K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

looking good. when do you top them? i was thinking of topping. would it be good with ak47, white russian, ersb?

those babys are looking good man keep up the good work.

PS I borrowed a good camera so Im posting some High Res Pics =)

good lookin out 420 man, cant wait to checkkum out


N Da Kine,

You can top your plants at any time really after they grow like 4 nodes - thats when i started topping. I went down just one node n topped there. N then when the two growths that sprouted up in place of the topped main stem grew out, i topped both of those too just today . So now instead of 2 tops, ill have 4. Im not gonna overdo it like i did with my last grow, 4 tops is enough for sure. Im gonna do the same thing to my other blue cheese, n possibly my twilights too, but im not gonna top my Northern N Whiteberry a 2nd time. Well, i might, who the fuck knows man, lol. All i know is that my new plants aint gonna get topped even once for sure.

Now all i have to do is figure out the fastest way to make my new girls blow up in time to flower with the rest of them. I know that i cant expect for them to be the same size as the others are, but I can still expect a decent harvest from them if i do this right. I was thinking about doing hydro, but i got no experience even thinkin about starting a hydro grow from seed. Fuck it, im sure ill figure somethin out man.

O n as far as the certain strains go, and wether topping would be a good thing for them, your gonna get varied responses all across the board with that Q. Some people prefer not to top anything at all, cuz they want that big, single honkin cola. But then theres shitloads of people who want more buds in their yield (n there will also be alot of varied answers as to wether or not people think that topping increases yield, but i think it would. I dont have any experience growing a single cola plant to back that up though, so my opinion is worth nothin, lol), so they top their plants as much as they can. Some people top 3, 4, n even 5 times man. I guess some people have even topped up to 8 times per plant, and have had good results. Basically topping is for anybody that wants to do it. If your strains are good yielders, than by all means man, go for the grande

man looking great! the topping turned out great!!! + rep!

thanks Dankman, i appreciate the props

-Now check this shit out, lol. If this aint fuckin fate, i dont know what is man. Member a couple posts up when i was bitchin about only havin a couple weeks to veg my seeds out before i had to throw them into flower?? well my seeds came today, n check out the description for my WW seeds man:

White Widow is known for its resin coated buds, knock out stone and a lower yeild than average. Seedsman has developed this strain over the last 7 years and has succeeded to increase it to a medium yielding strain without losing its tremendous character. The plants can be put on 12/12 hrs after two weeks and they will stay short .


- Now THATS fuckin sayin somethin to me right there. I was gonna germ both RD and WW, but when i saw that, i put the Barneys Farm Breeders Pack away, n busted out Two Seedsman Seeds White Widow seeds, n am germin them shits right now man. If that shit goes the way they say itll go, then ill still be right on schedule with my grow - i wont have to lengthen veg time at all (i was gonna veg these plants for 6 weeks anyways), and the WW will stay around the same height as everything else will. Ima keep these bitches untopped too -- im sure one GIANT WW cola is a sight to behold man. Itll be cool as fuck holdin just one giant fuckin nug of some frosty ass widow in my hands.

N now im back to hopin for at least an oz per plant. If i can get over an oz from Corky, with all the shit i put her through, then expecting an oz per plant for all these premium strains aint too much to ask for. ESPECIALLY with the 600 watter goin for the whole grow -- i got that oz out of Corky using nothin but CFLs, except for the last 3 weeks where i was using the MH bulb - but still CFLs for the majority of the grow. 600 watts from start to finish should garuntee me good yields as long as i keep the other conditions optimal here man. Im all anxious now, lol - wantin to throw in the HPS bulb n get this thing goin -- cant wait to see some lil frosty tops forming on these bitches man. I feel like a kid in a candy store now

Damn King, gonna be good times for you! I'm interested to see how the smaller WW's do. Post some pics!

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

thanks Dankman, i appreciate the props

-Now check this shit out, lol. If this aint fuckin fate, i dont know what is man. Member a couple posts up when i was bitchin about only havin a couple weeks to veg my seeds out before i had to throw them into flower?? well my seeds came today, n check out the description for my WW seeds man:

White Widow is known for its resin coated buds, knock out stone and a lower yeild than average. Seedsman has developed this strain over the last 7 years and has succeeded to increase it to a medium yielding strain without losing its tremendous character. The plants can be put on 12/12 hrs after two weeks and they will stay short .



