JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones
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jigfresh
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oh man... i love it. Got about 7 grams. And most of it is dark brown... like dark chocolate. Real quality.
I'll toss up some pics soon. I'm trying to get my room in shape. Gotta get my little girls growing.
It's wild. I haven't done anything with them and they are really happy looking and are growing such amazing roots. They are still in their first batch of RO water... nothing else.
Hulk Nugs
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Dam man sounds like the girls are growing strong for you awesome cant wait tell the pics are up get to check out what you been working on and see how the girls have been doing.
So you have water ted them once since you got them and that was it?, pellets hold more water then i thought.
Very nice on the 7, dont forget its hash not chocolate
cant eat it for dessert
So you have water ted them once since you got them and that was it?, pellets hold more water then i thought.
Very nice on the 7, dont forget its hash not chocolate
cant eat it for dessert
#1Raiderfan420
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Very nice Jig, I am glad to hear your bubble came out bomb. Did you use wet trim or dried? I am thnking of trying a run with wet trm next round. I heard you get better quality and no plant debri. Anway, sounds like you had a good frt run Brother
isthislegal
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Jig, you got all of this from a 2 X 3 x 9 closet????
I have a closet the same size and I want to start growing. I'm just not much of a handy man.
Since i'm not so handy, I was wondering if I ordered something like that stealth hydro bubbleponics setup, could I still do this vertical scrog in my closet? My mom is an MMJ patient and i'm gonna be her caregiver. Ultimately, I wanna do what you did, small number of plants, nice harvest. I have been searching RIU and other sites, just not sure on what setup to go with on my first grow. Sorry, i'm not trying to hijack your thread, just wanting some help to get me started, thanks.
jigfresh
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New Setup is looking good. I think I have pics. I still need to get a couple things, but should be up and running in the next week or so I hope. Definitely the next 2 weeks I will have the tubes flooded.
I still plan to build the veg room. Things just keep popping up. I will be growing these plants to harvest. I'll make something else my mother plant. I do have a bunch of seeds... hmmmmmm.
You aren't butting in. Everyone is welcome and comments are requested. Glad you stopped by. I really love you avatar. Looks like a lot of fun.
Well... I had all my trim mixed together... so fan leaves and little stems and stuff. All together it was exactly 7 oz dry. 198 grams. However I would guess 2 - 3 oz. of that were primo sugar trim.
I ended up with a little less than 7 grams of hash.
It all went into the same pile. One lovely lump of trichs.
I got a little over 1 gram with the spoon mixing for about 10 mintues. I got a little over 5 grams with the mixer, going 15 mintues, resting, then 10 mintues.
The weird thing... the spoon stuff was really green/ tan looking. The stuff from the drill turned out to be dark chocolate looking. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's what happened.
The 1500w turned out to be a 150w, lol. However, I have since picked up a 1000w HPS ballast. Going in for flowering.+rep Nice grow man, cant wait to see the 1500w in action
Sorry I wasn't clear. They are in a little DWC I whipped up. I filled it with 3 gals of water, and the girls are just loving it. Been 2 weeks now and they are still real happy.So you have water ted them once since you got them and that was it?, pellets hold more water then i thought.
Very nice on the 7, dont forget its hash not chocolate
It's wild... when I put in the vert light just a couple days ago, the leaves started turning towards the light. I thought they were drooping, but they were just stretching the other way. It's funny looking.
Did you use wet trim or dried? I am thnking of trying a run with wet trm next round. I heard you get better quality and no plant debri./QUOTE]
I used dry trim... BUT, I have used wet trim before and I think that is definitely the way to go. All the way! I think wet trim will not break up, like you said. It's not crumbly. Glad you asked. My vote is definitely on using wet trim.
Haha... however, I just recently read some stuff that has me thinking it would be better to trim the plants when they are dry. So that would leave you with no choice. I guess the flavor and cure time is affected a lot by cutting of leaves right away.
The Purple Kush bookshelf/ closet grow was 2 oz 14 grams I think. The Hindu Skunk/ White Widow Horizontal Scrog grow was 11.2 oz.
That answers the question right?
Bro... you aren't hijacking my thread. I know some people are sensitive to that, but I want everyone in on this party. That's why I keep this thing.
You can totally do what I did using a pre bought hydro system. Just need to adapt things a bit. It may be hard not being a handy type... but take your time and ask me questions. We can figure it out together.
Anyone taking care of their mother is an awesome person in my book.
I think I may need to put a screen up to keep the plants of my light. I will put it up as necessary. Stay tuned, haha.
Alright, not to be a post hog but just to separate things a bit, I'm going to repost something I already wrote somewhere else. I think you will enjoy it.
jigfresh
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2 plants on the grow. 1 Casey Jones (pictured) 1 Sour Grape. They were vegged 8 weeks under 400w MH. They were treated horribly during veg... (didn't check ph... let both catch PM... let the grow space go to shit) otherwise I think it would have taken 6 weeks to acheive the same size.
