Kali Mist and GSC SCROG Grow

So i just finished up with doing a single Dinafem Blue Hash (freebie from Attitude) scrog and had amazing results! I yielded almost 4.5 oz off a single slightly less than 2 ft. tall plant. I've sinced built a grow cabinet strictly for scrogging. Since I already had 5 Serious Seeds Kali Mist seeds leftover, and realizing how incredibly tall and rampant they grow, i figured doing a scrog with them would yield my best results.

This link is what inspired me to build my cabinet...

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/journals-progress/191436-kali-mist-cfl-scrog-grow-journal-05-19-13-a.html

The cab's dimensions are 48"(L) x 16"(D) x 48"(H). It was almost entirely constructed from 2x4's and 3/8" plywood. If anyone wants to know exact measurements and tools/supply list just message me, and i would be more than glad to give you them.

I'm currently growing 2 Kali Mist's in 2 gal. SuperRoot Pots in FoxFarm Ocean Forest soil. The GSC i had gotten from a friend that found a single seed in half pound of GSC that he had bought, so the genetics and sex are up in the air for the time being. It is too, being growing in a 2 gal. pot (standard pot) with Ocean Forest soil cut with 1/3 GrowStones. I have sinced purchased 5 Feminized Girl Scout Cookies seeds from Connoisseur Genetics. I plan to do a scrog with these seeds following this grow. The temperatures are at a constant 76 degrees, and the plants are just starting to really take off!

Any comments or suggestions feel free to share

GreenMeter said:

So i just finished up with doing a single Dinafem Blue Hash (freebie from Attitude) scrog and had amazing results! I yielded almost 4.5 oz off a single slightly less than 2 ft. tall plant.

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WOW! Fucking hell man that is more then amazing, that's insane. My plants going to be probably about 1 ft tall and if I get 1 oz off it from scrog then I'll be so pumped. Do you have a journal on that grow/care to share more info about it?

would be great to see more info on said grow.

Im subbed for the Kali Mist...you say?

I have been looking around for a breeding project to try out [mom/dad] and I have my eye on Kali Citral Goo from Cabin Fever. Kali is the Trinity, the real deal!

Hey guys, i apologize for the delay in response to my thread. Had a lot of things to deal with these past two weeks, including my computer's hard drive crashing on me, but i'm back in action now and plan to make regular updates for ya'll!

The plants are now on day 7 of flowering. Unfortunately, the super root pots that contain the Kali Mist plants came to a sudden halt, and the growth has been incredibly slow since they were about 5 in. in height. I've used the same feeding schedule routine on all my soil grows (Ocean Forest FoxFarm Soil and FoxFarm Trio Pack) with amazing success, but i wanted to try these pots out due to their super aeration, but have been disappointed so far in the results.

The plant on the left (GSC), which was given to me from a friend, is unknown genetics (a seed found in a quarter pound batch of Girl Scout Cookies), but luckily it turned out to be a female (found this out by the plant most likely being root bound and inducing flowering), and is growing absolutely rampantly. But regardless, there does seem to be slight nute deficiencies on all three plants. I'm currently feeding the GSC plant 3 tsp. FF Grow Big, 3 tblsp. FF Big Bloom and 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses during fertilizing (every two days), and just 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses per 1/gal. of dechlorinated tap water. For the Kali Mist, I've been fertilizing it with 3 tsp. FF Grow Big, and 2 tblsp. of FF Big Bloom and 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses. And for both plants for regular waterings, i do 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses per 1/gal. of dechlorinated tap water.

The thing i'm confused with, is why i have slow growth with my Kali Mist plants, which have slight nute deficiencies, such as dark green leaves, that curl slightly downward and are yellowing at the tips. The GSC plant has similar deficiencies, in that the lower foliage is yellowing/browning on the leaves, as well as having blotched brown spots on the middle leaf sets, with the newest shoots showing curling tips upwards. But otherwise, everything looks great, minus the Kali Mist plants in these new super roots pots (that i truly don't care for anymore lol).

I should also add that i introduced 2 homemade co2 contraptions to help with the bud production during thew flowering stage. Unfortunately i don't have a co2 meter to determine my ppm's, but the plants seemed to absolutely love it after i introduced it to the plants.

Temps have been a constant 86 degrees Fahrenheit during daytime (lights on), and 63 degrees Fahrenheit when the lights are off. I'm well aware of the temps being higher to better utilize the co2 when the lights are on, but i'm still stuck on these slight nute deficiencies and slow growth of the Kali Mist plants in the super roots pots.

Any help, or considerations would be greatly appreciated!

Just wanted to give you an example of similar differences I thought about. When you start with several different strains they are same but different also, sorta like fish in aquariums. They will all eat sometimes but what about the picky eater. Kids are the same way.
I thought that your plants were to far from the lights. Is the net fixed to the inside of the cabinet or can you remove it? You may want to think about splitting it in half and where it can be removable.
It looks like you aren't moving enough air inside your cabinet. Are you bringing air up from the bottom through those round grates? Get yourself an oscillating fan that will stir the air. Hope this may help you

GreenMeter said:

Hey guys, i apologize for the delay in response to my thread. Had a lot of things to deal with these past two weeks, including my computer's hard drive crashing on me, but i'm back in action now and plan to make regular updates for ya'll!

The plants are now on day 7 of flowering. Unfortunately, the super root pots that contain the Kali Mist plants came to a sudden halt, and the growth has been incredibly slow since they were about 5 in. in height. I've used the same feeding schedule routine on all my soil grows (Ocean Forest FoxFarm Soil and FoxFarm Trio Pack) with amazing success, but i wanted to try these pots out due to their super aeration, but have been disappointed so far in the results.