- Now THATS fuckin sayin somethin to me right there. I was gonna germ both RD and WW, but when i saw that, i put the Barneys Farm Breeders Pack away, n busted out Two Seedsman Seeds White Widow seeds, n am germin them shits right now man. If that shit goes the way they say itll go, then ill still be right on schedule with my grow - i wont have to lengthen veg time at all (i was gonna veg these plants for 6 weeks anyways), and the WW will stay around the same height as everything else will. Ima keep these bitches untopped too -- im sure one GIANT WW cola is a sight to behold man. Itll be cool as fuck holdin just one giant fuckin nug of some frosty ass widow in my hands.

N now im back to hopin for at least an oz per plant. If i can get over an oz from Corky, with all the shit i put her through, then expecting an oz per plant for all these premium strains aint too much to ask for. ESPECIALLY with the 600 watter goin for the whole grow -- i got that oz out of Corky using nothin but CFLs, except for the last 3 weeks where i was using the MH bulb - but still CFLs for the majority of the grow. 600 watts from start to finish should garuntee me good yields as long as i keep the other conditions optimal here man. Im all anxious now, lol - wantin to throw in the HPS bulb n get this thing goin -- cant wait to see some lil frosty tops forming on these bitches man. I feel like a kid in a candy store now

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sounds like a fuckin plan! cant wait to see pics ill be checking in often

no doubt man. Check back in like a week. Give them time to germ and sprout up. I figure ill start flowering 2 weeks from the first set of true leaves my WW plants get. Theyll probably take a week to get to that point, so i figure 3 weeks total until i throw my whole tent into flowering.

Fimmed? I still dont get it even if i go to the grow faq i need like a true visual looking good though im wild about indicas!!! But purple,pink and blue ones melt my heart

lol, it took me a while to understand that shit too man, but i guess its like this:

U know all those new growth tufts, where all the new leaves and branches grow out of?? well, i guess what fimming is, is just cutting that whole tuft off, leaving just a tiny bit on the branch so it can regenerate. Apparently it works just like topping, two growths will come out in its place. Some people prefer to do this instead of topping, N i dont really know why if it does the same thing, lol. I would think that doin BOTH would be the most beneficial -- Topping the plant twice, so you have 4 main colas, n then fimming each main top once, so it turns into 8 main budsites. This is all contingient upon me being correct about what fimming is, but if i am, THAT sounds like a pretty fuckin good idea, lol.

Well King you are correct about the process. Its the outcome thats differant. With topping you will get 2 new growth points from where you cut. With fimming, it is typical to get multiple growth points. I believe you can get up to or qpwards of 7 new growths from one FIM cut. FIM just stands for FUCK I MISSED, a guy was trying to top his plant and I guess didn't cut the whole top off. Then when he got many tops to replace it, he thought shit that was a good idea. Fimming is what I'm gonna tr to do get as many tops to fill my screens as possible.

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

cant wait to see some lil frosty tops forming on these bitches man. I feel like a kid in a candy store now

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Frosty Tops Yumm

damn 420 just damn.

was good K1

Thank You Thundercat for that little morsel of information *cue inspirational "we learned something today" music*


n 420 you lil sumbeech, i love seein shit like that man, thanks for brightenin up my mornin . Always nice to see some great progress goin on man, especially in the mornin when im inspectin all my own shit - nice to know someone else is having new growth goin on too, lol.


Lemme ask, Just how much does topping effect Height? The reason im askin is because i dont wanna have another runt plant like Corky. i wanna have some plants that are fuckin 3-4 ft tall when theyre done, and just look like some beasts. But does topping effect the height of the plant HARDCORE, or will the topped branches still grow like the main stem would have, if you give it enough time?? Ive already topped my BC#1 twice, and all the other ones are getting a little stay of execution, until they grow out a couple more nodes-- n then im toppin the shit out of them, lol. But yeah, like i said, it wont effect the overall height of the plants TOO TOO bad, will it??

hey king ... if you want to get that plant 3-4 ft tall quickly
dont cut it... from what im seeing with mine it has slowed the verticle growth from the top HARDCORE, but all of my side braches grow faster .. this is what i wanted

well i didnt top any of mine this time around. i figured i got 6 feet of height to work with and only 3 feet wide so i just let them grow straight up and the two biggest ones are over 4 feet now... the last plant i had was topped like 4 times and it was only like 3 feet, that one vegged a lot longer too...

well, im kinda thinkin that 3 feet tall aint too shabby heightwise. Im vegging for 6 weeks altogether like i said before, so if i can get 3 feet of height and a shitload of bushiness to each plant, im happy as fuck. Any taller than that n i think i would have room issues with the plants to be honest. Besides, my last grow the plants were 9-11 inches tall man, 3 feet is a nice big ole step up in the game for me ill be plenty happy with that shit. Ive topped bluecheesey #1 twice, n all the rest of them just the once, so ill probably top the rest of them one more time , n then leave them all with 4 main colas. Last time around i think i topped like 3-4 times, so havin some bigger nuggets on my branches will be fun to see.


