Heard that. Some people think Apollo-13 is merely myth & legend. Have had JC and Apollo-13, & loved 'em from the get go. Currently growing A-13 & JC, & Jack The Ripper too! Urkle is, and always will be a top favorite, as it is extremely mold & mildew resistant, looks, smells & tastes great!; like grape nehi, or good grape candy; & its for sure to be in every one of my runs. Subcool is the man! Just one sample of his gear, & anybody should know they have met a Master of the Art of Cannabis cultivation; (damn, the best I've ever had the honor & priveledge of knowing). Question not, his methods, tactics or techniques, for they indeed work. Worked great for me as a first time grower, I know it would work for anybody. Subcool is a Teacher, par excellence, but only if people will listen-up in class. Love you Sub P.S.- Perhaps some things really are just myth & legend, but Subcool is not; he is the real deal. A better Icon could not be found for that we love so much.