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Hey guys new here and new to growing have done my research and was just wondering for some tips on growing I'm going soil indoor with FFOF space is 4x2x6 was going to use viparspectrs LED was thinking a 900 or two 450s was going to you the fox farm nutes grow big big bloom and tiger bloom I also got some Hawaiian big bud and bloom from grow more was going to go light on the nutes to avoid to many issues with nutes was thinking of starting with northern lights sour diesel and either lithium og kush gorilla glue or girl scout cookies from Nirvana long story short that is the basics of my setup and was just looking for any kind of help maybe easier strains tips with nutes. growing like topping ect if I should just go with the 900 or two 450s thanks for your time
 

chris42393

Well-Known Member
Hello! Welcome to the RIU community! Sounds like you got some of the basics down for what you need. I suggest getting a PH meter to test your PH and to get some "ph up and ph down" to correct fluctuations. Had some problems first starting out myself, knowing PH is a MUST and so is correcting it. When giving nutes (this is my opinion) never give full strength starting off, start low like 1/4th to 1/2 strength so you dont burn your plants. I would also buy some Cal/Mag those are some of the main nutes as well. If this is your first grow i wouldnt do anything "advanced" like topping, but maybe doing LST. Im on my first grow as well and did it and im very happy i did! Im not a pro by any means, but these are just my suggestions/opinions. As for the lights, im not sure.. sorry lol im using a MH/HID. Good luck with your grow!
 
Hello! Welcome to the RIU community! Sounds like you got some of the basics down for what you need. I suggest getting a PH meter to test your PH and to get some "ph up and ph down" to correct fluctuations. Had some problems first starting out myself, knowing PH is a MUST and so is correcting it. When giving nutes (this is my opinion) never give full strength starting off, start low like 1/4th to 1/2 strength so you dont burn your plants. I would also buy some Cal/Mag those are some of the main nutes as well. If this is your first grow i wouldnt do anything "advanced" like topping, but maybe doing LST. Im on my first grow as well and did it and im very happy i did! Im not a pro by any means, but these are just my suggestions/opinions. As for the lights, im not sure.. sorry lol im using a MH/HID. Good luck with your grow!
Thank you for your input I'll be sure to get some pH up and down with some test strips good luck with your grow as well what strain are you starting with
 

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Not sure what price you can get those vipars for, here they are £109 each for the 450s, this would light up your 2x4 better, a lot better.
https://growerslights.com/products/horticulture-lighting-group-260-watt-quantum-board-led-kit?variant=42245771978

Be cheaper to run, easier to cool and produce more light than two of those 450s. For not much more money.

Its not old tech like those vipars. White light is better than blurple and they are much more efficient.

However if your stuck on those types of LED I would go for 2 x 450s over the 900, better light spread.
I would go check out any of the quantum board threads in the LED section before spending any money though.
:bigjoint:
 
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chris42393

Well-Known Member
Thank you for your input I'll be sure to get some pH up and down with some test strips good luck with your grow as well what strain are you starting with
My strain is called Delicious Candy (UK Cheese x Caramelo) by Delicious Seeds. 80/20 indica dominate.
 
Not sure what price you can get those vipars for, here they are £109 each for the 450s, this would light up your 2x4 better, a lot better.

Be cheaper to run, easier to cool and produce more light than two of those 450s. For not much more money.

Its not old tech like those vipars. White light is better than blurple and they are much more efficient.

However if your stuck on those types of LED I would go for 2 x 450s over the 900, better light spread.
I would go check out any of the quantum board threads n the LED section before spending any money though.
:bigjoint:
Thank you I will definitely read up on the quantum board LED later on today
 

Dabber68

Well-Known Member
Not sure what price you can get those vipars for, here they are £109 each for the 450s, this would light up your 2x4 better, a lot better.
https://growerslights.com/products/horticulture-lighting-group-260-watt-quantum-board-led-kit?variant=42245771978

Be cheaper to run, easier to cool and produce more light than two of those 450s. For not much more money.

