Just got some bad news:( I heard pure blend pro is not organic?

I was on another site and this guy posted that pure blend pro by botanicare is not really organic. It si organic based!

That puts a damper in my plans. I thought i was all organic. Now What.

It looks like Earth juice is organic. It has omri certifaction. That is what I want. But it looks like they got a third thing you have to buy and that does not say anyhting about the omei lable and so on.

I am confused.

maybe I should just feed with bat tees and so on.

this is what I have on hand.


-pure blend pro grow and bloom
liquid karma
-dyna grow-super plant tonic-
-ocean forest-light warrior-perlite-dolomite lime-
-bag of worm castings-
hydroguard-
-botanicare cal mag-
ro water-


where can I find the rest of the BMO line? It was a bitch figuring out the secret code word needed to find the spt on ebay, lol. I tryed like seven variations of the product!


Also is pure blend pro actually organic after all? After all it says it is for vegetables and contains good things to eat! Maybe I f I switch to fox farms for bloom, but that seems like cheating.

I a little lost. This is my first soil organic grow and I am waiting for my seeds.

ww, and lr2. fem.

ty for any help/ i will of course rep!

please that bmo too!@

well i have done some more reading.

the botanicare looks good but has no certifacation. Also botanicare has their organicare for real organics.

humbolt nutes looks good and is decent priced. but I saw no certifaction.

bio bizz looks to be the coolest! I am excited. It is certified in america and the uk as completely organic and clean.

I dont know how the certifaction works. Perhaps a lot of companies dont pay for the certifacation? i will read more.

but so far I like bio bizz, then humbol, then bmo. that is if i dont just pure blend pro. it says it tastes great! lol.

well I looked and it looked pretty esay to get certified so I went with bio bizz grow and bloom I found on ebay for an awesome deal. About a third the price or half than the shops.

I am excited about the omri list. This is medicanal weed so I want to do the omri thing all the way!

well i dont know where you found how easy it was to obtain a certification of omri but it cost a lot. humboldt natural is 100% organic but no omri label .... the owner explains on youtube.
OMRI is a joke , a TRUE organic farmer would never let half these "omri" chems near their crops. omri is a money scheme just like everything else the government does.

for example.... if fat fuck from AN made a healthy "donation" to whoever is in charge of the certifying department , then his chems would get the omri label , but if your a standard person tryin to make some money an not spend then they will make it VERY hard for you to get a label. (you dont even have to be 100% organic to get a label)




the best thing to do is read ALL ingrediants in the bottle an thats the only true way to know if its fully organic or not.

all bullshit to the side .... there is no reason to be so dedicated to 100% organic. i am an organic freak , but some stuff just aint organic , like microblast from earthjuice .... its just too hard to get all those micronutes in one organic bottle because of some of the chemical reactions when puttin certain things together.

i can tell you from years of experience that 99% organic is completley fine.



soil

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Learn to really read labels and ingredients. Going by that ORMI sticker is just going to cost you more and not really guarantee anything.

IMO it is more of a scam than a joke.

Wet

Exactly, this is why I use Maxsea fertilizer, 99% organic, and works great!

Good luck

peace
doublejj

Wetdog said:

IMO it is more of a scam than a joke.

Wet

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thanks for correcting me !

So many scams and schemes. My soil gets simpler and the grows get better. Guano is the next thing to go, while I increase my dependence on my own compost. My own worm bin is next.

Can't go wrong with biobizz

With regard to certification, it's certainly easy enough to do, but there is often an extortionate fee involved each year to maintain your certification. A LOT of companies in all areas where organic is relevant will simply refuse the price of certification but sell "organic" products none the less. Does make thihngs a bit confusing at times given trade description laws etc.

Know your ingredients, know the sources. There's no reason to have to buy anything from a fertilizer company.

age old organics. it even has a lot of micros.

Rrog said:

Know your ingredients, know the sources. There's no reason to have to buy anything from a fertilizer company.

