Jack's Old Time Haze

The boar sounds great! Glad it was worth it...My folks get to snag their deer from their sliding glass door of their place...that's some ADA accessible hunting!

How did the girls hold up in your absence?

wonderfully. Jack is slowly but surely pushing out pistils. There's 4-6 at each bud-site so far. It's still growing vertical height too. I had to move branches as soon as I got home. The SnS Diesel is much frostier than the last set now that I've got the PK + Sweet + CO2 pumping. I also picked up 2 more timers so I can have the fans cut off more precisely around the times the CO2 is pumping.

My tall diesels are already spiraling buds around the stem. The 707-Headband looks like it'll produce pretty lightly at this point. Blue dreams have done well. Flower density is picking up. A month yet to go on the fast burners, we'll see how they progress this week. Jack is still 12 weeks out. Jeebus, that's a long time.

I'm going to pick up a half dozen GDP clones today and get them into veg for a month.

I tapered up the PK spike from 1ml/gal to 6ml/gal and the plants didn't even seem to twitch... no signs of over nuting. I'm considering upping the strength of my nutes by 15%. Don't know about that though. They're not going to eat what's excessive of their need and I don't want to waste 5 bottles of ferts at 20 bucks a bottle.

More pics:

Blue Dream Cola, 3 weeks flowering completed


SnS Diesel, single cola, 3 weeks flowering completed


SnS Diesel 4 weeks flowering completed:


Macro flower shot of Jacks Old Time Haze 4 weeks flowering completed.


Wide shot of Jack. It's still getting bigger.


Wide shot of the Diesels

Very nice, subed.

And the Jack's is off to the races! Wow man, that thing is out of control. What is it, 11 more weeks of stretching? Good god...

The other girls are looking really nice as well.

Do you think that the Jacks will get way too big if it get enough CO2?

thats one scraggly ass haze man.... even moreso then most haze hybridz you see now a days

theexpress said:

thats one scraggly ass haze man.... even moreso then most haze hybridz you see now a days

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that is because its not a hybrid...

The Ruiner said:

that is because its not a hybrid...

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yes..... like i already have said...... thats a 100% pure sativa... good luck

theexpress said:

thats a 100% pure sativa... good luck

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but it's a hybrid too.
"Haze is a four-way hybrid of some of the finest narrow-leaf tropicals that the world has ever known (Mexico, Colombia, S. India, Thailand), so the legend goes."

"Hybrid" in the modern cannabis oriented use would suggest to me an indica/sativa mix, not a pure sativa or a pure indica (both are extremely rare anyway). A mix of some or all of those 4 classics is the best clue I've gotten so far as far as the genetic lineage but there's precious little info available other than visible traits. It's definitely not going to be any pure single wild geno after all this time but it's definitely what I think of as a fairly primitive sativa. I could see calling it a bred strain but not a "hybrid". At best it's the bastard child of 4 really similar land-race pure-breeds. I think that "hybrid" in the quote above was someone's poor word choice a long time ago. I wonder how many e-arguments that's caused.

express: yeah, it should look a bit scraggly. I take no offense. It was LST'd a good bit so I could try and keep it under 10ft tall. It's got 8 weeks of stretch left on it too. It'll keep filling out but honestly I'd be really happy if it'd stop growing so fast. 2-4" per day in places. One day alone one of the branches grew like 6". I swear you can almost watch it get taller. I've done some other strains with indica in them and they're way way easier. This plant takes a lot of work.

Ruiner: I started running CO2 a week or so ago and I can see a big difference in all my plants. Jack got to business with the pistil production and started filling out the lower branches with the added CO2. I'd say if you're running indoor and a pure haze, some level of CO2 augmentation would be a good idea. My 5x5 room got pretty skinny on CO2 with all that green mass in there. If nothing else a fermentation bucket or a baking soda / vinegar hit or if you can scrape the 400 bones a real bottle kit. I run my kit 4 times a day for 15 minutes a shot and it seems to have made a big difference. Leaves point up instead of at right angles to the plant. Jack on the other hand can't seem to support the length of its leaves under really any circumstances. They're healthy but they don't really stand straight up. Given the length:width ratio, no surprise there.

Oh... BTW, I dropped 2 Casey Jones clones and 2 Purple Kush OG clones into the veg cabinet last night. They're going to be in there a month or 2 probably. I want to try and grow these 4 in 5 gallon buckets with coco/perlite and see if they do better with 5 gallons of their own media instead of sharing 20-25 gallons between 2,4,9,etc... plants. I also want to do these up more traditionally instead of LST and all that jazz. I may have to make one of them a mother though unless a buddy of mine comes through with a couple other strains I've been looking for.

Goddamned fucking club clones. Man those things piss me off sometimes.

