MedicineGrowa
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I've been using General Hydroponics for ever. They work great.
The best thing to put on your garden is your shadow.
The best thing to put on your garden is your shadow.
Just an old man and his bubble buckets.
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MedicineGrowa
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My clones are still dormant. The only thing else I can figure is the water. Today I flushed and replaced the tap water with RO water, and changed the nutes back down to the early growth formula.
MedicineGrowa
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BY WILLIEKERS! I do believe the plants are starting to pull through. I was doubtful there for a minute. I'm sure I shocked them more than once during this process. And I was certainly in too big a hurry.
I think it was the RO water which turned the tide. I should have known better than to try and experiment. Just do all the things one needs to do in order to be successful. This is what it sounds like when I'm pulling my head out of my ass.
I think it was the RO water which turned the tide. I should have known better than to try and experiment. Just do all the things one needs to do in order to be successful. This is what it sounds like when I'm pulling my head out of my ass.
MedicineGrowa
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Say V. Yeah I see the leaf tips. Probably from when I was using tap water. I had the PPM too high.
MedicineGrowa
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Good news! All plants have roots growing out from the baskets. I'm using 6" baskets, so they have been busy developing roots, and should start producing more foliage.
Ph has been steady at 5.5-5.6
Added some Ph up to get some drift. Have not checked it since.
Added some Advanced nutes Cal/mag, 15 ml per bucket.
Water temp 22c.
PPM 600
I'm planning on increasing the nutes, and moving into the aggressive veg growth formula. Then I will veg for at least one more week, flush, and change to the transition formula, and turn out the lights!
Ph has been steady at 5.5-5.6
Added some Ph up to get some drift. Have not checked it since.
Added some Advanced nutes Cal/mag, 15 ml per bucket.
Water temp 22c.
PPM 600
I'm planning on increasing the nutes, and moving into the aggressive veg growth formula. Then I will veg for at least one more week, flush, and change to the transition formula, and turn out the lights!
ToneOZ
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the dwc method is the easiest method on gods green earth. I never had any of the problems i see on these forums. Of course i was using well water, and never succomed to the tempation of feeding them more. I always used 1/4 strength nutes throughout veg, and mine ripped through veg like no other. You guys are going to make me break out the buckets again and show ya how its done. All in all good post bubba
MedicineGrowa
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Well "bubba" maybe you should start your own thread, and just show me and everyone else all those skills you possess.
In my opinion, possibly the most important skills a grower has, is the ability to diagnose a problem, and then knowing how to treat it.
But since you "never had any problems", I'll assume you have not the skills to diagnose and treat the many threats, which all hydroponic growers face. Chlorosis, Over Fertilizing, pH Problems, Heat Stress, Leaf Curling Up. Leaf Curling Down, Insect Problems, Root Rot.
If you have never encountered any problems like these, then I say in all confidence...you do not have enough experience to criticize me or any other hydro grower.
So break out those buckets bubba, and show us all how it's done!
All in good post bub
In my opinion, possibly the most important skills a grower has, is the ability to diagnose a problem, and then knowing how to treat it.
But since you "never had any problems", I'll assume you have not the skills to diagnose and treat the many threats, which all hydroponic growers face. Chlorosis, Over Fertilizing, pH Problems, Heat Stress, Leaf Curling Up. Leaf Curling Down, Insect Problems, Root Rot.
If you have never encountered any problems like these, then I say in all confidence...you do not have enough experience to criticize me or any other hydro grower.
So break out those buckets bubba, and show us all how it's done!
All in good post bub
MedicineGrowa
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Update;
Comparing today's pics with those from post #43 we can see little difference in the front two, and the one on the back left. However the one on the back right has taken off in the last seven days.
Back left.
Back right.
I was having a lot of chlorosis, with the leaves curling up. This is a sure sigh of magnesium deficiency. After adding one tsp Epsom salt per gallon, and adjusting the pH to 5.9, the problem seems to be solved. Magnesium begins to be locked out at 5.8 pH and below.
Comparing today's pics with those from post #43 we can see little difference in the front two, and the one on the back left. However the one on the back right has taken off in the last seven days.
Back left.
Back right.
I was having a lot of chlorosis, with the leaves curling up. This is a sure sigh of magnesium deficiency. After adding one tsp Epsom salt per gallon, and adjusting the pH to 5.9, the problem seems to be solved. Magnesium begins to be locked out at 5.8 pH and below.
MedicineGrowa
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Thanks to Meta for suggesting covering the buckets. It helps keep the water temp down.
