just tried dmt

ANC

ANC

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hold the pipe like a normal pipe, then roll it about 45degrees to the side, light infront and slightly below, and drag the hot air in while covering the hole at the end of the stem, release finger on hole to clear pipe. Takes a few seconds to get up to speed, don't cheat and bring the flame closer.

When DMT burns, like in a bulb, it tastes like crap, I get quite pissed if a guest tries to nail a pipe with the flame, it makes everything taste like shit (literaly) until the pipe and sreenball is washed in acetone again.

I disagree with not being able to alter the molecule with heat, just cary a small vial in your pocket on a warm day and then try and smoke the resultant yellow gooh it deconstitutes into, and tell me its the same stuff again.
 
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testtime

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ANC said:
I disagree with not being able to alter the molecule with heat, just cary a small vial in your pocket on a warm day and then try and smoke the resultant yellow gooh it deconstitutes into, and tell me its the same stuff again.
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You are talking crystals melting into oil. Are you telling me the DMT molecule has gone through any type of transition in that moment?

When I say temp makes no difference, I am using pot as a baseline (where temp has a huge effect), so maybe I'm offbase. I mean like how THC has a bunch of different terpenes as well, and they all interact at differnt temps, and the THCV (oh, running from poor memory) decarboxylates (no, I will NOT google it), and therefor turn into THC at a certain temp. And THC itself vaporises at about 360, but around 500 or so it decomposes into something else that you may not want, so it is temperature sensitive. THC also oxidises on it's own, just sitting there. Quickly.

DMT oxidises as well, but it seems to last forever (in my feeble history), and seems to be very stable.
 
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ANC

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When it oxidises into that yellow gooh the experience tends to be much darker and more tricky... I don't know why, I just don't even attempt smokeing anything but fresh spice anymore.

It is not lost though, the oxidised spice can be reconstituted to its original form useing zink.
 
Tmac4302

Tmac4302

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DMT is not a normal drug. It will not allow everybody into the world of Knowledge and Pure. You must humble yourself before it and accept everything it gives you without question. It is a mental state, much like meditating for Hindu's and Buddhist's, that you must put yourself into before you take that breath. It takes practice and understanding of it's effects to receive anything beneficial from it. It is not like shrooms or LSD or even mescaline. Once you break through, it will enlighten you with more Information and more Truth than you will know what to do with. It took me 3 tries with DMT to actually break through and understand what I needed to understand before he let me into the infinite world of Knowledge and Pure. I can only hope that you will take another venture to Dimitri with a mind set he can welcome you in with. :)
 
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testtime

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Really.
Hmm.
Never noticed any difference, having gone through about 2 kilos of MHRB extract over several years, some of which hung out for months.
 
morfin56

morfin56

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testtime said:
High torch over. DMT does not alter chemically when it "burns", at least not at the temps we do it, and no concept of wanting to slow burn it light pot.
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Don't use a torch, that is an no no.
If you've smoked DMT before you would know this.
As for DMT not chemically altering when it burns, this is false.
Burning is a chemical process in its self, burning leaves makes CO2, burning any kind of fuel makes gases and other components.
Similarly with DMT, when it burns it forms byproducts.
Although not all of the byproducts are know, skatole (3-methylindole) is believed to be one of them.
Skatole is known to be toxic, so torching DMT like you say to, should not be done.

Vaporizing on the other hand does not chemically alter DMT, but physically make it into vapor that one can inhale.
DMT isn't to particularly stable and will oxidize under high temperatures, but not much if vaporized and not torched.

If you gently vaporize DMT with a lighter then you will get full effects, you wont have as much of a nasty taste, you will not burn causing a chemical change in the substance.

Please do not give advice that you are not certain about testtime.

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testtime said:
You are talking crystals melting into oil. Are you telling me the DMT molecule has gone through any type of transition in that moment?

When I say temp makes no difference, I am using pot as a baseline (where temp has a huge effect), so maybe I'm offbase. I mean like how THC has a bunch of different terpenes as well, and they all interact at differnt temps, and the THCV (oh, running from poor memory) decarboxylates (no, I will NOT google it), and therefor turn into THC at a certain temp. And THC itself vaporises at about 360, but around 500 or so it decomposes into something else that you may not want, so it is temperature sensitive. THC also oxidises on it's own, just sitting there. Quickly.

