John Cutters first time outdoor grow

I am getting ready to prep my grow spot for the upcoming season. I figure the more work I do know, the simpler things will be in the spring.

I am planning on using the BC Pinewarp strain because of its claims of low maintenance and high yields. I live in the pacific NW so I need something that is bred for this climate so the pinewarp fits my needs in that area as well.

I am very cautious so I am hoping I could plant the majority of my clones, water them once initially and hope that water crystals and occasional rain will carry them through untill harvest. Is this unrealistic? I know I will lose plenty of them, and my yeilds wont be the greatest, but I am all about self preservation and avoiding any trouble.

If I planted 40 clones could I expect 10-20 of them to make it through to harvest? Is there a hardier strain that would fit my needs better? Maybe a ruderalis hybrid? Keep in mind that where I will be planting receives ~2 inches of rain a month even through the summer months.

Here is my gameplan:

-after the initial planting I will not be back untill harvest time
-40 clones to start
-I will not be hauling in soil. I may just wing it, or I may purchase a soil tester. This way I can just bring in the permalite and needed additives.
-all sites will be marked on GPS to find again at harvest time


-6 clones will be planted in 3x3x3 beds with permalite, fish bodies, homemade tea, and rabbit dung. These will be my prize babies. These will be the only irrigated ones and are the ones i hope to make the biggest yeilds on. Hopefully 1-2 can survive untill harvest. I am going to build a reservoir in the next two weeks. It will be a 3x3x3 foot hole. i will line it with pink foam board and two layers of tarp. Then I will use a pond liner to hold the water. A garden hose attached to a spigot will be used to fill it up and to empty it. I will be filling it up taking in 15 gallons per trip between now and new years.

-There will be buried hoses running to the plant sites regulated by a drip timer.

-The top of the reservior will be a plywood board, some black plastic and a window screen.
-I will be transplanting native plants onto the edges and sticks and branches will be laying over the top.

Also, they will be planted 1 per every 3 sq acres. Trying to be as inconspicous as possible.

-29 of the remaining 34 will be planted sporadically in groups of 2-3. These will receive no attention after the initial planting. A handful of permalite and a hole is all they get. Im just going to look for the greenest/healthiest looking foliage and hope its a good site. They are completely on their own, survival of the fittest. I will space them out to keep from having a huge green patch visible from the air. A few acres between each of these satellite groups.

-If i still feel up to it come spring: I am going to experiment with the final 5 plants. I spend a ton of time on here just reading/researching and recently I have found a few threads that really interest me. The growing in a tree ideas seem full of potential to me. I am going to plant them in burlap sacks, double bagged for strength with wire woven through for even more strength. Then I will be hanging them high in a pine tree. These will be nothing but an experiment to see if a plant can make it through untill harvest in the tree with no attention. These will for sure make it through with out being detected so if they do in fact survive they will be my backup plan in case of detection elsewhere.

-I think I am going to plant 20 the first weekend of may, then the remaining 20 two weeks later. This way if a drout, storm or late frost wipes out one group, the other will have an extra two weeks to recover.

Does anyone else think this approach will work? Keep in mind that i am not trying to get rich, set a record yeild, or anything like that. My goal is to get a decent harvest with the least amount of work(i.e. exposure) as possible.

Supposedly the pinewarp can produce 3 lbs in the best case scenario. Im hoping I can get ten plants to make it through that produce an average of 10 ounces each.

yes good experiment..... burlap sac....nice .

Nobody has any input?

I know I need pics, they will be coming soon when i dig in my reservoir.

sounds like alot of work ahead of you!