The plant on the left (GSC), which was given to me from a friend, is unknown genetics (a seed found in a quarter pound batch of Girl Scout Cookies), but luckily it turned out to be a female (found this out by the plant most likely being root bound and inducing flowering), and is growing absolutely rampantly. But regardless, there does seem to be slight nute deficiencies on all three plants. I'm currently feeding the GSC plant 3 tsp. FF Grow Big, 3 tblsp. FF Big Bloom and 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses during fertilizing (every two days), and just 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses per 1/gal. of dechlorinated tap water. For the Kali Mist, I've been fertilizing it with 3 tsp. FF Grow Big, and 2 tblsp. of FF Big Bloom and 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses. And for both plants for regular waterings, i do 1 tblsp. Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses per 1/gal. of dechlorinated tap water.

The thing i'm confused with, is why i have slow growth with my Kali Mist plants, which have slight nute deficiencies, such as dark green leaves, that curl slightly downward and are yellowing at the tips. The GSC plant has similar deficiencies, in that the lower foliage is yellowing/browning on the leaves, as well as having blotched brown spots on the middle leaf sets, with the newest shoots showing curling tips upwards. But otherwise, everything looks great, minus the Kali Mist plants in these new super roots pots (that i truly don't care for anymore lol).

I should also add that i introduced 2 homemade co2 contraptions to help with the bud production during thew flowering stage. Unfortunately i don't have a co2 meter to determine my ppm's, but the plants seemed to absolutely love it after i introduced it to the plants.

Temps have been a constant 86 degrees Fahrenheit during daytime (lights on), and 63 degrees Fahrenheit when the lights are off. I'm well aware of the temps being higher to better utilize the co2 when the lights are on, but i'm still stuck on these slight nute deficiencies and slow growth of the Kali Mist plants in the super roots pots.

Any help, or considerations would be greatly appreciated!

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No offense but you're feeding those Kali Mist plants like an asshole. Drop the bloom foods and go with light doses of a 'grow big' from start to finish. Keep it simple or your kalis are going to turn out like sh*t when in actuality it's truly connoisseur grade herb. She's not easy to grow and if you take the time to grow her correctly, she'll make you a better grower in the end.

Maxed out, I was originally made those round grates to hook up two pc fans to draw in fresh air, but didn't get around to finishing that before i started my grow. So instead i decided (since it's completely closed off) to introduce co2 to the mix to compensate for the lack of, or any co2 for that matter, that wasn't otherwise getting into the grow cab. My screen is unfortunately stationary, but i plant to make a removable for my next grow. I also, plan to to hook my light hangers back up to maximize the lumens in the given space i have, since it is an air cooled tube and all.

Homebrewer, I've laid off the notes for the time being until the plant shows some new growth. I've had the same feeding schedule with my other Kali Mist in 3 gal. regular pots with no problems/deficiencies from start to finish. I only assume that it could be due to the new super root pots I'm experimenting with, or possibly different phenotypes with this batch of seeds i have.

Thanks for the feedback guys! Any little bit helps me a great deal.

I'm starting my Connoisseur Genetics Girl Scout Cookies sometime later this week to get a jump start on training them for my next scrog grow after this one is finished.

The picture below is of my most recent Kali Mist grow i did for the first time about 6 months ago. Little did i know how ram,pant growth was, and how incredibly tall and branchy this strain gets. But now i know, hence the scrog I'm doing now lol.

GreenMeter said:

Homebrewer, I've laid off the notes for the time being until the plant shows some new growth. I've had the same feeding schedule with my other Kali Mist in 3 gal. regular pots with no problems/deficiencies from start to finish. I only assume that it could be due to the new super root pots I'm experimenting with, or possibly different phenotypes with this batch of seeds i have.

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To me those kalis look either VERY dry or TOTALLY waterlogged. Of course with a new container shape you're going to need to change your watering technique so just make sure they're on a schedule where they need watered every 2-3 days or so.

And again, those longer flowering sativas don't need a ton of food.

Good luck! I'm rooting for those kalis, she's my favorite strain.

Ok, so i've pretty much come to the conclusion that the GSC plant has a phosphorous deficiency due to hard water salts that prevent the plant from up-taking phosphorous. Also, I've been over fertilizing all three plants in general, along with not letting my tap water i use sit out for 48 hours (which I've always done in previous grows)

The super roots pots are hard to get on a steady water/feeding schedule due to the fact that they're super aerated, and in turn dry very quickly. The KM seems to have nitrogen toxicity, so for now I've been giving them plain tap water that has now sat out for 48 hours. So we'll see how that goes.

So for now, i plan to water the GSC with 1/2 strength full nutrient fertilizer until the browning edges start to subside and stop progressing upwards to the top of the branches/colas.

Below are pictures of the plants thus far, and pictures showing the deficiencies on both plants (GSC-Left, KM-Right)

Correction- Top 5 pics are GSC and bottom 4 are KM

Just a heads up, a phosphorus deficiency really doesn't exist. I mean it does, but your plant foods are supplying plenty. If your tap water is causing an issue, move to distilled or RO water. Those plants don't look bad at all though.

I forgot to mention too that the temps at night time have been considerably lower this past week (60 degrees), whereas before it was a constant 70. I've placed a heater in the room to bring up the temps during the night time, since we had a sporadic cold front hit our area just recently.

GreenMeter said:

I forgot to mention too that the temps at night time have been considerably lower this past week (60 degrees), whereas before it was a constant 70. I've placed a heater in the room to bring up the temps during the night time, since we had a sporadic cold front hit our area just recently.

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I read somewhere that a drop in the temp is not a bad thing, in the bloom cycle. It would cause the plant to pull more food for protect, IE, to the buds. I have had to deal with the temp issue this week also. 2 autos in the box @ 6wks. Good luck