N Wuddup mane man, i missed your post earlier bro, sorry about that shit, lol. Nothins up with me man, just finally got everything goin the way that i need it to -- no more tweeking shit out, no more fixing or adjusting to be done. Just feed n watch it grow. Im in the pocket now man, i can sit back drink a fuckin heini n relaxxxxx

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

n 420 you lil sumbeech, i love seein shit like that man, thanks for brightenin up my mornin .

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NP glad I could help.

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

Lemme ask, Just how much does topping effect Height? The reason im askin is because i dont wanna have another runt plant like Corky. i wanna have some plants that are fuckin 3-4 ft tall when theyre done, and just look like some beasts. But does topping effect the height of the plant HARDCORE, or will the topped branches still grow like the main stem would have, if you give it enough time?? Ive already topped my BC#1 twice, and all the other ones are getting a little stay of execution, until they grow out a couple more nodes-- n then im toppin the shit out of them, lol. But yeah, like i said, it wont effect the overall height of the plants TOO TOO bad, will it??

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OK this topic is one of the ones that is very variable so let me just give you a little bit of my wisdom.

First thing to remember is there are a few things that if changed will change the overall process - Light, Nutrients, Strain.

Second to remember is the FIRST time you grow in YOUR environment you really have NO idea how any given plant going to turn out, so roll with it and see how it goes making notes along the way as to things that can be improved. I am on gen 6 with my PK but this is also my FIRST batch with 1000W, Hydro, Topping, and Scrog so when I started them I had no Idea what the outcome would be. Without taking up a page lets just say my notes have been taken and changes are in order.

Third keep trying new things. This ones almost a given but here me out. The second time even if better wont be the best. It took me 5 generations before I had a set way to grow these PK in soil, and now guess what its all to the wind now. So I start learning again.

So onto the green question.
So heres the problem with toooo many tops. I had never bothered toping with my previous grows due to lack of need but every once in a while I would get the rouge second branch and just let it go. With this set I toped only once but with 6 or 7 nodes per plant and if you check my tray pics out you can see the delima it creates. The Delima; is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to make all the nodes grow at the same rate.


Shit gotta go That should be enough for 20 questions so lets here them.

lol, i hear what your sayin, and i know its gonna take several times around before i can be like "your not gonna find this shit anywhere else in the city" and have it be true, lol. So i know finetuning is in order, and great minds think alike, i keep a written grow journal n write in that bitch either every other day, or if shits slow, every week depending on the changes going on in the grow.

As far as plant height and topping go, I topped each plant twice, and like i said, am leaving the WW alone. Not just for the one cola, but more like a control part to my experiment. As for the branches not growing uniformly, i expect that, cuz my last grow was NOTHING even close to uniform, lol, so basically if the bottom branches arent growin at the same rate as the tops, theyre gonna get clipped. I figure by a month into flower im gonna have so much green in there that light aint gonna be able to penetrate too far down the stems, so the branches that arent producing are gonna get chopped, unless they have a decent lil nug on them, then ill just let it grow n use it for a tester nug

I think that twice topped for each plant, wether its an indica dom or sativa plant, will give me a nice medium when it comes to height. Rather than having a 4-5 foot tall plant that i cant manage because of the space, a 3 ft plant would fit nicely, depending on how bushy they get, lol, remember im only growin in a 2x4x5 space here with 8 plants, lol. I hope my plants dont outgrow my tent man, that would fuck me up on a serious level, n i never thought about that shit til right now. I guess thats why i have the upper growbox, if i needed to i could just tie some branches down n shorten it by a foot, n throw her up there to finish up if need be.

do you guys think ill be ok with the space alotted?? i mean even without the growbox up top, do you think ill be ok spacewise here?? i know its gonna be cramped, cuz its cramped right now with the fan n the humidifier n all the growbags in there, but it does fit, with a little bit of breathing room - do you think ill run in to some problems, or is it something that MINIMAL pruning could take care of easily? From your own experiences as to how the plants grow out ( i guess average out all your grows and how the plants react), do you think ill be good? or should i just say fuck the frames parameters, and just line the whole closet with panda film n mylar?