DMT oxidises as well, but it seems to last forever (in my feeble history), and seems to be very stable.
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DMT is not the most stable substance, I don't know were or how THC comes into play here but THC is a much more stable compound than DMT.
Like Anc said if you have a vial of DMT and you subject it to heat, it will form oxides of DMT, through the day more and more.
DMT N oxide is an is a liquid at 23C, DMT freebase is a solid at 23C.
The DMT doesn't just simply melt, that would be apparent once it is cooled back to room temperature.

"(no, I will NOT google it)"
Seems like you need to do more of that.
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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morfin56 said:
Don't use a torch, that is an no no.
If you've smoked DMT before you would know this.
As for DMT not chemically altering when it burns, this is false.
Burning is a chemical process in its self, burning leaves makes CO2, burning any kind of fuel makes gases and other components.
Similarly with DMT, when it burns it forms byproducts.
Although not all of the byproducts are know, skatole (3-methylindole) is believed to be one of them.
Skatole is known to be toxic, so torching DMT like you say to, should not be done.

Vaporizing on the other hand does not chemically alter DMT, but physically make it into vapor that one can inhale.
DMT isn't to particularly stable and will oxidize under high temperatures, but not much if vaporized and not torched.

If you gently vaporize DMT with a lighter then you will get full effects, you wont have as much of a nasty taste, you will not burn causing a chemical change in the substance.

Please do not give advice that you are not certain about testtime.

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DMT is not the most stable substance, I don't know were or how THC comes into play here but THC is a much more stable compound than DMT.
Like Anc said if you have a vial of DMT and you subject it to heat, it will form oxides of DMT, through the day more and more.
DMT N oxide is an is a liquid at 23C, DMT freebase is a solid at 23C.
The DMT doesn't just simply melt, that would be apparent once it is cooled back to room temperature.

"(no, I will NOT google it)"
Seems like you need to do more of that.
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i dunno man, i got a much better effect from burning it in a sandwhich bong, i tried the cracky style, and couldnt not reach enough of a buzz, nor quick enough. i say 2 sandwhich bongs with equal 30mg hits, should be good to go, i get more this weekend, and will report, i will try a few methods, but soo far ive had the best experiences sandwiching with erb, easily.

unless you're saying you put enough of a dose in a glassy and slowly vaporize, or get someone else to heat it to get a few good tokes, that i imagine might help?? thoughts? i just had trouble heating enough of a toke in glass, the bong was a quick instant delivery, and i dont think hampered the effect atall, i smoke the bowl as slow as can so it just sizzles, and hold it for as long as i can, my next time i will slam a second bong down straight away, and maybe a 3rd if i can, i am going to reach threshold no matter what next time. i'm going bye byes for 15 minutes,, and i can't wait!!
 
morfin56

morfin56

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A crack pipe(freebase pipe) is in my opinion the best way to smoke it, although I don't call it a crack pipe.
You can dose 60mg in two hits and breakthrough with a freebase pipe or a good way of smoking it.
With a freebase pipe its easy, just load up, start lighting the bottom side of the bulb and inhale a few seconds after you start lighting.
If your going to go for another hit start heating the bottom of the bulb before you exhale because it comes on quickly and within the first hit you will start hearing that sharp buzzing sound.

Sandwiching it between ganja is a good method too, but not as good as using a freebase pipe.
I'll always use a freebase pipe, nothing compares.
Changa is good on occasions though.
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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morfin56 said:
A crack pipe(freebase pipe) is in my opinion the best way to smoke it, although I don't call it a crack pipe.
You can dose 60mg in two hits and breakthrough with a freebase pipe or a good way of smoking it.
With a freebase pipe its easy, just load up, start lighting the bottom side of the bulb and inhale a few seconds after you start lighting.
If your going to go for another hit start heating the bottom of the bulb before you exhale because it comes on quickly and within the first hit you will start hearing that sharp buzzing sound.

Sandwiching it between ganja is a good method too, but not as good as using a freebase pipe.
I'll always use a freebase pipe, nothing compares.
Changa is good on occasions though.
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do you still think a breakthrough would be possible on 2 bongs in a row, each an equal dose?? i was soooooo close from 1, i could barely place the bong down after exhaling, my skin changed into like reptilian skin, i didnt have my eyes closed for the whole trip, wanted to see visuals with eyes open, very very impresive, and i was almost unaware of my mrs in the room with me, and i heard droplets of water as loud as a speaker next to my ears.... i'm thinking if if i had 2 doses like that i'm sure to cross over, when i mean these visuals before, they are after the initial kaleidoscope of colours swirling around, then when things begin to clear, i start to see strong visuals, and my speech was almost a dribble, i got it all on recording, i was silent for exactly 8 minutes with my eyes closed, and then strong visuals for another 4 minutes with my eyes open with the TV displaying 3d viusuals,which intensified thing even more, wow wow wow wow
 
