True , maybe one day when i grow up i can be as smart as u are Sir.
Keep leaves or cut leaves?
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mysunnyboy
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did you know it's good to piss on your plants
missnu
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Sweet Jesus...the only good thing about trimming off the really large, and only the largest fan leaves, is that it does decrease the stretch period during flowering. But only because the plant is focusing on trying to grow more leaves...I can see that removing larger leaves one time 2 or 3 weeks before the start of flowering can be advantageous in this way to him...but he is outdoors and I am in...so there is no reason for me to remove anything at anytime...because I know how high they are going to get because I keep bending, cutting, twisting and staking all the branches to be exactly how I want them before I start flowering...I have no reason to take anything off or worry about stretching...I can account for it with pretty good accuracy...I have a max of 3.5 feet--max...so I never flower anything over 18 in high...I might veg a plant for 6 weeks and it would have been 4 ft tall except I kept bending everything down and down and down...so stretch is very controlled...he lets his just go...so I can imagine that a large stretch could be a not so good thing...but other than that all this is just ludicrous! Just insanity...Leaves don't shade anything..they are like bulk heads...this one takes the light and makes food and what not and sends it back into the plant at the node it is attached to...that node takes what it needs to do what it is doing there, and then sends the rest back on the out shoot, where each node thereafter gets some energy from the nodes above, and also from whatever leaves are still lower down the plant getting light...So those large fan leaves are just grabbing more light and then redistributing it's energy throughout the plant...They can't block the sun..they absorb it's energy and then send on what they don't need..to the next one and the next one and the next one...which is why all your little growth is well little...it doesn't get it's own light and is dependent on the larger fan leaves up top...so by removing the little under branches you help the plant...but removing the leaves doesn't help develop the buds...I mean some people say it does...but a lot of people do pee on their plants and think that is right... Or give them huge amounts of food and think that is right..or overwater and think they are doing right, til they learn different...different strokes for different folks.
LMFAO Im there dudedid you know it's good to piss on your plants
hotrodharley
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Nice buds but can't help notice that your plant is the same height trimmed as when in veg. Clue maybe?Afghan Kush Ryder
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The Yorkshireman
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Erm..*cough,cough......I did.
TicKle
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can you re-write that please, but add a little common sense, and a little less mumbo-jumbo, Thanks in advance Sir.
mysunnyboy
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LMFAO Im there dude
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damn my bad , i just read that , good posting. And i thought this Tip top toker person was all about u need ur fan leafs to keep ur plant alive because of some strange thing called photosynthesis , and i believed him , i even wanted to be like him when i grow up , not anymore , i take it all back Tip Top Toker.
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The Yorkshireman
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And if you would like to read a source report extract from 1933 conducted by The Laboratories of Biological Sciences @ California Institute of Technology.
http://www.pnas.org/content/19/7/714.full.pdf+html
That report was written by the Phd who first isolated and determined the structure of Auxin back in the 30's, Prof Kenneth V. Thiamann.
If you would like to study his book on Phytohormones from 1937.
http://archive.org/stream/phytohormones00went#page/n5/mode/2up
Sorry Sir, Im not as educated as you are so its not possible ,
The Yorkshireman
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Why? He's perfectly right.And i thought this Tip top toker person was all about u need ur fan leafs to keep ur plant alive because of some strange thing called photosynthesis , and i believed him , i even wanted to be like him when i grow up , not anymore , i take it all back Tip Top Toker.
"Photosynthesis (
Without fan leaves photosynthesis slows right down (and can actually stop),without photosynthesis the plant can't produce auxins,without auxins the plant can't make big buds.
Simple logic there,no science needed.
TicKle
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I'd kinda guessed that already, maybe when you hit puberty you will be able to provide a little substance to your argument, instead of just spouting crap.Sorry Sir, Im not as educated as you are so its not possible ,
Puberty whats that one ? when u go to a Pub on Liberty St?
TicKle
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you really shouldent try too hard to be funny, I reckon you already making enough of a fool of yourself with the riff raff, chill ya beans mate, the reason i grow my own is to avoid buying shit off the street's that is grown by the likes of you, bunch of noobz.
And thank you for being the only one here with good and respectful answers , everybody else here is very judgmental and gives u a answer with a smart ass comment attached and loves to talk shit towards people because in real life they would get their asses beat down , so they turn to the internet forums , pretty pathetic.Why? He's perfectly right.