I broke my own bloody rule about treating clones for fungus and bug imaginable as soon as I got them home and left them for a day. My mistake. I'm now treating the very beginnings of powdery mildew on my flowering set. Musta gotten some spores on myself while I was transplanting the clones to starter pots. Thankfully I've still got almost a month of flower time to get them clean. I use a permethrin soap on them for it. Permethrin isn't necessarily an anti-fungal but the soap I use has a pH of 8 so it screws with the mildew really bad and causes it to die off. I'll be getting a sulfur burner here pretty soon I guess.

Dude...

I frickin hate importing the clones...everytime I seem to get some sort problem. I am battling with some PM at my place now because of the XJ-13 cut I brought home a few months ago.

Are you saying that the high pH disrupts the pm? If so, do you think that evaporated tap might work (ph 9 or so)?

Anything that you can get that will leave a translucent or transparent or powdery coating on the leaves that has a really high pH absolutely disrupts the PM's ability to live there, so if you're wanting the easiest way for JUST PM then use baking soda and water in a spray bottle and squirt them bitches down 1 time per day for 3 days or until the PM subsides (usually 2 days). Soapy water is another way to treat it. Get that pH up to 8 or 9 and you should be good to go. I used baking soda early on but late in flower if you use baking soda it'll crystallize inside the bud in places and cause crackling and harshness and it's really hard to get it all washed out so the more trich's that have developed the more you need a non-soda solution.

I don't think just evaping the tap water will work since it's unlikely to leave much of a coating unless you have really heavily mineral and salt and chlorate infested L.A. water, worst thing that could happen is it'll cause it to spread. That's why I use the permethrin soap. It leaves a coating that washes off, kills mildew instantly and kills any bugs that get in. I see an occasional fruit fly make its way in but they don't live long.

BTW, the little yellow sticky strips are worthless as tits on a nun.

Jack's not looking so great lately... she looks sad. Almost like overwatered but I basically stopped watering because the soil is still moist. I'm thinking of hitting the roots with a little peroxide. Thoughts?

r3dn3ck said:

Jack's not looking so great lately... she looks sad. Almost like overwatered but I basically stopped watering because the soil is still moist. I'm thinking of hitting the roots with a little peroxide. Thoughts?

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No, do not do that. Wash her down with a mild soap solution. Very mild, if as you say you got PM. Hazes are delicate ladies bro, tread very lightly!

What are you feeding her? how often? how strong?

The only 20 week plus haze line I know off in the community are OT1's lines, you most likely have a clone selection from this line. You are really going to struggle to bring this plant in, inside. They are really, not that easy to grow unless you are quite used to full blown Sativas indoor's. It is most likely you are overwatering, hazes can handle good soakings, but they like to have the soil dry in between. Check your PH man, if she is wilting. Stop feeding her and only give her water (if your feeding at all) they need little to nill fert's. Very little N, so only if you do feed her, use a flowering fert.

However, if you don't have much expertise with pure Sats indoors, then bro, this one is going to be hard even for me to help you with, and i've grown a thousands (not all to flower as I breed them). But, first thing to do, just water lightly, let dry, no ferts, check for PH. Ill check in soon and fingers crossed for you.

Whos Jack?

Peace, HHF

Jack Herer of course. PM was solved a couple weeks ago, haven't had any relapses. I sprayed them with baking soda + water and then rinsed that off over the course of the next week. Seems to have done the trick.

thanks much for the tip. I didn't do the peroxide yet. It's strange as she appears to have stopped taking water... the soil stays moist. I think I need to grab the dremel and make some holes in the bin to help it dry out faster. I've given her very little in the way of nutes (botanicare line). The tops are perking up a little so I'm hoping I can bring this in still. We'll see. It was an adventure at minimum. I'll ping back up in a day or so.

r3dn3ck
Jack Herer of course.

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Yeh, guessed you meant him. Just never heard of a old Haze clone from 'Jack', do you know if is supposed to have come through him? any more info?

You should be good to go, if you got rid of the initial infection of the PM, these are resistant and should not come back.

With the feeding, my advice with these is always, less is more. Stop feeding her anything unless she shows signs of really needing it. Shes got plenty of space to send roots out looking, let her do that. Old hazes are a little slow in the root zone, over watering, over feeding both compound this. I would just water, but only after letting the soil dry to completion. If you can get under her, make as many holes with ya dremel as you can, more run off than you think you need will work best. I always have a layer of rocks in there to help, hazes need the air and hate standing water.

Good luck man, I'll check back in a few days.

Less, is more. Less, is more hehe..

Peace, HHF

roger that. Proceeding. I see a little drying happening on the top layer. Dremeled a bunch of holes all over, hoping that'll help. The tops are perking back up but the rest of it is still kinda sad. At least it's not discolored... just limp.

Thanks much for the help. This is the first plant that's really challenged me.

Gave it it's first watering in over a week. Used just plain water, hoping to blow any accumulated salts out of the coco. The deepness of the green is getting better but not seeing much in the way of perkiness. Man these things are a bitch.