hey johnny boy, i got a lil input for u. i feel ur passion and ur desire to experiment. i think ur dripline is a good concept, but a complex one. i too have thought of using a barrel with dripline discharge to extend the intervals of my visits. i was doing this on private land, so discovery of my secret garden was not an issue, i live east of you over the mountains and the climate is a lil more harsh. i dont have as much rainfall, etc. temps are extreme a few weeks out of the year, meaning i may have a week of temps in the high 90's. i must visit to water! i believe u have the advantage with ur moisture. it seems u r afraid of detection of the human kind, but remember the deer , turkeys, rabbits, and what ever kind of critters that may dig or burrow, and possibly cause u great failure. by the way, deer will eat the shit out of ur buds! i often had to pack water, thankfully i was near a water source,(half mile) still a pain in the ass to pack the water, but quite worth it! u must, must prep ur soil to some degree and use some time release ferts. i think your stock pond is genious to trap the water, but if u would just plan a few trips to the site and distribute that water by hand with say a bucket during the hot spells, u will be very successful. i think u r on to something with ur breed selection. also when u go to setup, travel to the site from a different direction, or when u move about setting it up, don't travel the same path. if u do, it will become very obvious that someone has been there. also ur 3x3x3 foot hole which is 27 cubic feet, will hold 202 gallons and 7.79 pints. in short u will have to make 13.46 trips with 15 gallons to fill, granted there is no loss due to evaporation. try to get mother nature to fill ur pond.(snow, rainfall) she is very powerful, and can be ur ally, god bless her, and thank god for buds! what i'm trying to say to u, is to start small or simple, or develop something that is going to be a rock solid system. don't be blinded by ur desire to have a large yeild. many growers fall prey to this, and learn from failure. start small or use a concept that will work. i am not, saying ur setup wont work, i'm just saying, think it out. i believe u r capable, and have the tools. this is ur first so lets make it successful. any kind of yeild without a great amount of effort put forth is going to be a great thing. (remember this plant has been around since before 6000 b.c. and can survive without our help) just don't get it all complicated and set urself up for failure and heartbreak. good luck and god bless ur grow!!!!!!!

thanks for the response Captain, I feel like you really understood where I am coming from with this plan. I have spent plenty of time on the east side, my family owns a few vacation properties there. I would love to do something there but the areas I know are way too close to the border. I have no desire to risk an encounter with border patrol.

NEPA: yes! lots of work... going to miss my leisure time haha

Deer: I have planned on them as well. I will have fishing line running at different heights around the sites. I am also going to collect urine and pour it out around the site. Another idea I took from another forum, was to use buck scent at the site, this way any deer in the area will be thinking about fighting or breeding and not eating hopefully.

Do you think my reservoir will be safe from rodents? Im worried about them chewing their way inside and coming back to the site to find it empty and the plants dead.

Part of my defense concerning humans will be to plant some stinging neddles and pricker bushes surrounding the sites, and on access points. Im hoping that if they are enough of a deterrent to keep out jackers, that i can keep some of the critters out as well.

As for filling the reservoir, i would love to have mother nature do it for me, and I have a site in mind that could be filled by a stream, obviously that would the best if i could let mother nature do the hard work. My only reservation against rain traps or letting the rain fill it up is im worried about too many particles getting in the water.

I too have the confidence in the plant to take care of its self. I figure it wants to grow, its a living thing and doesnt need me. thats why Im hoping if I can help her out just a little in the beginning she will pay me back in the end.

Captain: Just noticed your info about the time release fertilizer. Thanks! I have just needed someone to tell me definitively that I need it. I will give it to my five "spoiled girls". the others I am still going to leave on their own, whatever I get from them is enough for me.

Im just hoping I can gain some knowledge with this cycle, try to figure what works for me and the plants. Im a patient guy so I dont mind learning how to do things the right way.

For your drip line, check out Orange Shovels post on a Automatic Guerilla line

I am ditching the tree experiment. I need to focus.

I am considering increasing the numbers. I dont think it would be too much more work to do, exposure would be basically equal and the reward would be better. It would mean an extra summer of tuition next year as well.

I would start from seed, 100 starts. My only hold up is that I'd have to sex them. Id do 10 at the patch with the res. The remaining 90 starts would be scattered.

For this to work I have to describe by site a little.... basically I am planting in a row a row a few miles long.

Ok stay with me here:

1 mile= 5280ft
5280/300(100 yds)=17.6 plants per mile

Lets make it 17. So 90 plants placed a ~100 yds apart
90/17= 5.2

So a five mile strip with 90 plants a 100 yds apart is what I am thinking. Would this be far enough that I wouldnt have to sex them? Is there a safe distance between males and females? Could I place them farther apart and be able to avoid having to remove males?

Again, I want to do this as low risk as possible, the 5 miles is no big deal when I think about the consequences. Id just set out in one direction, and find a good spot every 100 yards or so.

And my entrance and exit points would be seperated by 5 miles lessening exposure, increasing the appearance of a day hiker/bird watcher. I can fit 100 seedlings in a backpack, with a small shovel, nutes, and some water crystals...