Its not old tech like those vipars. White light is better than blurple and they are much more efficient.

However if your stuck on those types of LED I would go for 2 x 450s over the 900, better light spread.
I would go check out any of the quantum board threads in the LED section before spending any money though.
:bigjoint:
I like that link THX will ck it out some more
 

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Also coreywebster what are some of the differences between the quantum board LEDS compared to the blurple LEDS
Its white light, so your getting a fuller spectrum than you would mixing reds and blues.
The main difference is how many photons you get per watt of power used.
That allows us to use less power to create the same results or use the same power to create lots more light overall, which in turn penetrates deeper into the canopy, getting denser buds.

There are a couple of things that come up with blurple lights, especially cheap ones.
The first is the fact they call their lights things like viparspectra 450w, when its actually a 200w light, they mislead people with these tags and crazy sales pitches, although vipar are not the worst offenders in that market.
Also people often find that although they do veg really well they often fall short in flower, perhaps because of claims they can replace higher wattage HPS lights, so people think they have enough light to flower in a given area and soon find buds which are fluffy and lack density.
There is also the issue of build quality, using the cheapest components and driving them harder with cheap drivers can result in a higher fail rate, so folks have found they may have rows of diodes burnt out after only a month of use.
Although there are plenty of folks who have used them without such fails.

Another thing to consider is both Horticultural lighting group and growers lights.com both advertise on here and can be found in the LED section very quickly, customer service is great.
I myself use them and can name a bunch of other people who love them, but I cant think of anyone who wasn't a happy customer after completing a grow and seeing results.

I could say Gram per watt you should be impressed, but that comes down to growers experience too.
They also sell out very fast, which is a testament to how popular they have become in the recent past, that's why I linked you to growers lights, because the designers, horticultural lighting group are often sold out as fast as they restock.

More simply put the reason they are better is literally more light (within reason) is better than less light.

:bigjoint:
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Green light: Is it important for plant growth?
Green light is considered the least efficient wavelength in the visible spectrum for photosynthesis, but it is still useful in photosynthesis and regulates plant architecture.
Posted on February 6, 2014 by Heidi Wollaeger, Michigan State University Extension, and Erik Runkle, Michigan State University Extension, Department of Horticulture

Sometimes one may hear that plants don’t use green light for photosynthesis, they reflect it. However, this is only partly true. While most plants reflect more green than any other in the visible spectrum, a relatively small percentage of green light is transmitted through or reflected by the leaves. The majority of green light is useful in photosynthesis. The relative quantum efficiency curve (Photo 1) shows how efficiently plants use wavelengths between 300 and 800 nm. Green light is the least efficiently used color of light in the visible spectrum....

....Another potential advantage of green light is that it can penetrate a canopy better than other wavebands of light. It’s possible that with better canopy penetration, lower leaves will continue to photosynthesize, leading to less loss of the lower leaves.....

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/green_light_is_it_important_for_plant_growth

Just like all the nutrients are important, all the light is too.
 
Coreywebster
I looked at the link you posted a little bit when I had a chance it says it comes with two. Boards close to a thousand watt HPS these are still LEDs correct? My grow won't be that big 2 maybe 3 plants so I was trying to avoid any carbon filter set up and LEDS don't seem to have such heat problem as the HPS and I'm not worried about smell
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
https://www.maximumyield.com/giving-plants-the-green-light/2/1324

How a Plant Respond to Green Light
Green light either triggers specific processes in plant tissues, or serves as a check on the effects of light at either ends of the spectrum. Plants have sensitive light receptors known as phytochromes and cryptochromes.

Phytochromes detect light from the red end of the spectrum and cryptochromes detect light from the blue end. These sensors are not as efficient at responding to green light as they are at responding to light at the blue or red ends of the visible spectrum.


The phytochromes, however, are the primary mechanisms plants use to adjust and survive in lower levels of light. The green light receptors inform the plant of unfavorable lighting conditions so the plant can change accordingly.