Flowered under 400w HPS + 250w MH.
Sour Grape gave me 122 grams. Casey Jones 278 grams. Still working on the hash from the trim.
They were both around 3.5 feet tall. Never topped. Trained vigorously during veg. Trimmed a TON.
So... upsides of the grow/ style: It was fun and looked really cool.
Downsides: Too long veg time, very labor intensive, way too much trimmig involed (i think there was as much plant cut off as left growing), the only thing left in the 'middle' of the plant was tiny popcorn buds, meaning tons of trimming.
What I would do (and am going to do someday) is to grow shorter plants in levels. So instead of two tall ass plants... grow 4 plants half the height and have one 'on top' of the other. Cuts veg time in half and you don't have to cut away lots of plant to keep it off the light.
Now... how you could make this style truly successful I think would work but would take an EXTREME amount of effort on the growers part. What I beleive would work great is to not cut any branches at all, but to 'supercrop' them (break them a couple times) and tuck them back.
Here's what I mean... the giant buds I had going all around the outside of the plant were great. They all wighed in the neighborhood of 5-10 grams. Some more. (top cola of CJ was 15.5 grams and I even took out stem weight) Now all those tiny tiny buds in the middle weighed like 0.2 - 0.3 grams... and there were hundreds of them. Most people throw the popcorn in their trim... but this was probably half my wieght here. Also... becuase they were given full light they were all the most killer popcorn buds you've ever seen. It's funny they are all purpleish looking but tiny tiny.
So what I am gettng at is to take the secodary branches that would have been growing strait towards the light. Break them near the main branch they are growing off and send them backwards to the dark... then break them halfway and put the tip of the branch in the light. At the same time strip everything off the secondary branch that is 'below' the tip in the light. Sort of like lollipopping each secondary branch. I beleive doing this would have gotten me the big buds filling the screen. But like I said this seems extremely work intensive.
Now the comparison. I've really only done 1 real horizontal grow to compare to this vertical grow. In my flat grow same lights, DWC as well, same nutes, DIFFERENT strains however.
FLAT: yeilded 11.2 oz - veg time: 4 weeks - flower time : 11 weeks.
VERT: yeilded 14 oz - veg time: 8 weeks - flower time: 12 weeks.
Not very impressive. However if I would have had two Casey Jones plants I could have gotten more like 19-20 oz.
So there it is. I had a shit load of fun. Grew about the same amount I would have from going flat.
Two positves about vert. It seemed much easier to keep the lights cool. Also it was nice not having to reach across a canopy (if that makes sense).
I think this answers your questions. Please feel free to ask me more as well. I'm not trying to hide anything with this vert screen attempt.
Jay_normous
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Great post man... very informative..2 plants on the grow. 1 Casey Jones (pictured) 1 Sour Grape. They were vegged 8 weeks under 400w MH. They were treated horribly during veg... (didn't check ph... let both catch PM... let the grow space go to shit) otherwise I think it would have taken 6 weeks to acheive the same size.
Flowered under 400w HPS + 250w MH.
Sour Grape gave me 122 grams. Casey Jones 278 grams. Still working on the hash from the trim.
They were both around 3.5 feet tall. Never topped. Trained vigorously during veg. Trimmed a TON.
So... upsides of the grow/ style: It was fun and looked really cool.
Downsides: Too long veg time, very labor intensive, way too much trimmig involed (i think there was as much plant cut off as left growing), the only thing left in the 'middle' of the plant was tiny popcorn buds, meaning tons of trimming.
What I would do (and am going to do someday) is to grow shorter plants in levels. So instead of two tall ass plants... grow 4 plants half the height and have one 'on top' of the other. Cuts veg time in half and you don't have to cut away lots of plant to keep it off the light.
Now... how you could make this style truly successful I think would work but would take an EXTREME amount of effort on the growers part. What I beleive would work great is to not cut any branches at all, but to 'supercrop' them (break them a couple times) and tuck them back.
Here's what I mean... the giant buds I had going all around the outside of the plant were great. They all wighed in the neighborhood of 5-10 grams. Some more. (top cola of CJ was 15.5 grams and I even took out stem weight) Now all those tiny tiny buds in the middle weighed like 0.2 - 0.3 grams... and there were hundreds of them. Most people throw the popcorn in their trim... but this was probably half my wieght here. Also... becuase they were given full light they were all the most killer popcorn buds you've ever seen. It's funny they are all purpleish looking but tiny tiny.
So what I am gettng at is to take the secodary branches that would have been growing strait towards the light. Break them near the main branch they are growing off and send them backwards to the dark... then break them halfway and put the tip of the branch in the light. At the same time strip everything off the secondary branch that is 'below' the tip in the light. Sort of like lollipopping each secondary branch. I beleive doing this would have gotten me the big buds filling the screen. But like I said this seems extremely work intensive.