Id use the GPS to record each location on paper. GPS memory would be erased after each planting. This way I would have backup if I cant remember where each is planted.

Yea nathan.

like the idea of spreading them out but what if you can't find all of them come harvest? u might be losing #'s of weed if you cant find some of them. as for your fear of them pollinating each other u got 2 options. use ur clones (lots, and u got time to get em ready if you have a couple of mothers already, if not, start now! ) or fem. seeds. yes, fem seeds are way fuckin expensive and u could break the bank on an experiment, but its the smart choice. most people that experiment in the wild, their first time use bag seed, sigh..... even though they get a lesser end product. just thinking bout saving you some heartbreak here! ur trying to produce alot of fuckin' herb, more than anyone person can smoke, so think of it as a investment. most people think its easy to grow weed, put seed in dirt, water, and presto, come back a few months later and u got a shit ton o weed! thats bullshit, its very hard to grow in the wild(not talkin bout the backyard here).
Investment is the choice by the individual to risk his savings with the hope of gain. do you understand that johnny boy? increasing ur investment will increase ur end results (yeild) Spacing them out, i dont think really matters, except for your unsexed senario. u r betting on the chance that someone will stumble upon them, spacing out is good, but only to an extent. is someone gonna recognize, or even see them? law enforcement uses infrared photography from the air in areas suspected to be used for illegal grow ops(are there any legal ops? lol) anyways, marijuana respirates at a faster rate then surrounding foilage due to the fact that it is working its ass off, cuz its an annual plant(it dies and cannot regenerate itself from root stock) this fast resperation releases more heat than the surronding perennial foliage. that heat shows up as a hotspot on an ir camera. thats why smart growers spread out their crop. less heat signiture. dont bug out on this, chances are that no one will ever see ur garden, from air or foot. spend ur efforts on sustaining ur little beauties and not hiding them. i once took someone to a spot not more than 50 feet from my fully matured plants in full flower, 3 and a half to 4 feet in height. i told them there were 2 plants right in front of them, and they could not see them. moved to 30 feet, still no see. 20 feet and a lil pointing and whamo, lights come on and there was a remark of "holy shit! those are fuckin marijuana plants!" this said, its a good point to make bout bringing someone around or even tellin someone about ur business, if you do then you have no business. i mean if u tell no one, the no one will ever know. its tough cuz u wanna show out or get some respect or whatever. don't do it! anyways, i think i rambled enough for today. not even gonna check for grammer or spelling, let me off this time if i have errored.

Captain: I have just got out of the indoor side of the game and would like to avoid having to maintain a couple of moms untill srpring. I'd rather hit the seeds with a 1000w for a few weeks come april and then do my johnny potseed thing spreading them around.

And if I have males, I can get some seeds. This run is all just the warmup to 2010 for me. Kind of why I want to have everything so spread out. I have to make it through this time, so I can have the startup funds for 2010.

So do you think I could get by without sexing them? If i feel like i can I will stick to this plan, BUT:

Ill be sexing the res. group since they will be close together, so it really wouldnt be too much more work to sex the others at the same time. And I could plant them in groups of 2-3 that way...

Remember, ANYTHING i get off the wild seeds is gravy... I just have to decide if I am comfortable having 30 groups of 3, or if thats too risky for me. Then again, it'd be 30 spots spread out over 5 miles, compared to 90. shit, maybe that is the better plan.

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Im digging my reservoir next week... should be tough in the cold and possibly frozen ground, but atleast I know no one else will be out there. hopefully it rains too.

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Just a quick point for you lad: I live in North England and am on my second grow, last year they were all outside and the yield wasn't great, this year iv germ'd um inside and am growing them for a while outside then they're going indoors in a propper grow room. I'm growing ten plants and am pretty nervous about getting caught, doing everything on the sly. Just thought i'd let you know that if you get caught with 100 plants, or have any connection with a marra farm of that size your looking at real trouble. I'd be real interested to see how your grow goes and to know the conditions that your growing in. Cheers bud

i would never plant in a row of a mile. the chance of someone walking threw a area the length of a mile is pretty good i would find a good location and plant groups of ten. miles apart. i would also do two strains harvest weeks a few weeks apart. that way you dont have a large work load all at once.