"Photosynthesis (/foʊtoʊˈsɪnθəsɪs/; from the Greek φώτο- [photo-], "light," and σύνθεσις [synthesis], "putting together", "composition") is a process used by plants and other organisms to convert the light energy captured from the sun into chemical energy that can be used to fuel the organism's activities."
Without fan leaves photosynthesis slows right down (and can actually stop),without photosynthesis the plant can't produce auxins,without auxins the plant can't make big buds.
Simple logic there,no science needed.
Wish there was more people like u answering these questions on the forum .
sheik yerbouti
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Had to register so I could chime in on this debate. First of all I read a lot of people spouting facts about photosynthesis saying how its OBVIOUSLY the easiest and most basic fact about growing therefor it has to be the only way yet not many people have actually tried growing with removing fan leaves.
First thing about this argument that matters the most - GROWING STYLE MATTERS!
if your growing outdoors with excessive amounts of space and light then removing fan leaves will not be as necessary. If your growing 1 plant in a spacious room removing fan leaves will not be as necessary.
However: For me I have tried both ways (6000w - 300 plants 2.5 weeks veg 1.5g per watt on average) I HAVE to remove fan leaves and the difference is insurmountably noticeable. When the fan leaves are on the lower buds stay fluffy and don't get dense. The colas are nice but the same as when removing fan leaves. The plants stretch out competing for more light creating longer internodes and smaller buds. Air does not travel in between the plants and I did get some bud rot. I wanted desperately to believe that leaving fan leaves would be better because its a LOT less work and I'm lazy. It made sense that more leaves equals more photosynthesis equals more bud, however it just didn't work that way.
FACT is that for MY style of growing removing fan leaves creates a larger yield and tighter nicer more compact buds. I know multiple large grow shows (50 lights ect.) and they all remove fan leaves in one way or another, whether its the old dying ones or completely removing all of them. You can produce all sorts of "facts" off the internet or whatever you learned in high school biology but until you've tried both ways you can't say one way or the other is better. So try both way for your style and see what happens is the best advice you can get. A shit tonne of professional growers remove fan leaves so its not going to hurt to try.
First thing about this argument that matters the most - GROWING STYLE MATTERS!
if your growing outdoors with excessive amounts of space and light then removing fan leaves will not be as necessary. If your growing 1 plant in a spacious room removing fan leaves will not be as necessary.
However: For me I have tried both ways (6000w - 300 plants 2.5 weeks veg 1.5g per watt on average) I HAVE to remove fan leaves and the difference is insurmountably noticeable. When the fan leaves are on the lower buds stay fluffy and don't get dense. The colas are nice but the same as when removing fan leaves. The plants stretch out competing for more light creating longer internodes and smaller buds. Air does not travel in between the plants and I did get some bud rot. I wanted desperately to believe that leaving fan leaves would be better because its a LOT less work and I'm lazy. It made sense that more leaves equals more photosynthesis equals more bud, however it just didn't work that way.
FACT is that for MY style of growing removing fan leaves creates a larger yield and tighter nicer more compact buds. I know multiple large grow shows (50 lights ect.) and they all remove fan leaves in one way or another, whether its the old dying ones or completely removing all of them. You can produce all sorts of "facts" off the internet or whatever you learned in high school biology but until you've tried both ways you can't say one way or the other is better. So try both way for your style and see what happens is the best advice you can get. A shit tonne of professional growers remove fan leaves so its not going to hurt to try.
TicKle
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I'm afraid that's exactly how it works, no matter what else you say, you hit the nail on the head there, I understand if you growing 300 in SOG under 1 light, then you gunna have space issues's, but like you said, that's your style, I prefer to offer my plants the space,light,food,TLC, they require, all gives for a better smoke at the end of the day.
Anyway, thankfully i dont need to smoke whatever you push out to the streets, I have my own, well looked after, cared for bud to smoke.
ManishWayz
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Thank you, I'm glad to see that my style of growing is not wrong. I really like the fact that there are people out here that have tried both ways and feel the same way I do about the fan leaves. I have a good understanding on how science works but just like in life science isn't always 100% truth or fact.
I like for my plants to get as much light as possible and figure that my nutrients will take care of the rest.