Now the comparison. I've really only done 1 real horizontal grow to compare to this vertical grow. In my flat grow same lights, DWC as well, same nutes, DIFFERENT strains however.
FLAT: yeilded 11.2 oz - veg time: 4 weeks - flower time : 11 weeks.
VERT: yeilded 14 oz - veg time: 8 weeks - flower time: 12 weeks.
Not very impressive. However if I would have had two Casey Jones plants I could have gotten more like 19-20 oz.
So there it is. I had a shit load of fun. Grew about the same amount I would have from going flat.
Two positves about vert. It seemed much easier to keep the lights cool. Also it was nice not having to reach across a canopy (if that makes sense).
I think this answers your questions. Please feel free to ask me more as well. I'm not trying to hide anything with this vert screen attempt.
Look forward to your next journal...
Enjoy your smoke....
#1Raiderfan420
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Great post Jig as usaul my friend. As for the bubble hash, you got me scratchin my head now. lol Did you use wet trim, that is could be the reason. Did you use buds or trim? Just very interesting, now you got me thinking I am mixing my arms off for nothing f a mixer will get the same or better end product.
jigfresh
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Strange to me too. I would try the mixer style on one batch at least to see what happens.
I used dry trim. Dry as can be. Left it sitting out most of it for a month. SOme of it two months. I used not a single bud for the hash. Just leaves and tiny stems.
One thing. The mixer I have is not like Boomers. It has a circle and two little agitator things that spiral... so it doens't really pound the trim as much as spin it around in the water. I think the kind boomer has really beats the trim up. Good for weight not so much on quality.
The dark brown stuff kinda makes my eyes hurt when I smoke it. Just too good.
#1Raiderfan420
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LOL I know what you mean on the eyes hurting..I get all lght headed when smoke mine..takes a good 2 or 3 minutes for my vision to come back
I may try the mixer then man and see how it comes out. I'll post a pic of mine too for comparison, but damn. If I can get the same quality without manually mixing for 30 minutes, I am all for it.
jigfresh
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Wife took the camera to work. I promise I'll get some pics up tonight, lol.LOL I know what you mean on the eyes hurting..I get all lght headed when smoke mine..takes a good 2 or 3 minutes for my vision to come back
BooMeR242
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id have to agree with jig about my mixer beatin up the trim. kinda like beatin cheeks if ya know wat i mean. lol anyways the mixer style does break up the plant matter and gives u more weight which works for me as a vendor doin commercial grade shit but IMO for personal id do a slower mixer or by hand for a workout. if u actually see the diff in color between my hash and jigs u can see his quality is better ( i know since ive seen both in person) so its all up to everyone to decide which is best for them
jigfresh
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Here's some pics for you guys. First is the hash... then the mixer... then the plants in the makeshift DWC. The tubes are waiting to get drilled with holes. I'm pretty stupid sometimes and thought 4" net pots would be a good match for 4" pipe. Not so much. Don't worry, I didn't actually drill 4" holes in the 4" pipe. Just got right up to the doorstep and felt a little silly.
The hash doesn't exactly make sense as far as the ammount of each quality. The hand mixed cycle produced the smaller, more tan row on the bottom. The mixer produced the top row. Almost black. The first pyramid is the only tint of green that came from the mixer. Doesn't all make sense, but it's what's going on.
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Jay_normous
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I can not lie, I have not read all the pages from this grow.. but have learnt alot from the parts I have, also will you be starting a new grow journal for your new babies..?
Have my head set on DWC, after this grow... thanks for the insperation Jigfresh..
bender420
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Hey Jigs, looking fucking great man. I am gonna go through your log and do some learning. Pulling up a permanent chair.
I would also appreciate it if you swing by my log and may be drop some knowledge and help me determine what CJ cut I got. I have heard from folks that my OG is in fact either headband or a cross, you would def be a good person to ask. Cheers again on your girls.
I would also appreciate it if you swing by my log and may be drop some knowledge and help me determine what CJ cut I got. I have heard from folks that my OG is in fact either headband or a cross, you would def be a good person to ask. Cheers again on your girls.
snow4aaron
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Hey Jig,
The hash looks killer.
I'm at week 5 and a couple days. I got one girl that is drooping, including the main stem. The smaller under leaves are curling and the upper leaves are yellow. I have had the yellowing for a while I can't seem to get them greener.
I think the droopy plant is from too many nutrients and water. I flushed them with fresh water yesterday and hopefully she will bounce back. Any ideas besides let her dry out a bit?
The hash looks killer.
I'm at week 5 and a couple days. I got one girl that is drooping, including the main stem. The smaller under leaves are curling and the upper leaves are yellow. I have had the yellowing for a while I can't seem to get them greener.
I think the droopy plant is from too many nutrients and water. I flushed them with fresh water yesterday and hopefully she will bounce back. Any ideas besides let her dry out a bit?