Green light passes through plant tissue more efficiently than red or blue light. This means plants grown in dense shade, making use of the available green light, produce seeds and seedlings that are better adapted to growing in similar environments.

The germination rate decreases in low-light environments, but the seeds that do germinate are better suited to their surroundings.

A 2012 study (Zhan and Folta) using Arabidopsis thaliana found plants exposed to high amounts of green light during early development grew as if they were growing in shade.

This phenomenon continued when the plants were then exposed to blue and red lights.

How Young Plants Responde to Green Light
As seedlings produce their embryonic first leaves, they are not producing large amounts of chlorophyll. The available green light seemingly helps fill that void until the plants are able to photosynthesize more effectively on their own.

Green light is also important to help promote dense growth. As much of the available light is absorbed and used by the upper canopy, the leaves below need to adapt to make use of the green light that is filtered through.

What a Grower Needs to Know About Using Green Lights
Another benefit of green light is making working conditions better on the grower. Monochromatic light or even a combination of red and blue light can cause eye strain if growers work under those conditions for any appreciable amount of time.

A plant’s true colors may not be fully visible to the observer, potentially masking the ability to spot the early stages of nutrient deficiencies or the onset of pest or pathogen issues.

Supplemental green hand-held or plug-in lighting can sometimes be used to work with plants at night without disrupting the night cycle photoperiod.

Yields and Growth of Plants Exposed to Green Light
In the last several decades, various trials using different types of lighting aimed to determine which combination is best for growth and yields.

One study (Went, 1957; Klein et al., 1965) compared results when tomatoes were exposed to red and blue light versus white light containing red, blue and green wavelengths. The tomatoes exposed to the white light were actually somewhat inhibited as measured by the dry weight of the bio-mass of their seedlings.

This suggests green light impedes, to an extent, the ability of plants to reach the potential of plants exposed to just red and blue lights.

Similar studies were performed using near ultraviolet and green light to determine the effects on plant growth. Results as far back as the 1960s revealed that light in the green wavebands (510-585 nm) repressed the growth of a wide range of organisms, including algae, fungus, higher plants and even plant cell cultures (Klein, 1964; Klein et al., 1965).

Other studies found green light can greatly stimulate the flowering process in plants. Recent results suggest the heading of some plants can be increased by as much as 50% with green-yellow light at 540 nm (Kasajima et al., 2007).

A Michigan State University Extension study (Runkle and Wollaeger, 2014) found plants grown with 50% green and 50% red light were about 25% shorter than those grown under only red light, but about 50% taller than plants grown under more than 25% blue light, proving blue light suppressed extension growth more than green light in an enclosed environment.

Researchers determined using 25% green light could substitute for the same percentage of blue light without affecting fresh weight, but the electrical efficiency of green LEDs was much lower than blue LEDs.

Several NASA studies on the effects of using different amounts of green light also reveal similar results.

Trials done with lettuce showed that light with 5% green wavelengths had little impact on total mass, but that when green light levels were increased, it was not only a waste of energy, but it significantly hindered plant growth (Kim et al., 2004).

NASA wants astronauts to be able to grow some of their own food while in orbit and has been extensively researching hydroponics and lighting for plant growth.

Types of Green Light Bulbs for Growers
For growers thinking of adding green lights to their indoor crop production scheme, there are several ways to do so. Green lights are available in bulbs, tubes and LED configurations.

They are also available as T5 fluorescent tubes for those with standard ballasts. For those with traditional screw-in sockets, numerous manufacturers produce green bulbs emitting as low as 5 W.

For LEDs, green lights may be part of an array with red and blue lights, or may come as solid green. There are green LED lights that operate by battery, as well as those that plug into a standard wall outlet.

They can be configured into flashlights, work lights, wrist lights, head lamps and even embedded into hats and glasses.

Though not as ubiquitous as red or blue lights, green lights can be found in grower supply stores with just a little bit of searching. White grow lights can also contain a certain amount of green light in them for those who don’t want to commit to a full green light but want to try to add a bit to their set-up.