MedicineGrowa
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I'm going to turn the lights out this Sunday.
I don't expect much from the plants which have been mostly dormant. But the one which has taken off should be OK.
Tonight's readings are;
pH 5.9-6.0
Water temp 22c
PPM, not sure. My batteries are dead in my PPM meter. I will fix this ASAP. The leaf tips are not burnt, so the PPM is not too high. I have, however, been bringing the nutes up to the aggressive grow stage slowly.
I will flush Sunday as well, and start the transition to bloom phase with the nutes. I will continue with the cal/mag and the Epsom salt as well.
After a week in the transition to bloom stage, I will flush and switch to the bloom stage with the nutes. At that time I will add a sweetener, like Diamond Nectar.
I don't expect much from the plants which have been mostly dormant. But the one which has taken off should be OK.
Tonight's readings are;
pH 5.9-6.0
Water temp 22c
PPM, not sure. My batteries are dead in my PPM meter. I will fix this ASAP. The leaf tips are not burnt, so the PPM is not too high. I have, however, been bringing the nutes up to the aggressive grow stage slowly.
I will flush Sunday as well, and start the transition to bloom phase with the nutes. I will continue with the cal/mag and the Epsom salt as well.
After a week in the transition to bloom stage, I will flush and switch to the bloom stage with the nutes. At that time I will add a sweetener, like Diamond Nectar.
nameno
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Good Morning,Great thread!
Like the wall & drain plug!
I grew for a number of years never a problem,I though it
was the easiest thing I ever done,then it happened,first
case root rot,it hit the fan then nothing but problems for a
couple of years.
Your set up looks so good the only thing I can think to
tell you is to keep it just as clean as it is now. The other thing
is I read about insulating the bucket with newspaper & tin foil.
I only been running it 24 hours but so far temps are ok,for
sure a little lower.No cord roots!
Like the wall & drain plug!
I grew for a number of years never a problem,I though it
was the easiest thing I ever done,then it happened,first
case root rot,it hit the fan then nothing but problems for a
couple of years.
Your set up looks so good the only thing I can think to
tell you is to keep it just as clean as it is now. The other thing
is I read about insulating the bucket with newspaper & tin foil.
I only been running it 24 hours but so far temps are ok,for
sure a little lower.No cord roots!
MedicineGrowa
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Say N, hows it goin?
Yeah me too! I started with Aero a long time ago. Never had a problem, even in summer. Then came the nutrient deficiencies, Root rot, and insects.
WHITE FLIES! I hate whits flies like no other. They are extremely hard to finally get rid of. I've used the spray bombs, neem oil, and any other remedy I could find. Nothing worked completely. I had to completely stop growing, clean out the room, and start over. Spider mites are a pain in the arss as well, but they are relatively easy to control.
I have tried insulating the buckets in the past. I need to be able to cool the buckets quickly if need be. I had tried adding ice directly to the water in the bucket, but this screws with all the other readings ie, pH, PPM, water level, etc.
Keeping the buckets in a slightly larger container allows me to add ice, or frozen ice packs around the buckets. This works well so far, but summer is yet to come.
Yeah me too! I started with Aero a long time ago. Never had a problem, even in summer. Then came the nutrient deficiencies, Root rot, and insects.
WHITE FLIES! I hate whits flies like no other. They are extremely hard to finally get rid of. I've used the spray bombs, neem oil, and any other remedy I could find. Nothing worked completely. I had to completely stop growing, clean out the room, and start over. Spider mites are a pain in the arss as well, but they are relatively easy to control.
I have tried insulating the buckets in the past. I need to be able to cool the buckets quickly if need be. I had tried adding ice directly to the water in the bucket, but this screws with all the other readings ie, pH, PPM, water level, etc.
Keeping the buckets in a slightly larger container allows me to add ice, or frozen ice packs around the buckets. This works well so far, but summer is yet to come.
skunkd0c
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i find this kind of paradoxical , often folk only learn once a mistake or problem has occurred
although competent growers perhaps should not have made the mistake to begin with
equates to "the more you fail the more you learn to fix"
i like to keep things as simple as possible, if i do the same thing i did last time when it worked, it should work again
i have found that this was enough for me, find what works and repeat, i have been lucky and not encountered too many errors over the years
peace
MedicineGrowa
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I think The environment in which the plants find themselves, is the most influential thing effecting the plant itself.
If I had a property where I could grow, which was totally dialed in and environmentally controlled, I could develop a more laid back, set it and forget it type mentality. But having said this, lets look at my current situation.
