until it runs out and then see how the harvests turn out without it)
Now I'm looking to improve on yield any way I can, as well as decrease my harvest time to 4 weeks if possible. My strains are sour kush and ak48, and require a fairly long bloom time for the amber trichs to appear so I have to keep it to 10 weeks flowering.

This setup I have is a bit stretchy tbh, the plants get tall. I thought I could adjust the timer on my veg box to be 12/12 and become a preflower box, hopefully the blue spectrum from the MH should inhibit some stretch, and this would also cut the time in the flower tent to 8 weeks instead of 10 ie, 4 week harvest instead of 5. The downside of this is that to fit the new schedule I would have to reduce the prop box time to 2 weeks, and as the plants have 3 weeks less growth at cloning they might be too small to support the abuse. I'm trying to avoid flip-flipping the plants from veg to flower and back to veg here, but I don't really know anything about cloning so maybe I'm doing the wrong thing, is it better to wait a week into flowering before taking the clones? There's a lot of confusing information on the subject, I really don't know.
The main goal here is to eliminate PGR use altogether, as well as use the equipment I have in some useful fashion (MH lamp), also I don't like the idea of having to maintain a mother plant

I'd also like to ask you about CO2. Is it practical? I'm in Australia and have limited resources. I'd rather not be messing about with complex automated valve systems and expensive bulky cylinders. I'd also like something a bit more reliable than a bucket of yeast. I was thinking of dry ice, but I don't know where to source it, and I'm concerned about the cooling effect it will have on the air as I understand you want higher air temps with CO2. Also I'd like something that won't kill me or the dog if possible, any ideas?

Speaking of Australia, I would absolutely love to get my hands on some of that STG you've been using. How's that been working out by the way? Have you got any clue where I can source it over here? Neither google or their website were any help, and I'm sick and tired of this rockwool crap. Desperate for a quality medium like STG.

Now the obligatory voodoo question, I know that blue light inhibits stretch, and red light promotes flowering, is there any practical use to supplemental LED's? I'm talking like maybe 1-200w of LED in a strip (I could DIY that with chinese eBay LED's) somewhere in the tent, just for an added boost in an appropriate point in the spectrum. I mean I haven't done any costing or anything so it could be wildly impractical, but setting price aside would there be any use to doing something like this in conjunction with the lights I already have?

Oh and I have it on good authority that if I sacrifice a goat on winter solstice while dancing the macarana I can expect to double my yield, thought on the subject?

Thanks for all your help :)
 

reggaerican

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so what if I only have hydrogen peroxide 3% should I dump the whole frickn 16oz bottle in my 30 gal rez??
I will try to go buy the 50% but what if I dont find it..
I need help and fast. I lost one plant already and I fear the rest are close behind..
 
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