Though it appears that green light is an impediment to plant growth, it seems to be a check on other plant systems.

Nature is full of examples of these seemingly opposing purposes acting in concert to yield results that are best for organisms and their respective systems. Green light is not apparently useful for plant metabolism, but it does seem to play a role in plant form and composition, as well as being a catalyst for the better use of other types of lights when plants are grown in unfavorable conditions.

It also appears to be a natural growth regulator and could be used in instances where shorter, fuller crops are desired.

Plants that are more tolerant of shade, or actually thrive in it, are better suited to receive some amount of green light. This is useful for growers of houseplants such as Aspidistra and Philodendron.

What does this mean for the home grower? If all other systems are in good balance, green light may not be necessary. If systems are not in balance, however, the addition of green light may help your plants make better use of the light they are receiving.



Still want to use blurple?
 
How a Plant Respond to Green Light
Green light either triggers specific processes in plant tissues, or serves as a check on the effects of light at either ends of the spectrum. Plants have sensitive light receptors known as phytochromes and cryptochromes.

Phytochromes detect light from the red end of the spectrum and cryptochromes detect light from the blue end. These sensors are not as efficient at responding to green light as they are at responding to light at the blue or red ends of the visible spectrum.


The phytochromes, however, are the primary mechanisms plants use to adjust and survive in lower levels of light. The green light receptors inform the plant of unfavorable lighting conditions so the plant can change accordingly.

Green light passes through plant tissue more efficiently than red or blue light. This means plants grown in dense shade, making use of the available green light, produce seeds and seedlings that are better adapted to growing in similar environments.

The germination rate decreases in low-light environments, but the seeds that do germinate are better suited to their surroundings.

A 2012 study (Zhan and Folta) using Arabidopsis thaliana found plants exposed to high amounts of green light during early development grew as if they were growing in shade.

This phenomenon continued when the plants were then exposed to blue and red lights.

How Young Plants Responde to Green Light
As seedlings produce their embryonic first leaves, they are not producing large amounts of chlorophyll. The available green light seemingly helps fill that void until the plants are able to photosynthesize more effectively on their own.

Green light is also important to help promote dense growth. As much of the available light is absorbed and used by the upper canopy, the leaves below need to adapt to make use of the green light that is filtered through.

What a Grower Needs to Know About Using Green Lights
Another benefit of green light is making working conditions better on the grower. Monochromatic light or even a combination of red and blue light can cause eye strain if growers work under those conditions for any appreciable amount of time.

A plant’s true colors may not be fully visible to the observer, potentially masking the ability to spot the early stages of nutrient deficiencies or the onset of pest or pathogen issues.

Supplemental green hand-held or plug-in lighting can sometimes be used to work with plants at night without disrupting the night cycle photoperiod.

Yields and Growth of Plants Exposed to Green Light
In the last several decades, various trials using different types of lighting aimed to determine which combination is best for growth and yields.

One study (Went, 1957; Klein et al., 1965) compared results when tomatoes were exposed to red and blue light versus white light containing red, blue and green wavelengths. The tomatoes exposed to the white light were actually somewhat inhibited as measured by the dry weight of the bio-mass of their seedlings.

This suggests green light impedes, to an extent, the ability of plants to reach the potential of plants exposed to just red and blue lights.

Similar studies were performed using near ultraviolet and green light to determine the effects on plant growth. Results as far back as the 1960s revealed that light in the green wavebands (510-585 nm) repressed the growth of a wide range of organisms, including algae, fungus, higher plants and even plant cell cultures (Klein, 1964; Klein et al., 1965).

Other studies found green light can greatly stimulate the flowering process in plants. Recent results suggest the heading of some plants can be increased by as much as 50% with green-yellow light at 540 nm (Kasajima et al., 2007).

A Michigan State University Extension study (Runkle and Wollaeger, 2014) found plants grown with 50% green and 50% red light were about 25% shorter than those grown under only red light, but about 50% taller than plants grown under more than 25% blue light, proving blue light suppressed extension growth more than green light in an enclosed environment.