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OMRI certification is a joke. As long as you trust your source to not add inorganic compounds, and the components that are there are organic, it's all good. The products I used to use when I first went organic are not, to my knowledge, OMRI certified, yet they come so highly recommended by so many botanical societies and horticulture organizations.

Rrog, you KNOW how I feel about that, I agree 100%. But not everyone is as dedicated (fanatical) as we are, and a good, east to use ORGANIC prepared nutrient is a godsend to them. Had I known the amount of work I was in for going the route I have, I might not have done it. I sort of evolved into the nutcase I am now. Collecting or making all the ingredients and components for my nutrients and soils is almost a full time job in itself. Not everyone is that dedicated.

Jack Harer said:

OMRI certification is a joke. As long as you trust your source to not add inorganic compounds, and the components that are there are organic, it's all good. The products I used to use when I first went organic are not, to my knowledge, OMRI certified, yet they come so highly recommended by so many botanical societies and horticulture organizations.

Rrog, you KNOW how I feel about that, I agree 100%. But not everyone is as dedicated (fanatical) as we are, and a good, east to use ORGANIC prepared nutrient is a godsend to them. Had I known the amount of work I was in for going the route I have, I might not have done it. I sort of evolved into the nutcase I am now. Collecting or making all the ingredients and components for my nutrients and soils is almost a full time job in itself. Not everyone is that dedicated.

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Exactly!!!! Not everyone is so blessed to have a house or a big enough yard to have a compost pile. Some people have full time jobs, some have MULTIPLE full time jobs! lol! Organics is great, but it can be a LOT of work and takes patience. It also takes a good knowledge base to do things correctly. And growing TRULY organic indoors is nearly impossible. All of my outdoor crops are totally organic. Indoors, I use a good organic soil and occasional tea, but I will use chemical ferts to correct a deficiency quickly. Growing organically is awesome but the vast majority just don't have the time or the space to do it correctly.

Once you get a good organic prepared nute (like Espoma) and get things dialed in, there will be no need to correct any deficiencies with chemicals. Unless of course you are growing out multiple strains with vastly differing nutritional needs. Props to everyone who pulls that one off!! Even then, with time, one can dial in by strain.

(I'm still waiting for my first commission check from Espoma!! LOL)

Jack Harer said:

Once you get a good organic prepared nute (like Espoma) and get things dialed in, there will be no need to correct any deficiencies with chemicals.

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The principal behind the no-till method. When we mix a soil from scratch we are starting from scratch. No developed micro life, no fungal network, no locked up / chelated nutes. Just a raw mess. Takes time to get the 5 gallon universe in order. Then just when things are getting good, we harvest the plant.

If we simply re-use the old soil without disturbing it at all and you are no longer starting from scratch. Amend as you go with compost (buy it if necessary) and EWC, and the soil just gets better and less maintenance with each run. Some of the most advanced organic growers I am aware of online have staggering grows going on and the soil is on its 10-20th use.

Thats how I do it as well, I reuse my soil, replacing only that which I can't reclaim. But for the Normal person (as opposed to us), with the mycos infused into the nutrients, the EWC and compost, that really is a non issue. I always recommend that they mix the soil, water it with a weak carb (molasses) and let it "cook" a couple of weeks prior to use.

Jack, do you empty your containers and re-mix before re-using, or are you doing a true no-till?

Rrog said:

Some of the most advanced organic growers I am aware of online ...

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Thats how I do it as well, I reuse my soil, replacing only that which I can't reclaim.

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See what I mean?

No that's the part I lack. I empty my containers into a barrel, discarding the root ball. I replace the soil retained by the root ball after I shake it out. I just don't see a way for me do do a true no till until I can get outside, or get my soil truly sustainable with bio char. I'm sure that my way has an impact on the micro colony, but it re establishes well.

i believe a product only has to be something like 17% organic to recieve an OMRI certification...lame! props on reusing the soil

Jack, folks are doing indoor no-till with great success. 10, 15, 20 uses and still going strong. Fantastic photo documentaries of the process.