ANC

ANC

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flowamasta said:
do you still think a breakthrough would be possible on 2 bongs in a row, each an equal dose?? i was soooooo close from 1, i could barely place the bong down after exhaling, my skin changed into like reptilian skin, i didnt have my eyes closed for the whole trip, wanted to see visuals with eyes open, very very impresive, and i was almost unaware of my mrs in the room with me, and i heard droplets of water as loud as a speaker next to my ears.... i'm thinking if if i had 2 doses like that i'm sure to cross over, when i mean these visuals before, they are after the initial kaleidoscope of colours swirling around, then when things begin to clear, i start to see strong visuals, and my speech was almost a dribble, i got it all on recording, i was silent for exactly 8 minutes with my eyes closed, and then strong visuals for another 4 minutes with my eyes open with the TV displaying 3d viusuals,which intensified thing even more, wow wow wow wow
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It will not disable you anymore than you let it. If you want to take more tokes, you can, the DMT won't stop you. Only when you believeyou are overwhelmed will this come true.
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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so if i packed 2 fat bongs with good hits in each, theres a good chance of breakthrough?? if i had massive effects from 1 that
maybe i'll have a glassy packed, aswell as a bong, and start with the glassy and then have the bong to help with that instant zoom effect... hnmmmmmm
 
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DoctorSmoke

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u could make a device called an ironlung, a bread bag and 2 litre pop bottle with the bottom cut off, tape the bottle and bag together. u pack a bowl where the cap screws on and pull down on the bag and that creates a vacuum inside the bottle. i would suggest attaching a glass vapourizer pipe to the bottle so u dont burn the DMT. using this method u can vapourize ur DMT all at once and smoke it from the bottle without having to relight.
 
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testtime

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Thank you ANC and Morfin56.

Well, thank you ANC for pointing out my original mistake, and morfin56 for going into good detail.

On the other hand, morfin, you really dislike me. Sorry about that. Snide asides such as "If you've smoked DMT before you would know this." are pretty strong indicators.

No, if I was a chemist I would know these things. I'm not. I'm an old man with a blowtorch and cookbook.

But hey, you seem so have a bit of a dominance issue and gotta stomp hard. That's ok. I'm STILL learning, and sometime misforgetting.

And no, when I'm attempting to spiel for partial memory, I make it CLEAR. I don't google. At least not at that moment. And I say it. That way I lay open what I know or don't. That way you guys can be pretty sure the level of experience and knowledge, AS WELL AS any areas lacking.

So, here's a clue on me: Detailed chemistry knowledge AIN'T there. Granted. And I WILL occasionally post when I've smoked a bit. Or a lot. Which may end up with a bit of stupid babbling. You may always point back to this post if I ever get a bit uppity.

On the other hand, when ANC points me back I'll smile and think, good, thanks, I needed that.

When morfin56 does, I'll kick up some defences, read through a bunch of his old posts to see if I can catch him on something stupid (LOTS TO PICK FROM), find a smoking gun, then drop it since the hassle factor isn't worth it.
 
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testtime

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On torching VS vaping.

Vaping is more efficient, safer, less likely to produce any unwanted side effects.

Torching has a far higher likelihood of delivering a large enough dose to threshold. It will also waste a lot of material, and create some unwanted secondary material.

I (yes, me, this is a personal example) suggest that if someone wants a large enough dose, and they extract from a cheap source and don't care about the cost per dose, then they TORCH THE MOTHERFUCKER.

If someone else wants to roll some flame lightly over a sparking bowl, sure, you have at it, but to suggest that while under a large dose of DMT (not threshold, but still large) that we have the ability to hold the pipe in a controlled fashion and light it is a bit absurd. ANC. Talking to you.

So, back to the goal and resources. Wanna cross-over? Got a lot of DMT? TORCH IT! And don't try to take 3 or 4 hits from a single bowl. That means you were trying to measure and conserve during the bowl. Fuck that. Torch the entire bowl, put it down, and grab the next, and decide to torch it or put it down in 10 seconds.
 
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DoctorSmoke

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my friend who extracted the DMT we smoked couldnt get a breakthrough dose regardless how much he smoked, then again hes 300+ pounds. either smoking a bunch of bowls once after another or vapourize all of it in a bag. im guessin DMT hits the brain too fast, ur reluctant to take another hit and takes more than 1-2 puffs and it wears off quickly is the reason why its so hard to breakthrough.
 
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