Researchers determined using 25% green light could substitute for the same percentage of blue light without affecting fresh weight, but the electrical efficiency of green LEDs was much lower than blue LEDs.

Several NASA studies on the effects of using different amounts of green light also reveal similar results.

Trials done with lettuce showed that light with 5% green wavelengths had little impact on total mass, but that when green light levels were increased, it was not only a waste of energy, but it significantly hindered plant growth (Kim et al., 2004).

NASA wants astronauts to be able to grow some of their own food while in orbit and has been extensively researching hydroponics and lighting for plant growth.

Types of Green Light Bulbs for Growers
For growers thinking of adding green lights to their indoor crop production scheme, there are several ways to do so. Green lights are available in bulbs, tubes and LED configurations.

They are also available as T5 fluorescent tubes for those with standard ballasts. For those with traditional screw-in sockets, numerous manufacturers produce green bulbs emitting as low as 5 W.

For LEDs, green lights may be part of an array with red and blue lights, or may come as solid green. There are green LED lights that operate by battery, as well as those that plug into a standard wall outlet.

They can be configured into flashlights, work lights, wrist lights, head lamps and even embedded into hats and glasses.

Though not as ubiquitous as red or blue lights, green lights can be found in grower supply stores with just a little bit of searching. White grow lights can also contain a certain amount of green light in them for those who don’t want to commit to a full green light but want to try to add a bit to their set-up.

Though it appears that green light is an impediment to plant growth, it seems to be a check on other plant systems.

Nature is full of examples of these seemingly opposing purposes acting in concert to yield results that are best for organisms and their respective systems. Green light is not apparently useful for plant metabolism, but it does seem to play a role in plant form and composition, as well as being a catalyst for the better use of other types of lights when plants are grown in unfavorable conditions.

It also appears to be a natural growth regulator and could be used in instances where shorter, fuller crops are desired.

Plants that are more tolerant of shade, or actually thrive in it, are better suited to receive some amount of green light. This is useful for growers of houseplants such as Aspidistra and Philodendron.

What does this mean for the home grower? If all other systems are in good balance, green light may not be necessary. If systems are not in balance, however, the addition of green light may help your plants make better use of the light they are receiving.



Still want to use blurple?
ANC thanks for the info so the quantum board with a white LED would use green light better then a burple LED
 

Dabber68

Well-Known Member
https://www.maximumyield.com/giving-plants-the-green-light/2/1324

How a Plant Respond to Green Light
Green light either triggers specific processes in plant tissues, or serves as a check on the effects of light at either ends of the spectrum. Plants have sensitive light receptors known as phytochromes and cryptochromes.

Phytochromes detect light from the red end of the spectrum and cryptochromes detect light from the blue end. These sensors are not as efficient at responding to green light as they are at responding to light at the blue or red ends of the visible spectrum.


The phytochromes, however, are the primary mechanisms plants use to adjust and survive in lower levels of light. The green light receptors inform the plant of unfavorable lighting conditions so the plant can change accordingly.

Green light passes through plant tissue more efficiently than red or blue light. This means plants grown in dense shade, making use of the available green light, produce seeds and seedlings that are better adapted to growing in similar environments.

The germination rate decreases in low-light environments, but the seeds that do germinate are better suited to their surroundings.

A 2012 study (Zhan and Folta) using Arabidopsis thaliana found plants exposed to high amounts of green light during early development grew as if they were growing in shade.

This phenomenon continued when the plants were then exposed to blue and red lights.

How Young Plants Responde to Green Light
As seedlings produce their embryonic first leaves, they are not producing large amounts of chlorophyll. The available green light seemingly helps fill that void until the plants are able to photosynthesize more effectively on their own.

Green light is also important to help promote dense growth. As much of the available light is absorbed and used by the upper canopy, the leaves below need to adapt to make use of the green light that is filtered through.

What a Grower Needs to Know About Using Green Lights
Another benefit of green light is making working conditions better on the grower. Monochromatic light or even a combination of red and blue light can cause eye strain if growers work under those conditions for any appreciable amount of time.