I have four clones. All bought from the same dispensary at the same time. They have all been in the exact same environment from the beginning. They are in the same room, same water, same pH, same PPM, same light....every factor is identical.
So why then are there three clones just sitting there dormant, while the forth is growing, well....like a weed?
I also think the geographical location plays a huge factor. Try growing in the following conditions.
Room size 11x9x10'hi.
Uninsulated roof which is simply plywood with metal on top. (HOT)
No ventilation.
Two 600w HPS w/ballast in the room, as well as veg lights.
Daytime temp outside, 110f, night time 85-95f
Humidity 80%
One small 110 AC unit
In 2006 at this location it was 103f in April.
These conditions usually continue through September.
I'm not trying to be a braggart here. This was my grow room for about five years.
In these conditions, I guarantee you, you will encounter a myriad of problems. It would be great to know off the top of ones head, how to correct any and all potential problems before they raise their ugly head...but how are you supposed to know the problem is coming before it presents itself? And unless you have become a marijuana botanist prior to any growing, how are you going to know how to treat the problem without diligent study, on forums such as this? Is this not why we're here?
http://buymarijuanaseeds.com/community/threads/home-made-aero-v2-0.121146/
Here is a link to a thread I started years ago on another forum. It represents almost a year of growing in the grow room above. I think it started in Dec. and ended in Sept., or Oct.
Check it out.
If I had a property where I could grow, which was totally dialed in and environmentally controlled, I could develop a more laid back, set it and forget it type mentality. But having said this, lets look at my current situation.
I have four clones. All bought from the same dispensary at the same time. They have all been in the exact same environment from the beginning. They are in the same room, same water, same pH, same PPM, same light....every factor is identical.
So why then are there three clones just sitting there dormant, while the forth is growing, well....like a weed?
I also think the geographical location plays a huge factor. Try growing in the following conditions.
Room size 11x9x10'hi.
Uninsulated roof which is simply plywood with metal on top. (HOT)
No ventilation.
Two 600w HPS w/ballast in the room, as well as veg lights.
Daytime temp outside, 110f, night time 85-95f
Humidity 80%
One small 110 AC unit
In 2006 at this location it was 103f in April.
These conditions usually continue through September.
I'm not trying to be a braggart here. This was my grow room for about five years.
In these conditions, I guarantee you, you will encounter a myriad of problems. It would be great to know off the top of ones head, how to correct any and all potential problems before they raise their ugly head...but how are you supposed to know the problem is coming before it presents itself? And unless you have become a marijuana botanist prior to any growing, how are you going to know how to treat the problem without diligent study, on forums such as this? Is this not why we're here?
http://buymarijuanaseeds.com/community/threads/home-made-aero-v2-0.121146/
Here is a link to a thread I started years ago on another forum. It represents almost a year of growing in the grow room above. I think it started in Dec. and ended in Sept., or Oct.
Check it out.
MedicineGrowa
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Day F1 (flowering, day one)
The lights were turned off at 7:00 AM, and will come back on at 7:00 Pm.
Yesterday I mixed new nutes, using the transition to bloom formula in clean buckets, and moved two plants into these buckets. The other two clones were discarded.
4.5 gal RO water
40 ml each, Gro, Bloom, and Micro
30 ml Cal/Mag
4 tsp Epsom salt
pH 6.0
Water temp 22c
PPM meter needs batteries, so I don't have a reading just yet.
After about 16-18 hours in the new nutes, the plants look good.
I will have new pics tonight when the light come on.
The lights were turned off at 7:00 AM, and will come back on at 7:00 Pm.
Yesterday I mixed new nutes, using the transition to bloom formula in clean buckets, and moved two plants into these buckets. The other two clones were discarded.
4.5 gal RO water
40 ml each, Gro, Bloom, and Micro
30 ml Cal/Mag
4 tsp Epsom salt
pH 6.0
Water temp 22c
PPM meter needs batteries, so I don't have a reading just yet.
After about 16-18 hours in the new nutes, the plants look good.
I will have new pics tonight when the light come on.
MedicineGrowa
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The lights just came on. Here's some pics.
Rolando Mendoza
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If I show you a picture of my plants can you tell me if its okay to flip to 12/12.? We are using the same formula except I use Floralicious plus along with flora series grow,micro hard water, bloom. I topped mine though, ready to install scrog and since we are doing similar formulas i sure wouldnt mind your advice since you have been growing and this is only my first grow. I'm digging your setup man I need an hps bulb like you for flower, for sure.
MedicineGrowa
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Say R, sorry for the late response. Feel free to post your pics. I'll be happy to help any way I can.