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ttystikk · Mar 13, 2017

fdd2blk said:
No one cares what you think.

Hi no one. I'm ttystikk.

Padawanbater2 · Mar 13, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
But, I don't think a campaign contribution is necessarily a bribe. It may look like a bribe, it may smell like a bribe, but it isn't a signed contract that you will personally make sure the contributor actually gets anything.

Why would I donate to your campaign unless I believed you would fight for my interests?

ttystikk · Mar 13, 2017

UncleBuck said:
so you don't want democrats to accept donations from groups that lobby for progressive causes?

"hey, planned parenthood, FUCK YOU! your money is no good. we will compete against the NRA on our own!"

i get the appeal of fighting for institutions like PP without their dollars, but how do you think campaign operatives are hired? ideas are only as good as the money people like you and i are willing to put behind them. without dollars to hire the best, most competent campaign people, we might as well relegate ourselves to complaining on message boards.

I see his point. If we carve out exceptions, pretty soon we slide right back down the slippery slope to where we are now.

@Padawanbater2 I see his point, as well; if we take a rigidly ideological stance, we end up without the resources to fight for what we believe in, we've given the opposition a big advantage.

This is why we need to outlaw campaign cash for EVERYONE. Until then, it's a necessary evil, to use in service to the larger goal of outlawing campaign funding for everyone.

twostrokenut · Mar 13, 2017

Trump got the tpp done for you...is he in the justice league now?

ttystikk · Mar 13, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
Me neither.

But, I don't think a campaign contribution is necessarily a bribe. It may look like a bribe, it may smell like a bribe, but it isn't a signed contract that you will personally make sure the contributor actually gets anything.

Hillary's contributors aren't getting anything these days. And if she had won, there were no guarantees either.
Congress has to pass to stuff through.

As I have mentioned, the corporation I worked for donated to both sides equally in senatorial races. And they didn't get what they wanted all the time, as far as trade cases and foreign subsidized dumping.

Nobody gets everything they want.

I want what you want. The difference is, if I don't get everything I want, I still support them as the best alternative. Compare my idea to what happened on Nov. 8th. I'd rather be a little unhappy with Clinton as opposed to the war against truth machine, the horrible cabinet, the right wing judges, etc.

I wonder how much different a Sanders cabinet vs. a Clinton cabinet would have looked. There would be overlaps, I'm certain. Same with judges.

It's not just the top of the ticket one is voting for.

The corporations involved know very well that even though they don't get everything they want, the return is well worth the investment. That makes it bribery.

Why is it wrong? Because few have the money to compete with them, so their interests get first priority.

tangerinegreen555 · Mar 13, 2017

Padawanbater2 said:
Why would I donate to your campaign unless I believed you would fight for my interests?

Why did my employer donate to both sides?

tangerinegreen555 · Mar 13, 2017

ttystikk said:
The corporations involved know very well that even though they don't get everything they want, the return is well worth the investment. That makes it bribery.

Even when their candidate loses?

ttystikk · Mar 13, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
Even when their candidate loses?

That's why your company donated to BOTH sides. Either way, they get first in line status for their interests over yours and mine.

Explain how it ISN'T corrupt?

tangerinegreen555 · Mar 14, 2017

ttystikk said:
That's why your company donated to BOTH sides. Either way, they get first in line status for their interests over yours and mine.

Explain how it ISN'T corrupt?

It's an attempt to acquire leverage. As I said, it doesn't always work.

It would have to work out the way they wanted, they would have to get something out of it before you can call corruption.

And since everybody involved loves money, it is an uphill battle for election campaign finance reform.

I bought a bag of Snickers, it will be a while. 3 and a half years to the first window of opportunity.

I'll be ready, find a good candidate who will carry the torch.

ttystikk · Mar 14, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
It's an attempt to acquire leverage. As I said, it doesn't always work.

It would have to work out the way they wanted, they would have to get something out of it before you can call corruption.

And since everybody involved loves money, it is an uphill battle for election campaign finance reform.

I bought a bag of Snickers, it will be a while. 3 and a half years to the first window of opportunity.

I'll be ready, find a good candidate who will carry the torch.

A pessimist is an optimist who's been mugged.

I'm a pessimist, lol

That doesn't mean I don't have hope for something better.

If we leave the political field to 'those with the gold make the rules by choosing the winners' we'll see the solidification of the very aristocratic system our Founding Fathers fought so hard to bury.

tangerinegreen555 · Mar 14, 2017

ttystikk said:
That doesn't mean I don't have hope for something better.

sounds a lot like an optimist

ttystikk · Mar 14, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
It's an attempt to acquire leverage. As I said, it doesn't always work.

Just because it doesn't ALWAYS WORK doesn't mean it isn't a corrupt practice.

Unfair leverage is the antithesis of democracy.

ttystikk · Mar 14, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
sounds a lot like an optimist

The optimist expects things to get better. I'm hopeful but I have low expectations.

tangerinegreen555 · Mar 14, 2017

ttystikk said:
Just because it doesn't ALWAYS WORK doesn't mean it isn't a corrupt practice.

Unfair leverage is the antithesis of democracy.

You went to school. Sometmes you have to grade on the curve or 90% of the class fails.

We'd be better off without Trump.
Corruption would be substantially less.

ttystikk · Mar 14, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
You went to school. Sometmes you have to grade on the curve or 90% of the class fails.

We'd be better off without Trump.
Corruption would be substantially less.

Corruption is how we ended up with him.

tangerinegreen555 · Mar 14, 2017

ttystikk said:
Corruption of the truth is how we ended up with him.

fify

ttystikk · Mar 14, 2017

tangerinegreen555 said:
fify

The truth is the first casualty in war.

666888 · Mar 14, 2017

ttystikk said:
The truth is the first casualty in war.

Spot on, little green stain man
The left and right are both masters of it, bullshit is a speciality of politics
Trump is one of the best politician's ever, even better than Hillary

666888 · Mar 14, 2017

,

ttystikk said:
Corruption is how we ended up with him.

Trump is the lesser of two evils.
From the outside looking in, Trump is nuts and Hillary is a fucking PSYCHO

666888 · Mar 14, 2017

Meant to say "has" not "is"

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