A plant’s true colors may not be fully visible to the observer, potentially masking the ability to spot the early stages of nutrient deficiencies or the onset of pest or pathogen issues.

Supplemental green hand-held or plug-in lighting can sometimes be used to work with plants at night without disrupting the night cycle photoperiod.

Yields and Growth of Plants Exposed to Green Light
In the last several decades, various trials using different types of lighting aimed to determine which combination is best for growth and yields.

One study (Went, 1957; Klein et al., 1965) compared results when tomatoes were exposed to red and blue light versus white light containing red, blue and green wavelengths. The tomatoes exposed to the white light were actually somewhat inhibited as measured by the dry weight of the bio-mass of their seedlings.

This suggests green light impedes, to an extent, the ability of plants to reach the potential of plants exposed to just red and blue lights.

Similar studies were performed using near ultraviolet and green light to determine the effects on plant growth. Results as far back as the 1960s revealed that light in the green wavebands (510-585 nm) repressed the growth of a wide range of organisms, including algae, fungus, higher plants and even plant cell cultures (Klein, 1964; Klein et al., 1965).

Other studies found green light can greatly stimulate the flowering process in plants. Recent results suggest the heading of some plants can be increased by as much as 50% with green-yellow light at 540 nm (Kasajima et al., 2007).

A Michigan State University Extension study (Runkle and Wollaeger, 2014) found plants grown with 50% green and 50% red light were about 25% shorter than those grown under only red light, but about 50% taller than plants grown under more than 25% blue light, proving blue light suppressed extension growth more than green light in an enclosed environment.

Researchers determined using 25% green light could substitute for the same percentage of blue light without affecting fresh weight, but the electrical efficiency of green LEDs was much lower than blue LEDs.

Several NASA studies on the effects of using different amounts of green light also reveal similar results.

Trials done with lettuce showed that light with 5% green wavelengths had little impact on total mass, but that when green light levels were increased, it was not only a waste of energy, but it significantly hindered plant growth (Kim et al., 2004).

NASA wants astronauts to be able to grow some of their own food while in orbit and has been extensively researching hydroponics and lighting for plant growth.

Types of Green Light Bulbs for Growers
For growers thinking of adding green lights to their indoor crop production scheme, there are several ways to do so. Green lights are available in bulbs, tubes and LED configurations.

They are also available as T5 fluorescent tubes for those with standard ballasts. For those with traditional screw-in sockets, numerous manufacturers produce green bulbs emitting as low as 5 W.

For LEDs, green lights may be part of an array with red and blue lights, or may come as solid green. There are green LED lights that operate by battery, as well as those that plug into a standard wall outlet.

They can be configured into flashlights, work lights, wrist lights, head lamps and even embedded into hats and glasses.

Though not as ubiquitous as red or blue lights, green lights can be found in grower supply stores with just a little bit of searching. White grow lights can also contain a certain amount of green light in them for those who don’t want to commit to a full green light but want to try to add a bit to their set-up.

Though it appears that green light is an impediment to plant growth, it seems to be a check on other plant systems.

Nature is full of examples of these seemingly opposing purposes acting in concert to yield results that are best for organisms and their respective systems. Green light is not apparently useful for plant metabolism, but it does seem to play a role in plant form and composition, as well as being a catalyst for the better use of other types of lights when plants are grown in unfavorable conditions.

It also appears to be a natural growth regulator and could be used in instances where shorter, fuller crops are desired.

Plants that are more tolerant of shade, or actually thrive in it, are better suited to receive some amount of green light. This is useful for growers of houseplants such as Aspidistra and Philodendron.

What does this mean for the home grower? If all other systems are in good balance, green light may not be necessary. If systems are not in balance, however, the addition of green light may help your plants make better use of the light they are receiving.



Still want to use blurple?
So can you get a green LED bulb and add it to your mix of lights? It could or couldn't help but wouldn't hurt to add
 
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